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Land turtles

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Alligator w/mouth open

Alligator & Crocodile (some on master #14)
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Alligator & Crocodile (some on master #14)

Anaconda snake in water
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Preview Cassette 210796 Anaconda snake in water, crawling up and down a small waterfall in a stream.

August 4, 1994 - Part 10
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(19:50:30) Mr. PODESTA, I think he thought that the record ought to be corrected on the point. Senator SHELBY, Didn't you get involved in this, sort of handling this crisis? Mr. PODESTA. Well Senator SHELBY. You were the point man, weren't you, at the White House? Mr. PODESTA. I understand he described me that way. Senator SHELBY. Sir? Mr. PODESTA. I understand he described me that way, but let me try to explain it. Senator SHELBY, I won't call you the point man. You were the man Mr. PODESTA. Mr. Eggleston who works in the Counsel's Office who works with Mr. Nussbaum contacted Mr. Nussbaum, I believe, over the weekend. We wanted to see a transcript. We got a transcript. I believe we got the transcript on Monday, and I wanted to confer with Mr. Nussbaum on the matter. He had been at the meeting on February 2nd, and he was the Counsel. I believe the Counsel's Office staff conferred on Monday, the 28th. I got back together with him on the Ist, and we went through this in some detail. We had a meeting that lasted a couple hours. Senator SHELBY. You had a meeting to go through the transcript. Mr. PODESTA. On March Ist, which was a Tuesday. Senator SHELBY. What was your feeling after going through the transcript? You knew there was a lot of damage done there, didn't you? Mr. PODESTA. I think we had 428 Senator SHELBY. A problem on your hand. Mr. PODESTA. A problem. Senator SHELBY. What did you do then? Mr. PODESTA. I called Mr. Altman. Senator SHELBY. And what did you say to him? Mr. PODESTA, 1 raised the three issues Senator SHELBY. Did you say you've got a big problem or what? Mr. PODESTA. Well, I don't want to be repetitive-I've testified to this in great detail, but I think there were three points. On one point, with regard to who was at the meeting, I thought there Was no problem after discussing it with Mr. Altman. On the second point, on recusal, I thought it was his decision, but that it was best to correct the record. On the third point, which was the meetings point, the fall meetings, as I said, I've described a rather truncated conversation, but I think I made it clear to him that we thought something needed to be done on that. Senator SHELBY. You said it was a real problem, not just on recusal but the failure to disclose the meeting Mr. PODESTA. At the time I thought, in fact, that was the more substantial problem. Senator SHELBY. And who else thought that besides Mr. Eggleston? I know you weren't acting alone down there? You had some good minds there. Mr. PODESTA. I think what I went back to Mr. Altman with was the consensus, at least at the meeting, although it's conceivable that different people kind of rank these things slightly differently. I don't know. Senator SHELBY. Were any of the other people at the table with you tonight, were they involved in trying to- Mr. PODESTA. Mr. Lindsey. Senator SHELBY. Correct it? Mr. Lindsey. Mr. Bruce Lindsey. What was Mr. Altman-what did he have to say when you told him there was a problem here and this had to be corrected? What did he say? What did he say to you? Mr. PODESTA. I described, on the first point, I think we both concluded that he didn't need to correct it. Senator SHELBY. Not what we concluded. What he said. Mr. PODESTA. I think he said that he thought the testimony was fair on who set up the meeting. Senator SHELBY. He felt the testimony was fair that he had given before the Banking Committee? He said that? Mr. PODESTA. On the single point of who set up the meeting. Senator SHELBY. OK. Mr. PODESTA. How the meeting was set up is probably a better way to put it. On recusal he said he was going to continue to consider it. It had been raised and that he would continue to look at that issue, that it was a topic that he would consider. On the meetings point Senator SHELBY. The meetings, that's right. Mr. PODESTA. On the fall meetings point, as I said, in my pre- vious testimony, I think that he didn't want to get into the details with me. I thought that was appropriate at the time. I still think it's appropriate. you? Senator SHELBY. Was he acting cavalier over, the phone to 429 Mr. PODESTA. No, he was not. Senator SHELBY. Was this face to face? Mr. PODESTA. No, it was over the phone. Senator SHELBY. How long was it from the time you talked with him until he wrote the first letter trying to supplement the record? Mr. PODESTA, It was the next day. Senator SHELBY, And then how many days until the next letter? Mr. PODESTA. I believe one day. Senator SHELBY. One day. Mr. PODESTA. One more day. Senator SHELBY. And what about the next day? Mr. PODESTA. The third letter was on the 11th, I think. Senator SHELBY. Was Mr. Altman dribbling this information out to the Committee to supplement his testimony as pressure mounted on him through the news media and through the White House, that you all knew he had not told the whole truth and nothing but the truth to this Banking Oversight Committee and the pressure was mounting on him so he was dribbling it out as the pressure demanded? Mr. PODESTA. I want to answer that in two parts. My impression in the phone conversation was that Mr. Altman on the meetings point and on recusal point thought he had done his best and had no knowledge of the meetings when he said that on the 24th. That was my impression.

