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Truman: Vacation Is Not All Play For President.
Clip: 351637_1_1
Year Shot: 1951 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1566
Original Film: 024-515-02
HD: N/A
Location: Key West, Florida
Timecode: 03:55:51 - 03:57:05

Truman: Vacation Is Not All Play For President. A vacation is not all play, as President Truman amply demonstrates during a busy day at the little White House. Mail arrives from Washington; there are many telephone and radio communications, and frequent meetings with his top advisors. Military man gets off plane carrying bags. Close shot of bag that says "The White House Official Business". High angle building with palm trees rising around it. A casually-dressed Harry S. Truman site at desk with a male stenographer at his side; man brings mail to him. Two women operators work busily at telephone switchboard. Various shots of yacht at dock. Truman sits outside with a group of white male advisors, also casually dressed, and looks over some papers with them. Propaganda, perhaps, showing that the U.S. government is on the alert even when on vacation.

News in Brief: French Jets Train.
Clip: 351638_1_1
Year Shot: 1951 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1566
Original Film: 024-515-03
HD: N/A
Location: France
Timecode: 03:51:41 - 03:52:22

News in Brief: French Jets Train. Flying British-built Vampire jets, French pilots take off for thrilling aerial maneuvers, part of their training for General Eisenhower's expanding NATO air arm. Shots of flame coming out of jet engine. Jet taxis. Jet flying just above ground level. Ground-to-air shot of many jets (32 of them, it looks like) flying overhead in formation. POV shot as if inside airplane as it goes partway through a roll. Air-to-air planes. Really nifty subjective POV shot from inside one cockpit, flying close behind another jet as it flies very close to the ground!

News in Brief: Colorado, Denver Plane Crash.
Clip: 351639_1_1
Year Shot: 1951 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1566
Original Film: 024-515-04
HD: N/A
Location: Denver, Colorado
Timecode: 03:52:22 - 03:52:45

News in Brief: Colorado, Denver Plane Crash. Eight crewmen are killed in flaming wreckage of big B-29 bomber which crashed into three houses in a Denver suburb. Only a miracle saved lives of persons trapped in their burning homes. Men carry away body on stretcher. VS destruction and wreckage caused by very serious plane crash, men in military uniform inspecting crash site.

July 20, 1995 - Part 3
Clip: 461039_1_1
Year Shot: 1995 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: Color
Tape Master: 10117
Original Film: 104715
HD: N/A
Location: Hart Senate Office Building
Timecode: -

(12:00:08) The CHAIRMAN. Yes , you will be. There is nothing that I am aware of that would preclude that. As a matter of fact, it may now be necessary since we will not receive the test-I mentioned it today at the opening along with Senator Sarbanes-to enter into the record the letter of request and the Special Counsel's reasons for the denial of our request. This was the second formal communication in addition Senator BOXER. I was here for that. I just wanted to make sure that that doesn't preclude us from asking questions to get verifica- tion. The CHAIRMAN. No, this Committee will not be precluded from asking questions and it might even require us to go further Senator BOXER. Oh, OK. The CHAIRMAN. We try to save that time. Senator SARBANES. Mr. Chairman, if the gentle lady will be glad to yield just for a moment. Senator BOXER. I'd be glad to, yes. Senator SARBANES. I would also like to make the observation that Senator Faircloth asked the question of Detective Rolla based, on the 302 report written by the FBI after their interview with Detective Rolla, that's what the question was about earlier. We asked the Independent Counsel for the 302 reports on Margaret Williams and Agent O'Neill and were denied those reports. Of course, again, I want to emphasize as I did at the outset that I think it would have been very helpful to us to have those 302 reports along with the results of the polygraph test which the Senator from California has just mentioned. Senator BOXER. Thank you very much. Then I'm going to pursue that line of questioning at the appropriate time. I'd like to ask you, Ms. Braun, as a matter of fact each of you to answer this. You were at the home, as you 've testified, the night 183 of the suicide. Was it your sense as you saw many people in the house, and you were there until 11:10, that there were meetings going on, that there was some kind of undertone or buzz going on about what to do about papers and documents, or would you say that this was a home where people were gathered because they had heard about this man who they cared about and wanted to pay their respects to the widow and perhaps console each other? Ms. BRAUN. I would have to say it was probably the latter. Senator BOYER. Mr. Rolla? Mr. ROLLA. I would say, obviously, they were close friends and they were there to console and heard news, and I don't have any idea who they talked to or what those conversations were about while they were on the phone. Certain people were on the phone the entire time they were there. Senator BOXER. I didn't ask you if they were on the phone. I asked you if you saw, as you looked around the room, groups meeting and people discussing business matters, meeting in private rooms out of your sight, perhaps, or where they were doing anything other than discussing their grief or talking about the suicide. Mr. ROLLA. People were meeting out of my earshot, talking on the phone and discussing things. I don't know what they were discussing. Senator BOXER. OK. So you can't answer the question of whether you thought it was-as Ms. Braun can. To you, you're not sure if it was more condolence calls or business meetings or meetings about papers? Mr. ROLLA. I think it's obvious there was condolence calls because-that was obvious, but it was also obvious-a businesslike atmosphere. Senator BOXER. Mr. Hines? Mr. HINES. I was not there that night, Senator. Senator BOXER. OK. It's now been 2 years-actually, I think it is tomorrow. Mr. ROLLA. Today. Senator BOXER. It is today-since Vince Foster's death. I would ask each of you to answer, i's there anything that has come to your attention, either professionally, personally, through reading the press in any way, that leads you to change your mind that this was anything but a suicide? Ms. Braun? Ms. BRAUN. No, Senator. Senator BOXER. Mr. Rolla? Mr. ROLLA. No. Senator BOXER. Mr. Hines? Mr. HINES. Nothing. Senator BOXER. I want to get back to the sealing of the office or the securing of the office or the locking of the office or the closing of the office and try to clarify in my mind what happened. I'm going to ask each of you to tell me if I'm incorrect. Ms. Braun, on your way out of the door, literally, you said to Mr. Watkins something to the effect of Vince Foster's office at the White House should be secure? Ms. BRAUN. Yes. Senator BOXER. You don't recall exactly what he said, but you think you remember him agreeing with you; is that correct? 184