August 4, 1994 - Part 10
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(19:55:25) With regard to how, then, he corrected the record and the taking of the four letters to address all those points, I think I've already said that I think that would have been better handled had it been done the next day in one letter and more specifically. Senator SHELBY. Mr. Podesta, it would have been better handled if he had told the whole accounting.of the situation candidly in the Banking hearing, would it not? Mr. PODESTA. It would certainly had been better if he had given a whole accounting. The only thing I'm quibbling with you about, Senator, is that I think my impression on March 1st was he thought that he had been candid on the 24th to the extent of his knowledge. Senator SHELBY. Does that-is that backed up by Mr. Steiner's diary when he said he gracefully ducked the question and did not refer to phone calls he had had and so forth? Mr. PODESTA, No. Senator SHELBY. In other words, what you're saying here, your impression of Mr. Altman, the way he felt Mr. PODESTA. Was just Senator SHELBY. It was contrary to Mr. Steiner's diary. Mr. PODESTA. My only conversation with Mr. Altman was a single phone conversation on March 1st, and that's just my best impression. The CHAIRMAN. You gave him a heads-up, among other things, did you not? Mr. PODESTA. I ran through those three issues. Senator SHELBY. But you realize that you all had a real problem at the White House? Mr. PODESTA. At least with regard to the fall meetings, and I think with recusal, We knew we had a problem. 430 Senator SHELBY. With regard to Mr. Altman's testimony. Thank you. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Senator Shelby. Senator D'Amato. Senator D'AMATO. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Ickes, do you have the depositions there you testified to? Mr. ICKES. I do. Senator D'AMATO. Would you turn to page 132. This refers towe're talking about the meeting of February 2nd and the question asked you is "what did Mr. Altman say about recusal?" Your answer: "The gist of what he said, and this came toward the very latter part of the meeting and was-I think the bulk of the meeting was taken up with his presentation and our questions and his answers and discussions about the investigation and its relationship to the statute of limitations." Is that true? Mr. ICKES. What? Senator DAMATO. Is that true? Mr. ICKES. As I testified, yes. Senator DAMATO. Now, a few minutes ago when you were answering Senator Domenici's questions, you testified that Altman had taken himself out of the decisionmaking chain; is that true? Mr. ICKES. That's the best of my recollection, Senator. Senator D'AMATO. Just a few. minutes ago Mr. ICKES. Could I just finish my answer, sir? Senator DAMATO. Certainly. Mr. ICKES. The best of my recollection, is during the course of that meeting, I recall him saying that he was going to abide by whatever or follow whatever recommendations were made by the staff attorneys. Senator D'AMATO. And he was taking himself out of the decisionmaking chain? Mr. ICKES. I don't know if I wanted to--I don't know if he used those exact words. That may be my interpretation, Senator, but I do recall him saying that he intended to abide by whatever recommendations would be made by the staff attorneys. Senator D'AMATO. Thank you. Would you continue reading page 132, go to line 8. Mr. ICKES. Where do you want me to pick up, sir? Senator D'AMATO. Line 8. Follow with me. Toward the latter part of the meeting, he brought up that he was considering recusing himself in connection with this matter and as recall, it was because he, as the acting chairman or the President, would ultimately have to determine whether or not to implement a recommendation, if any, made by the general counsel's office with respect to this investigation. Whether or not. Mr. ICKES. I don't think that's inconsistent with what I said, Senator DAmato. Senator D'AMATO. OK. That's fine. Mr. Stephanopoulos, I'm going to ask you, and this is important because it's your testimony under oath before Congress-is it your testimony now that you never suggested that Mr. Steiner or Mr. Altman find a way to fire or get rid of Mr. Stephens? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I don't remember anything like that at all, sir. 431 Senator DAMATO. That's not- Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I've testified to that 100 times. Senator DAMATO. Mr. Chairman, this is not responsive, and we have continued now on this line.