Airplane Oddities
Clip: 461064_1_1
Year Shot:
Audio: No
Video: B/W
Tape Master:
Original Film: HSC 26
HD: N/A
Location: Various Outdoor Locations
Timecode: -

(On preview cassette #98723.) This is an amazing compliation reel of man's early attempts to fly. Produced by Pathe News, the first half is devoted to man-powered efforts while the second is in honor of the motor. There are many bizarre designs, countless large flapping contraptions, mostly in either tight or wide LS. The following are just a few of the shots within... LS of a man with strange wings strapped to his back standing on a bridge; he leaps off and flies straight down, gracefully, to the water below. Tight LS of a rocket fueled plane spurting glycerin fire for a while before shooting off and crashing down almost immediately (the first attempt at rocket mail, according to the MS of a mailbag bearing that title; they show another attempt with equally humorous results). The first attempt at a rocket pack: MS of a man's backside onto which a rocket is strapped; gets ignited, then explodes. The second attempt works for a moment or two but the man loses his balance (he's wearing ice skates on a frozen pond), slips and falls on his arse. Many, many motorized planes of every size, shape and variation. Many, many disturbing wrecks though still humorous in a snuff film way (don't worry, no one seems to die in any of the wrecks). (On preview cassette #98723.)

His Marriage Wow
Clip: 461065_1_1
Year Shot:
Audio: No
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 0
Original Film: HSC 27
HD: N/A
Location: N/A
Timecode: -

A Harry Langdon film, one of the classics of the silent comedy era.

Volcanic Death: 2,000 Feared Killed In Philippines Eruption.
Clip: 351644_1_1
Year Shot: 1951 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1566
Original Film: 024-516-01
HD: N/A
Location: Philippines
Timecode: 03:57:34 - 03:58:42

Volcanic Death: 2,000 Feared Killed In Philippines Eruption. First pictures of the violent eruption on the island of Camiguin, where famed 'Hibok-Hobok' exploded with a roar, sending a shower of fiery death down on villages nearby. Nearly 2,000 natives are feared dead, as rescue workers and medical teams fight to save known victims of the disaster. WS island with cloud over it. Flyover (aerial, with plane wing in view) of volcano. Residents evacuate calmly, piling many people onto vehicles. VS the lava's destruction (nothing looks too dramatic). People treat survivors who are burn victims in a hospital.

Christmas: Dreams Come True During This Season.
Clip: 351645_1_1
Year Shot: 1951 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1566
Original Film: 024-516-02
HD: N/A
Location: North America; Toyland; Dreamland
Timecode: 04:02:45 - 04:04:14

Christmas: Dreams Come True During This Season. This is the time of year that children the world around dream of Christmas, and of Santa Claus with his harvest of toys. Universal Newsreel takes you 'round the world, for a colorful glimpse of the wonderful toys that the kids are dreaming about. 1950s winter/Christmas/holiday scenes: children play in the snow outside a home; snow falls on suburban houses; little boy in bed dreams of a stuffed toy dog, then all sorts of other items (toys are superimposed, whooshing by the tyke's head as he sleeps). VS toys in motion, possibly in store window. Young white children press their noses against display window. Bizarre - a Santa Claus sits at a sort of throne in the clouds (mixing the secular and religious versions of Christmas), making his list (and presumably checking it twice). Little child climbs the stairs to Santa's throne and shakes his hand.

July 20, 1995 - Part 3
Clip: 461040_1_1
Year Shot: 1995 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: Color
Tape Master: 10117
Original Film: 104715
HD: N/A
Location: Hart Senate Office Building
Timecode: -

(12:05:27) Ms. BRAUN. Yes, he definitely did not say no, I can't do that. Senator BOXER. OK. He did not say I can't do it. Did he say I'm going to do it this second? Ms. BRAUN. There was no timeframe discussed. Senator BOXER. OK. Mr. Rolla, you did not hear that conversa tion, but you were informed of it by Ms. Braun; is that correct? Mr. ROLLA. That's correct. Senator BOXER. OK. The fact is that the office was locked shortly after you made that request. I guess I'm confused about-- let me put it this way. Out of all the things you said to Mr. Watkins that night and of all the things you said to anyone that night regarding your professional responsibilities, what were the most important things you said that night, what were the most important questions you asked that night, what was your most important role that Ms. Braun? Ms. BRAUN. My role was to confirm that we had a suicide, and that's what I was attempting to do. Senator BOXER. Was your role to inform the widow that- Ms. BRAUN. That was part of it. Senator BOXER. -she was a widow? Was that important? Ms. BRAUN. Yes. Senator BOXER. So the most important thing for you to do was to come to the house, go eye to eye with the widow and her family, inform them of this and ask them questions which might give you some more light on the subject; is that correct? Ms. BRAUN. Yes. Senator BOXER. So the most important thing was not your saying to Mr. Watkins on the way out the door secure the office? Was that the most important thing? Ms. BRAUN. At that point I was doing a mental checklist of things that had been done and what still needed to be done, and that's where it fell, was on my way out the door, this is one area that we still need to check into that we need to do. Since Mr. Watkins had been developed as our liaison, that's why I covered it with him on my way out the door. Senator BOXER. OK. Was it the most important thing you did that night, making that comment to Mr. Watkins? Ms. BRAUN. No, I would say it was not. Senator BOXER. It was not the most important thing. You didn't write it in your report; is that correct? Ms. BRAUN. That's correct. Senator BOXER. Why is that? Ms. BRAUN. I had been up since 7 a.m. that morning and it did not come to me as I was sitting there at the PC putting together my report. Senator BOXER. Wait a minute. It did not come to you sitting at the PC that you had told Mr. Watkins to secure the office? Ms. BRAUN. That's correct, Senator BOXER. OK. That would certainly confirm the view that you didn't think it was the most important thing you did or said that night. Ms. BRAUN. Yes. Senator BOXER. Is it in your rules of procedure that in a situation like this anything other than the crime scene would be sealed? 185 Ms. BRAUN. No. Senator BOXER. I would yield the time to-let me ask one more question. senator SARBANES. There's no time left. senator BOXER. I want to get to the issue of-I'm going to yield to counsel in a minute. Senator SARBANES. There is no time left. Senator BOXER. There's no time left. I'm so sorry. I'll wait. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Bond. OPENING COMMENTS OF SENATOR CHRISTOPHER S. BOND Senator BOND. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Sergeant Braun, we've been going over and over this, but I want to try to make it clear that you do recall asking Mr. Watkins to seal the office? Ms. BRAUN. Yes, sir. Senator BOND. You have no doubt about that? Ms. BRAUN, No, sir. senator BOND. You indicated that he was to be the liaison with the White House. You interpreted that from-on what basis did you make that assumption? Ms. BRAUN. I made that assumption through the fact that we were contacted by our shift commander to contact Mr. Watkins, that he wanted to go do the notification with us, Since Mr. Watkins was a person that we had been dealing with and had brought with us to do the notification, I put him into that role as liaison. Senator BOND. You've used the term seal, close or secure the office. Is there any question in your mind that there is a different level of access permitted? In other words, I understood from your testimony that it didn't matter whether you said close, seal or secure the office. You did not want anybody going in there, rummaging through papers, removing papers or having access to the office; is that correct?

News in Brief: U. S. Fleet In Spain.
Clip: 351728_1_1
Year Shot: 1952 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1571
Original Film: 025-529-04
HD: N/A
Location: Valencia, Spain
Timecode: 03:41:30 - 03:42:09

News in Brief: U. S. Fleet In Spain. First visit by U. S. naval vessels since Franco came to power finds carrier 'Roosevelt' and other units of 6th Fleet getting warm welcome from hospitable Spanish, who visit various warships. Panning shot of deck full of fighter planes on aircraft carrier.

News in Brief: Mrs. FDR Visits France.
Clip: 351729_1_1
Year Shot: 1952 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1571
Original Film: 025-529-05
HD: N/A
Location: France
Timecode: 03:40:46 - 03:41:60

News in Brief: Mrs. FDR Visits France. Mrs. F. D. Roosevelt pays a sentimental visit to this French town near the Belgian border, home of ancestral home of the Delano branch of the Roosevelt family. Crowds watch Eleanor exit car, greet people. A bunch of French children wave small American flags. Indoors, presentation of large document to Mrs. Roosevelt (whose face unfortunately is a little overexposed). VS Eleanor Roosevelt arriving at large old home.