Pick-Up Football Game
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LS park with three guys passing a football back, hiking it, and kicking off. Good long shot of pickup game. Man kicks off several times

College Football Game, Unidentified
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WS college football game in progress, offense coming to the line. Several plays are shown (running). Referee calls a penalty and places the ball right on the other team's goal line

Tug of War
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MS men in tug-o-war contest, pulling fiercely at a rope

Runners on Your Marks
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LS track with four runners poised to start race (two boys and two girls -- high school age). Coach in track outfit is kneeing near them with starting gun, and they take off. Scene is shot in slight slow motion, and one girl drops behind, but the other keeps up with the boys out of frame 01:13:01 LS single man runner (college age) in blocks with another man beside him with starter pistol. Huge stadium behind them is deserted. Man takes off in slight slow motion, as previous shot, and runs out of frame

August 4, 1994 - Part 10
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(20:00:28) Let me put it this way, Mr. Stephanopoulos. We're talking about a pretty important matter. We're talking about a call that you admit that you were irritated about and, to be quite candid, I could understand that. I could understand the perspective that someone who is a partisan in the political arena and who can be suspect as it relates to his independence is now placed in a very sensitive position. I understand that. So I understand your feelings as it relates to that. But listen to the testimony as it relates to the diary of Josh Steiner. He says, and I'm paraphrasing, that these guys even wanted us to fire him, and I told George. I persuaded him that it's crazy, no. Now, I want to ask you, is it your testimony under oath, and I tell you there's no way you could forget this, one way or the otherexcuse me, in my opinion, in my opinion, this is not the kind of thing that someone could forget given the incredible publicity that followed within a relatively short period of time. Time magazine, stories following. We're not talking about an incident that took place or getting rid of somebody or not getting rid of somebody. We're not talking about nuances. The question is did you ask Mr. Steiner--or no--Mr. Altman to find a way to fire or get rid of Mr. Stephens? Yes or no. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Senator, what happened in that conversation is what I said in my testimony, what I've said hundreds of times, I will repeat it again Senator DAMATO. I don't want you to repeat Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I've answered your questions time and time again, Senator. Senator KERRY. Mr. Chairman, it is absolutely unfair for a U. S. Senator to cut off a witness simply because he doesn't like his answer. Senator D'AMATO. That's not the case, Senator. Senator KERRY. Yes, it is the case. Senator DAMATO. No, it's not. It is because the answer has been nonresponsive. Senator KERRY. I beg to differ with the Senator, politely with the Senator. Senator D'AMATO. Then I'm making the point that something that's so critical---- Senator KERRY. Mr. Chairman, I'm trying to make a point. Senator DAMATO. You're doing it on my time. Senator KERRY. Mr. Stephanopoulos-and we can go back to the record. On several occasions, Mr. Stephanopoulos has said in answer to the question-you said is it true or isn't it, did you or didn't you, with a huge buildup with all of the negatives, and he has said, Senator, I don't remember. That's his answer. Now, no matter how many ways you phrase it and no matter how bad you try to make it sound, he doesn't remember. And I think it's unfair when he says I don't remember to simply cut him off and rephrase all the negatives. 432 The CHAIRMAN. Well, what is your answer? Is Senator Kerry correct? Are you saying that you don't remember one way or the other and that's your testimony or can you give a direct answer? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. First of all, Senator, I think that is a di. rect answer. The CHAIRMAN. No, I mean an answer that goes beyond the fact, Is there any other answer you can give? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I can't speak to Mr. Steiner's diary. I don't know why he wrote what he wrote in his diary. I can testify to the conversation as I have, I asked him how Jay Stephens came to be hired. I was angry in that conversation. I concede that. Once he told me how Jay Stephens came to be hired by an independent never directed any. one at the Treasury Department or the RTC to interfere with this investigation in any way, and that a conclusion is corroborated by the Special Counsel Mr. Fiske and the Office of Government Ethics. The CHAIRMAN. May I ask you this? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Absolutely. The CHAIRMAN. Just so we can be clear and take some of the heat out of it for a moment and if you will permit me. Senator DAMATO. Certainly. The CHAIRMAN. Let's take the word "directive" out of the answer. Did you say to anybody that Stephens should be fired? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I said that Stephens had a terrible conflict of interest. I don't remember saying anything like that at all. The CHAIRMAN. So you have no memory whatsoever of saving board, that was the end of the conversation. I that he should be fired? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. No, I do not, sir. Senator DAMATO. Mr. Chairman, I hope my time The CHAIRMAN. Time is being restored right now. Senator D'AMATO. And I appreciate that. I'm going to make a statement on my time. I don't think it's conceivable given the history-and I'm not going to recount it-of the events, given the diary that has been presented, given the phone call that was made, given with some particularity the manner in which Steiner says, and he's talking about colleagues and friends of his-"George suggested to me we needed to find a way to get rid of him" and "persuaded George to fire him would be incredibly Stupid and improper," very precise