News in Brief: New York City, World's Costliest Dress.
Clip: 351730_1_1
Year Shot: 1952 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1571
Original Film: 025-529-06
HD: N/A
Location: New York, New York
Country: United States
Timecode: 03:42:09 - 03:42:55

News in Brief: New York City, World's Costliest Dress. A $100,000 gown covered with 100,000 pearls and weighing 30 pounds, is modeled by film actress Gloria Swanson, during special charity showing for the Damon Runyon Fund for Cancer Research. Gloria is escorted by two police officers. She shows her lavish dress to a small group of guests and shows her pearl jewelry to the camera. Gloria lifts the pearl-studded skirt of the dress, then flexes one arm, making clear that the bejeweled outfit is heavy to lift.

News in Brief: Kid Fashions In Denmark.
Clip: 351731_1_1
Year Shot: 1952 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: B/W
Tape Master: 1571
Original Film: 025-529-07
HD: N/A
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
Timecode: 03:42:55 - 03:43:45

News in Brief: Kid Fashions In Denmark. Cute Danish youngsters stage a colorful style showing, with the accent on youth. The tykes are all smiles as they strut their stylish stuff before delighted grownups. Runway fashion show. First some toddlers walk along, held in check with leashes (!). Then older kids model fashions including a dress, a raincoat, a cowboy outfit, and formal attire. For the finale the kids model sleepwear (nightgowns, pajamas, etc.) with some stuffed animals.

July 20, 1995 - Part 3
Clip: 461041_1_1
Year Shot: 1995 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: Color
Tape Master: 10117
Original Film: 104715
HD: N/A
Location: Hart Senate Office Building
Timecode: -

(12:10:33) Ms. BRAUN. That's correct. I wanted it left pretty much the way it was when Mr. Foster left. Senator BOND. It did not matter whether you were investigating a possible suicide, a possible murder or a possible conspiracy, You wanted to have that office kept as it was? Ms. BRAUN. Yes, sir. Senator BOND. You said in your testimony earlier that Mr. Watkins was getting off the telephone, Did he mention to you anything about to whom he had been speaking? Ms. BRAUN. No. Senator BOND. When you asked him to seal the office, was there any question in your mind that he did not know what that meant? Ms. BRAUN. No, he didn't ask me any questions regarding it. He just indicated that it would be done. Senator BOND. Did he indicate to you that he had just told his subordinate, in this case Patsy Thomasson, in fact, to go search that office? Ms. BRAUN. No. Senator BOND. He did not indicate in any way that this order was actually going to be violated before he could carry it out? Ms. BRAUN. No. 186 Senator BOND. Do you have any reason to mislead this Commit- tee or to make any statement about this matter that is not true? Ms. BRAUN. No, Sir. Senator BOND. This is part of your professional responsibility, to testify accurately to this information? Ms. BRAUN. Yes, sir. Senator BOND. Thank you, Mr, Chairman, The CHAIRMAN, Senator Murkowski. OPENING COMMENTS OF SENATOR FRANK H. MURKOWSKI Senator MURKOWSKI, Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I note that this is the second anniversary of Vincent Foster's death today, which I think is rather revealing that we should be here on that anniversary. I want to make that observation. My questions are directed toward Major Hines. Do you recall Captain Hume using the word stonewalling, quote unquote? Mr. HINES. At some time-I don't know if it was Captain Hume or not, but I believe it was. He used the word that he was stone- walled, That was his perception. Senator MURKOWSKI. Do you know when that was? Mr. HINES. No, Senator, I don't. Senator MURKOWSKI. Whether it was the morning of July 22, 1993, or do you recall? Mr. HINES. I don't know the exact time. Senator MURKOWSKI. On July 22, 1993, was there a sense developing at the Park Service relative to some problems with the inves- tigation and that someone at the Department of Interior should be contacted? Mr. HINES. Yes, Senator. On July 22, 1993 or the evening of July 21, 1993, there was a feeling, in our perception, that we were not getting the cooperation that we felt we should have. Senator MURKOWSKI. Was there a person identified at the De- partment of Interior that should be contacted by name? Mr. HINES- Yes. The chief and I decided we should contact Tom Collier. Senator MURKOWSKI. Why was Mr. Collier suggested? Mr. HINES. He was Chief of Staff, and we felt he was the person that might give us the assistance or advice we may need. That was the purpose for us contacting him, for assistance or advice. Senator MURKOWSKI, Was that Chief Hume you're referring to? Mr. HINES. No, that's Chief Langston. Senator MURKOWSKI. Was there anything that Hume said to you, like, relative to the documents, like you're not letting us see the documents? Was that something you recall? Mr. HINES. Yes, I recall that. Senator MURKOWSKI. Can you elaborate a little further? Mr. HINES. Captain Hume explained that when they went into the office, that they were not allowed to see any of the documents that the Chief of Staff handled all of the documents and deter- mined whether they would see them or whether they would be pri vate documents we would see later and would be released to the Foster family attorney. 187 Senator MURKOWSKI. Did you meet with Mr. Collier, along with Chief Langston, about July 22, 1993, the same day'? Mr. HINES. On July 22, 1993, in the late afternoon of July 22, 1993, we did meet for about 5 or 10 minutes, Senator MURKOWSKI. Do you recall the substance of that meet- ing? Mr. HINES. We gave him a heads-up that we proceed-that we had some problems, and he said keep him apprised. Senator MURKOWSKI. When you say you're having some problems, would you elaborate? Mr. HINES. Elaborate. Just on the cooperation, and that we hadn't been in the office to examine the office at this time, and we told him a little bit about the scene, that we were fairly sure, preliminarily, that we thought it was a suicide. Senator MURKOWSKI. Did you tell him you had been unable to search the room?

July 20, 1995 - Part 3
Clip: 461042_1_1
Year Shot: 1995 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: Color
Tape Master: 10117
Original Film: 104715
HD: N/A
Location: Hart Senate Office Building
Timecode: -

(12:15:45) Mr. HINES. At the first meeting we had been unable to search the room, Senator MURKOWSKI. You told him that? Mr. HINES. Yes. Senator MURKOWSKI. What was his response? Mr. HINES, He said to keep him apprised of the situation and he would look into the matter. Senator MURKOWSKI, It was just a matter of fact; you made the statement, and he acknowledged that he would search Mr. HINES. He acknowledged. Senator MURKOWSKI. Did there come a time when you were advised that Hume and Markland were allowed to actually enter Vince Foster's office? Mr. HINES. Yes, they entered the office the next day. Senator MURKOWSKI. Were others there then, do you know? Mr. HINES. From their reports there were others. They initially didn't tell me the others. Senator MURKOWSKI. This was 2 days after Foster's death? Mr. HINES. Yes, it was. Senator MURKOWSKI, That was the first time the Park Service was in that office? Mr. HINES. Yes, Senator, that was the first time the Park Police were in the office. Senator MURKOWSKI. In spite of the direction by the Park Service to David Watkins to seal the office, and that direction was given by the Park Service Police, that direction clearly resulted in you, representing the Park Service Police, not getting in there for 2 days? Mr. HINES. Senator, when we say direction, when the U.S. Park Police, a Subunit in the Department of Interior-we requested, I think was the word we used to seal that office. I don't think we have 'authority to direct anyone in the White House to seal an office. Senator MURKOWSKI. Do you recall any reports from Hume and Markland with regard to their visit to Mr. Foster's office? Mr. HINES. I recall the report, yes. Senator MURKOWSKI. Can you elaborate? What do you recall? 188 Mr. HINES. I recall what I have previously said, that they did not see any documents at all, that Mr, Nussbaum controlled all of the examinations of the documents. Senator MURKOWSKI. I would assume "control" means Mr. Nussbaum, what, did he conduct the search in your opinion? Mr. HINES. He would look through a document, say this is either lawyer material or this is personal matters, and put them in little stacks. Senator MURKOWSKI. My last question. Mr. Hines, I believe you testified that you thought the Park Police would have found Mr. Foster's note if you had been allowed to search the office without interference; is that correct? Mr. HINES. I believe we would have found the note in the briefcase, yes. Senator MURKOWSKI. In fact-and I'm quoting from a conversation you had with Captain Hume which you related to us during your deposition. I quote: When I talked to Captain Hume in relation to this, I said we would have found the note because we would have been looking in the office and found his briefcase, and he said, 'Yeah, our oldest, blindest detective would have found the note,' which is true. If it had been in the briefcase the morning that we were in there and we would have looked into it, we would have found it. I see you agreed with his assessment. I assume you do today. Mr. HINES. Yes, Senator, had we looked into that briefcase, I'm confident that any one of our detectives would have found the note in the briefcase. Senator MURKOWSKI. Mr. Hines, you also stated in your deposition that the Chief of Staff of the Park Police received the note via the Justice Department 30 hours after the White House discovered it. When asked what you knew about the process of the note being turned over, you stated "they,"' I assume the White House, "had a lot of high-powered people to decide to release the note to the Park Police." Wasn't the Attorney General the one who ultimately told the White House to turn it over to the Park Police? Mr. HINES. From the reports I have read, that is my understanding. Senator MURKOWSKI. Having taken 30 hours to produce that note, would you consider that to be interference with your investigation? Mr. HINES. I would not call it interference. I think they were very cautious in their release of the note, though. Senator MURKOWSKI. I would refer to your deposition, but I'll conclude. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Senator. Senator SARBANES. Senator Bryan. OPENING COMMENTS OF SENATOR RICHARD H. BRYAN Senator BRYAN. Thank you very much, Senator Sarbanes. I'd like to make a preliminary observation and compliment each of you not only in terms of what you did on the evening in question and the events that followed that, but on your very professional demeanor, I think the American people watching your testimony can feel very proud that they have some very dedicated professionals who are called in under very difficult circumstances to make some decisions 189 and judgments about how to handle a tragic suicide of a high-ranking public official in the White House. Mr. HINES. Thank you, Senator.