Christ on Cross Reenacted
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MS man carrying cross, reenacting the Crucifixion as part of his Roman Catholic faith. His face is covered by a white cloth, and small children and worshippers are following him as he walks slowly along. A tall figure in a white hat guides him, perhaps a missionary 01:07:18 front view of man on cross, in place, face still covered; blurry CU of man walking again 01:07:34 LS Christians on wall, man in cross climbing stairs 01:07:41 good MS old woman leaning on young boy, soft focus 01:07:46 MS two young women in dresses sitting on wall, looking at camera 01:07:52 MS young mentalking together, one smoking, reading tracts that the missionary hands out. Two young women on wall, and one moves shyly away from the camera, out of frame. Brief MS of missionary handing out religious pamphlets or tracts 01:08:10 LS people on busy street, picking up stones from large hole in road. This may be crude repair of bomb damage, or just people collecting the scrap from a construction project. Nice bus and 1950s trucks pass by, as well as bicycles 01:08:21 CU Asian woman reading out loud, soft focus

Boy Player & Bill Tilden
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LS boy on tennis court, serving and running to the net. Manufacturer's marking holes in film disrupt shot, , but we have an interesting pan to the side of the court, where in the distance old people are playing bocce ball and shuffleboard. Building in the distance has California look, Spanish revival, as if this is an expensive resort, or a tennis camp 01:15:49 (CSL 383-8) LS tennis great Bill Tilden with racket on court, preparing to take a serve backhand. Slow motion shot shows him hitting the ball back, first backhand, then forehand. Good strong shots indicate that even as an elderly man Tilden played with skill. 01:16:09 Tilden serves (shot at regular speed) and takes a forehand return

Co-ed seniors in annual hoop-roll!
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Same as catalog # 340399 Co-ed seniors in annual hoop-roll! Undergrads salute outgoing upper classmen, -- er -- classwomen. Large group pf people form "1931" on a lawn, then run towards the camera. Graduates running through the campus in cap & gown.

Inventors perfect new auto-boat!
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Same as catalog # 493455 Inventors perfect new auto-boat! Flivver furnishes motive power for odd marine device.