July 20, 1995 - Part 3
Clip: 461043_1_1
Year Shot: 1995 (Actual Year)
Audio: Yes
Video: Color
Tape Master: 10117
Original Film: 104715
HD: N/A
Location: Hart Senate Office Building
Timecode: -

(12:20:44) Senator BRYAN. I'd like to get a little bit more of a feel from Sergeant Braun and Detective Rolla. When you went into the Foster home that evening, my understanding is the two sisters were there, Mrs. Foster and the daughter, Laura, I believe the name was, was there; am I correct? Ms. BRAUN. Yes, sir. Mr. ROLLA. Yes, sir. Senator BRYAN. I guess it never gets any easier relating some tragedy of this magnitude to a personal family member? Mr. ROLLA. No. Senator BRYAN, Tell me how, in your own mind, you were going to communicate this to the family. Mr. ROLLA. We thought about different ways to put it, but you think about it, but until you're in a situ ation--every situation ends up being different. So I just came up with the most matter of fact way to say it, by being sensitive but not leaving a question that her husband was dead. Senator BRYAN. I suppose the thought runs through your mind, I wish somebody else was on duty tonight, relaying this kind of information? Mr. ROLLA. Boy, I wish somebody else was on duty that night. Senator BRYAN. In more ways than one, I'm sure. Sergeant Braun, is that essentially your feeling, too, as you were traveling out to the Foster home? Ms. BRAUN. As a matter of fact, John and I discussed it on the way, Usually the direct approach is the best way and, basically, that's the approach that John used. It's not that we were trying to just dig out information. I mean, we were trying to be somewhat sensitive to the needs of the family, and that's why we had agreed to allow Mr. Watkins and his wife to go with us for the notification. But, in turn, we still had a job to do. Senator BRYAN. You had lots of thoughts, I'm sure, tumbling through your mind as you're traveling out there about what you're going to do and how you're going to handle it. I have a lot of empathy for you. I wouldn't want that kind of a job, quite frankly. _You indicated, Sergeant Braun, that there were many things that you were doing, priorities that you had. I think in response to Senator Boxer's question you indicated with respect to the request to seal the office, that that was not uppermost in your mind in terms of the kinds of things that you were doing. I believe the record reflects that as you were dictating your after-action report, that particular request was not included in your report, if I recall? Ms. BRAUN. That's correct. My report, basically, just dealt with what I did at the scene. It really did not go into what I did at the home. John's report indicated what went on with the notification, and I probably should have done a separate report myself, but I didn't feel like duplicating what was being done. Senator BRYAN. I don't offer that in any criticism at all, just to try to get, basically, your state of mind at the time, Pin also led to believe, from reading the background information that was provided, that at the time, 2 years ago, there really was not an inves- 190 tigative manual that the department had that outlined all of the things that one ought to do with respect to an investigation involv- IV_ ing suicide. Ms. BRAUN. That's correct. Senator BRYAN. And that after this event-obviously, we all benefit from the experience of hindsight-that, subsequent to this'. event, there was a manual prepared that, in part, included how one handles a suicide investigation. Am I correct on that? Ms. BRAUN. That's correct. Senator BRYAN. any of the three of you have the opporturuty to comment or make suggestions or to any way participate in the database, for lack of a better term, as to what ought to be included in that manual? Ms. BRAUN. One of our most senior detectives in the office Wrote the manual and, of course, after this event occurred, there was a. lot of discussion in the office. I'm sure that was all taken into consideration when the manual was written. Senator BRYAN. Am I correct in terms of sequencing, the manual, is published after the events of July 1993? Ms. BRAUN. Yes, it was. Just for a little more, background, the office contained a number of senior-still does contain a number of senior detectives with 20-plus years on, that could retire tomorrow" and they felt the need to get some of this information down because of the situation that John and I had, where we both were very new' into the office and were thrown into a situation. So that would allow other people to have a checklist to go through and make sure that everything was done the way it was supposed to be done.

Korea: U.N. Planes Hammer At Red Supply Lines.
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Korea: U.N. Planes Hammer At Red Supply Lines. With the truce negotiations bogging down, United Nations planes continue their relentless strafing of Communist positions behind the front lines. 'Mustangs' ride herd on the Reds. Just 400 yards behind the lines, new replacements celebrate mass before the ordeal of battle. Air to air shot of planes. Various aerial view from planes of explosives (?) hitting snowy landscapes. Some anti-aircraft fire is seen from the ground. Meanwhile, a priest leads troops (soldiers) in mass, kneeling in prayer. At least one of the soldiers might not be Catholic because he looks unsure of how to make the sign of the cross. Holy communion (Eucharist).