August 4, 1994 - Part 10
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(20:05:36) And now when we attempt to get from the witness an answer as to yes or no, did he suggest that Mr. Steiner or Mr. Altman find a way to fire or get rid of him, he says I have no recollection. That is an artful way. That's that artful dodging again, an artful dodge. This is my opinion, I understand it's a graceful dodge, but I don't think it's so graceful. I think the American people and others in this Committee really have an understanding of what's going on. This is an attempt to keep from answering a question that anyone, given the circumstances and the import of that whole situation, couldn't help but remember. And not to confuse matters, this Senator is absolutely convinced that the witness is involved, once again, in a graceful dodge that is not too graceful. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Senator MACK. Mr. Chairman 433 The CHAIRMAN. Just one moment. I've got both Senator Sarbanes asking to speak and Senator MACK. Mr. Chairman--- The CHAIRMAN. I'll come back in a minute but we're going to rotate here and I'll call on you as well. Senator MACK. I just wanted to make a point that there are a lot of us that are waiting here that have not participated. If we don't go back to trying to strictly stay to lie time, those of us who are being The CHAIRMAN. I couldn't agree with you more. Senator MACK. It seems to me if they want to raise that point, when it's their time they ought to raise it. Senator SARBANES. It is our time now. Senator DAmato's time just expired and the time comes to this side. Who is recognized on this Senator KERRY. Before the time comes to our side-[Laughter.] The CHAIRMAN. Just one moment, Senator KE RRY. Excuse me. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Kerry, just a moment please. Senator KERRY. I thought the witness deserved an opportunity to answer. After all Senator MACK. That was a statement. Senator D'AMATO. I didn't ask a question. I made a statement. I did not ask a question. I said this is my opinion. Senator SARBANES. Mr. Chairman, if I may make the point. The CHAIRMAN. Let me just indicate that the witnesses have been at the table for a long time. And they've asked to have a 10minute pause here so they can refresh themselves. I think that's a reasonable request. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. May I respond to the Senator. The CHAIRMAN. Once I finish. Senator Sarbanes, you've asked to be recognized but the witnesses have asked if they can have a break here. I want to accommodate that. I think it's reasonable. Senator SARBANES. I want to be-I just want to make the point that a response by a witness that "I do not remember," "I do not recall" is a direct answer to the question. Now, you may not accept that answer if you're the questioner. Others may accept that answer, others may find it creditable that the witness would not recall or would not remember. Senator D'AMATO. My colleague is correct. Senator SARBANES. And the fact that it's not the answer you're seeking I don't think makes it not a response to your question. Senator D'AMATO, Well, that's why I said I found it difficult. Senator SARBANES. Secondly, this line of questioning gives incredible credence to the Steiner diary which I must say to you I have some difficulty in doing. I mean, I think to some extent this is a work of art, so to speak. Senator MACK. But, Mr. Chairman, could I get some time and just- Senator SARBANES. I just want to register those two points with respect to the statements and the line of questioning that we just followed, but I don't--I mean, you may not accept the answer but it is an answer and it is a direct answer. 434 The CHAIRMAN. Well, I've got several Senators seeking recognition on both sides. I've got Senator Kerry, Senator Shelby, Senator Mack. Gentlemen, please. They've asked for a break at this point and I think they deserve one. We're not going to adjourn abruptly here. Everybody is going to have another chance, so whatever anyone wants to raise, they're going to have the opportunity to do so. Senator DOMENICI. On a lighter note, could I just tell you what"' 5 people outside are doing the pooling for television said to me a while ago? I've been joking with them that the longer we're here, the more money they make. And so I said, are you all pooling and" one of them said, I'm pooling for 4:00 a.m. The CHAIRMAN. Well, Committee stands in receMr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Chairman, may I simply respond? The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Stephanopoulos, Ill be happy to call on you when we come back. I don't think the question was presented to you and we'll start this whole thing all over again. Let's take a 10-minute recess. (20:10:27) [Recess.] (20:10:30) Commentary of hearing hosts DON BODE and NINA TOTENBERG from tv studio, they also talk to Senator PETE DOMENICI and Senator RICHARD SHELBY

August 4, 1994 - Part 10
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(20:30:17) Hearing resumes: Senator SARBANES we have yet another witness this evening if that-Mr. Nussbaum will be coming in. The CHAIRMAN. Yes. Senator SARBANES. And I want not to use my time in an effort to be able to move on, otherwise we're going to be here until 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning. I do think, though, at the outset that if he wishes, I should yield some to Mr. Stephanopoulos. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS, Thirty seconds, sir, just very briefly. Senator SARBANES. Whatever time you need. I know you were seeking before to say something. I think you ought to have that opportunity to do so. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Just very briefly for the record. I mean,. there was a lot made of the diaries, you did point out, but when Mr. Steiner was asked under oath about this exact same sentence, his reply under oath to this Committee was I don't recall him saying that, no, on the matters that Mr. D'Amato was questioning me about. That was all I need to say. I don't need to take up any more time. Senator SARBANES. That's a very important point. I'm glad you had the opportunity to put that into the record. Could I ask the Chairman, is it the intention that once we complete this panel, which I take it we hope will be in the not too distant future, we then will go to Mr. Nussbaum and we will stay with Mr. Nussbaum until we finish, in other words, however late that goes this evening? The CHAIRMAN. That's right and I've discussed that with Senator, D'Amato who has discussed that with his side of the aisle and that is our agreed-upon operating plan. When we finish with this panel, 435 we'll probably take a brief recess, or we may not, but in any event Mr. Nussbaum will come on and we will stay with him until we finish tonight. Senator SARBANES. Mr. Chairman, I won't use the balance of my time. I don't know if any colleague has a point they want to make at this point or whether they want to wait their turn with respect to the balance of my time. Senator DODD. Who's next? The CHAIRMAN. Senator Kerry was actually, I think, next in the order on our side, but Senator SARBANES. Do we go back to that side? The CHAIRMAN. We will go back to this side unless someone wants to use the balance of your time, Senator KERRY. Mr. Chairman, Id be happy to use the balance of the time, I'm just afraid I won't get through the point I want to make Senator SHELBY. Mr. Chairman, I wonder if the Senator from Maryland would give me 20 seconds of his time. Senator SARBANES. Certainly, certainly. Senator SHELBY. It was pointed out earlier before we had a break, the Senator from Maryland said something about the diaries, you know. They've been in vogue up here and in evidence and been talked about for all week and maybe before then. I think they are central as to what was going on regarding Roger Altman, regarding this whole thing, I think they're very important. They have a lot of probative value, a lot of probative value. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Senator Shelby. Senator SARBANES. Mr. Chairman, I made the point earlier, I don't know if Senator Shelby was here and I don't altogether agree with that. I mean, I don't know that the Senator SHELBY. My response was to your comment. Senator SARBANES. Oh, all right. I didn't realize you were here. I want to make it very clear. I mean, I'm not sure how much probative value the diaries ought to be given and I think there is a certain flair, freelance quality to these diaries, In fact, I wrote earlier that it-that, well, the author may be given to dramatizing, I think that might be a kind way, a kind way to put it. Mr. Chairman Senator SHELBY. I think the author was dramatizing trying to explain them and he didn't do it. Senator SARBANES, I'll yield back the balance of my time and let you go back to the other side. The CHAIRMAN. Very good, Senator Bond. Senator BOND. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There were a few comments, seems like minutes, maybe it was hours ago about the Fiske Report that brought to my mind that when we had the session on Friday we found that there were a number of areas where it appeared, at least to me and to several others, that maybe the investigations by Mr. Fiske had not been as complete as needed. I asked specifically that the FBI provide us any other interviews that they had conducted, particularly as it related to Little Rock, and they assured us they would do so. I have not seen any response, and I thought perhaps if Counsel hasn't received them that it might be helpful to urge them to comply with that request. 436 The CHAIRMAN. I'll make an inquiry, but when you say "Little Rock , what is the reference you're making? Senator BOND. We were asking questions about who they interviewed in the U.S. Attorney's office. They had provided us with one interview with an Assistant U.S. Attorney and that interview was, frankly, very weak because the person interviewed had the wrong day, had made several suppositions that really raised more questions than it answered.