July 20, 1995 - Part 3
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(12:25:32) Senator BRYAN. By the way, I compliment the department on that, That makes a lot of sense. You have experience. Your people gain some insight into some things, and you make some changes, in updating your procedures, and your manual is updated. I think that makes a lot of sense. I note that, with respect to the manual as it relates to suicide,' there is an entry in there called "place of employment." Let me just !A read that for you because I think it bears out your own evaluation' in terms of the priorities, Sergeant Braun and Detective Rolla. It goes on to say, and I'm quoting: For a complete and comprehensive investigation, ion, an investigator shall visit the place of employment of the deceased. It may be necessary to interview friends and co-workers to determine unusual behavior or mood changes of the victim. When conducting interviews of the place of employment, the investigator shall organize the on-site activities with the supervisor at that location. While talking with the supervisor, a request shall be made to examine the victim's workplace. This should be done in a dignified, unobtrusive manner. I don't think any of us could quarrel with that, but I do note in looking at the manual prepared after the event, that at no place does it indicate that it ought to be sealed or locked anyway. Am I correct in reaching that conclusion, Sergeant? Ms. BRAUN. Yes, you are. Senator BRYAN. Which I think makes the point that you're making, that there are other priorities in conducting these kinds of investigations and, frankly, that wasn't one of the priorities you had. In terms of the kind of information that you were looking for, the office, I gather that you really were not interested in the work product of the office- that is what was occurring wit respect to re- 191 viewing prospective applicants for appointment to various positions in the Federal Government or any of the national security files or anything of that sort. You were looking for some kind of demonstrable evidence indicating that hey, there was a suicide note or something that would bear on the suicide investigation. Let me just ask the three of you if that's not a correct analysis? Ms. BRAUN. Yes, we were looking for personal information that would verify that Mr. Foster's state of mind was one to commit suicide. Mr. ROLLA. That's correct. Senator BRYAN. Major Hines? Mr. HINES. That's correct. Senator BRYAN. That's all the questions I have. I would yield back the time to counsel, if counsel wanted to-Mr. Ben-Veniste. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Thank you, sir. Just to follow up on the point which was made, the manual relating to suicide investigations was prepared principally by Detective Rayfield; is that correct? Ms. BRAUN. Yes, sir. Mr. ROLLA. It was circulated through the office afterwards for comments. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. It was circulated around? Mr. ROLLA. Yes, it was. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Detective Rayfield was a very experienced investigator who had the confidence of everyone in the office; is that correct? Mr. ROLLA. That's correct. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Could we put on the screen Exhibit 16 from the Park Police? A hard copy has been provided to each of you. That is, in fact, the manual which includes the collective experience and wisdom of your best investigators concerning what kind of procedures to be used under such circumstances, is that correct? Ms. BRAUN. Yes. Mr. BEN-VENISTE, As Senator Bryan has pointed out, what you do in connection with a normal situation in a workplace investigation is to secure the cooperation of the people who worked together with the decedent to try to find out whether they have seen any papers or can provide you with any information that would be helpful; is that right? Mr. ROLLA. That's correct. Ms. BRAUN. Yes. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. It has nothing to do with actually scaling a place of employment or locking it up or otherwise barring others from entering; correct? Mr. ROLLA, No, the manual does not. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. It does not. The distinction is obviously made between the scene of a death and a workplace investigation related to a suicide that occurs in a different location; is that correct? Mr. ROLLA. That's correct,

Personalities In The News
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Personalities In The News. Joe DiMaggio - N.Y. Yankees' great centerfielder retires from baseball after 13 seasons with the ball club. DiMaggio poses in front of large illustration of Yankee Stadium, with his baseball mitt (glove) outstretched. Joe shakes hands with three men including Casey Stengel. A group of newsreel cameramen and sound recordists work at the event. Dick Kazmaier, Princeton's All-American backfield ace, receives Heisman trophy, along with other awards for his gridiron prowess. The football star receives his award. Close shot of Heisman trophy. General Douglas MacArthur - the general receives Salvation Army citation for his devotion to duty and adherence to Christian principles. Macarthur, in civvies (suit and tie), receives his award in front of Salvation Army logo.

Air Disaster: Second Worst in U.S. History Takes 56 Lives.
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Location: Elizabeth, New Jersey
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Air Disaster: Second Worst in U.S. History Takes 56 Lives. The second worst air disaster in U. S. history takes the lives of fifty-six passengers and crew, when a C-46 non-scheduled airliner falls in flames shortly after take-off from Newark. The huge craft narrowly missed plummeting into congested city streets. Night. Various shots of the wreckage and rescue workers at the site. Removing a body. Day, more scenes of the twisted metal. Damage to nearby house.