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Video: Color
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Original Film: 408-6
HD: N/A
Location:
Timecode: -

Bicycle race

Basketball Scrimmage
Clip: 434482_1_1
Year Shot:
Audio: No
Video: Color
Tape Master: 1043
Original Film: 383-40
HD: N/A
Location: USA
Timecode: -

MS players on outdoor basketball court. Small crowd watching. The men are in uniform, shirts reading "Venturi Victory." Player takes a high pass in the flats and sinks the long three (except it wasn't a 3 then was it?) 01:16:28 (CSL 383-31) MS jump ball in same game (backwards film can be corrected in mastering) 01:16:48 LS same players running a drill -- film is faded 01:16:58 back to game, same shot as first, but film reversed 01:17:04 slightly faded following shot of ball as player takes long shots from top of key (camera follows ball)

Stretching for Fitness
Clip: 434485_1_1
Year Shot:
Audio: No
Video: Color
Tape Master: 1043
Original Film: 386-16
HD: N/A
Location: USA
Timecode: -

LS four people in empty stadium doing calesthenics, touching their toes in the exercise known as windmills

Beach Volleyball, or Newt's Dream
Clip: 434488_1_1
Year Shot: 1950 (Estimated Year)
Audio: No
Video: Color
Tape Master: 1043
Original Film: 386-16
HD: N/A
Location: USA
Timecode: -

MS shirtless men playing volleyball on beach

Strange Horse & Skirt Race
Clip: 434490_1_1
Year Shot:
Audio: No
Video: Color
Tape Master: 1043
Original Film: 386-16
HD: N/A
Location: USA
Timecode: -

LS dirt track with 8 horses racing down, crowd of spectators looking on -- not large, but such as might appear at a state fair or horse show or rodeo. A bizarre race is in progress; the riders, all women, stop, dismount and try to put on white skirts that lie neatly folded on the ground. In contrast to their blue jeans and Western-style shirts, these are an impediment, as we see the women struggle to put the clothes on and remount. One woman is hopelessly stuck with the skirt (or petticoat) down around her ankles and cannot get back on her horse

Ring Toss Game
Clip: 434492_1_1
Year Shot:
Audio: No
Video: Color
Tape Master: 1043
Original Film: 386-16
HD: N/A
Location: USA
Timecode: -

LS four women playing ring toss outdoors. Rustic cabin in BG suggests resort or summer camp

Monkey passing
Clip: 431868_1_1
Year Shot:
Audio: No
Video: Color
Tape Master:
Original Film: 53-11
HD: N/A
Location:
Timecode: -

Monkey passing

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