News in Brief: Washington, Barkleys Back From Orient.
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News in Brief: Washington, Barkleys Back From Orient. Vice President Alben Barkley and his wife return home by air during blizzard, with hopes high for armistice in Korea. The 'veep' toured front lines to get his first-hand impressions of war. The Barkleys get off plane, walk into snowy weather. The VP speaks at press conference, says he feels optimistic about a truce despite what he says was haggling on the part of the other side.

News in Brief: Helicopter Gets Award
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News in Brief: Helicopter Gets Award President Truman presents Collier Aviation Award to civilian and military leaders responsible for development of the helicopter, which craft has done yeomen work in rescue operations in Korea. Posing for the camera at the presentation are President Harry S. Truman, Defense Secretary Robert Lovett, helicopter industry man Igor Sikorsky, and Vice Admiral Merlin O'Neill. Big trophy.

July 20, 1995 - Part 3
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(12:30:20) Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Finally, with respect to your experience in investigating suicides, Sergeant Braun, how many suicides had you investigated prior to July 20, 1993? Ms, BRAUN. I had done one prior. 192 Mr. BEN-VENISTE. One prior. In that case, I trust the workplace was not sealed? Ms. BRAUN. The workplace wasn't relevant. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. In your collective experience, including Major Hines', I trust there has been no example of a workplace being sealed or requested to be sealed where that workplace was not the scene of the death; is that correct? Mr. HINES. That's correct. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. You've talked to your colleagues at the Park Police, and that is a uniform conclusion, is it not? Mr. ROLLA. I believe so. Mr. HINES, Yes, it is. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. So, essentially, when you were going to the White House, you were looking for the cooperation of individuals, there to help you along with your investigation to look for the lim- ited types of materials that you've described here; correct? Mr. ROLLA. That's correct. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. The only thing about this request of the Counsel's Office to the White House was that this wasn't a normal workplace at all. It was filled with lawyer's files and, indeed, the files of the lawyer to the President of the United States; correct? Mr. ROLLA. That's correct. Mr. HINES. That's correct. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. You didn't expect or would have expected that you would be able to look through all of those files; is that correct? Ms. BRAUN. That's correct. Mr. ROLLA. That's correct. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. There's no way that you wanted to do that? Ms. BRAUN. No. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. I have nothing further. (12:32:15)(tape #10117 ends)

July 20, 1995 - Part 4
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(13:00:36) Senator MOSELEY-BRAUN. In any event, 30 minutes after you made that request, the office was locked. By the next morning at 10 a.m., there was a guard posted. By 11 a.m. the next day, the next morning, July 21, 1993, the day after, there was a locksmith brought in and the locks were changed. The Secret Service record has it? Yeah, yeah, so we can go through-these were not things you were party to. I'm not suggesting you were, but I'm trying to get to the sense of the timing of all of this. In hindsight, it seems like all of this was drawn out over a long period of time, but really what we're talking about were conversations that happened in a narrow window of time and that may have zipped by in ways that may not have been-that may not now seem to be all that evident. But the Secret Service record does show at 11:41 that the office was secured. Again, I said I was going to be brief, so I'm going to try to ask one other little question, and that's of you, Mr. Hines. In your report-I'm going to read a sentence to you that comes out of your report that was-this is a supplemental criminal incident report, a record that was done the day after. It doesn't say on here when it was written. It just says the day of the incident. In any event, what you said here was, "Originally, we had responded to the White House on Wednesday morning, July 21, to examine his office." This is yours; right? This says Investigator Hines." This could not be his. I don't know, based on what I see here. Is that Mr. Hines? Oh, it's Captain Hume. Mr. Hines, I take it back . This is not you. It's Captain Hume, so I guess I'll have to ask the question of him. I was going to ask the question what did he mean 203 by 44 originally, we responded to the White House on Wednesday morning," because it sounds like there were efforts made to try to lock things down. I don't have any further questions, except to say that based on everything I've heard, I have a sense that you guys did everything you could do under the circumstances at the time. With the benefit of hindsight, do you think at the time, based on your knowledge at the time, how you saw things when these things were going on, do you feel that you did what you thought was the right thing to do, the proper thing to do, the police personnel thing to do at the time that this incident occurred? Ms. BRAUN. Yes, we did what we had to do. Mr. ROLLA. Yes, I believe so. Mr. HINES. Yes. Senator MOSELEY-BRAUN. Thank you very much. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Sarbanes. Mr. ROLLA. Excuse me, Mr. Chairman. Can we take a 5-minute break? The CHAIRMAN, I believe we're very close to wrapping up, and I want to keep it going. If you wish to be excused for 5 minutes yourself, certainly, you may do so, and if anybody wants to ask you questions, we'll come back to you. OK? ( Mr. ROLLA. Thank you. Senator SARBANES. Senator Simon.

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