August 4, 1994 - Part 11
August 4, 1994 - Part 11
(21:15:20)(tape #10095 ends) that he discussed both of his notes with me in one meeting. Senator MACK. All right. Let me- Mr. LINDSEY. That meeting had to take place on or after October 7th because they included his October 7th notes from Jean Hanson. Senator MACK. Let me give you my sense about those notes and about that memorandum. When you compare the two notes, none of the information that Mr. Sloan says he gave to you at a later date shows up in your notes. Mr. LINDSEY. No, sir, that's not correct. Senator MACK. That's the way I Mr. LINDSEY. Again I've only seen Mr. Sloan's notes in the last 2 weeks. At the time of my deposition, I had not seen his notes at all. My understanding is that the reference to the Early Bird is in Mr. Sloan's October 7 note from Jean Hanson. My note clearly references the Early Bird and has a description of what was in the Early Bird. Mr. Sloan says he learned that in his October 7th con 448 versation with Jean Hanson, and it's also referenced in my note.,: That is why I believe my note occurred on or after October 7th. Senator MACK. Well, again, I believe we have a disagreement on this and I think rather than for us to spend the time to go through' the disagreement, I think we can look at those notes and Make some comparison. But, again, the point that I would underscore is, I know there was information that was in fact passed on at the second meeting, that if you had been making the notes at that time would have showed up on your notes. Your notes don't include that information, but again that's something that I think we can take a look at and clear up. My question to you would be though--do you recollect that you had a conversation with Mr. Sloan and he passed on the referral information? Mr. LINDSEY. I do recollect that I had a conversation with Mr. Sloan in which he indicated to me that there were referrals that mentioned the Clintons, yes. Senator MACK. And you think, do you have any dispute as to whether that was the 30th or the 1st? Mr. LINDSEY. No, I assume it was sometime before we went to California. Senator MACK. Now, on this trip to California, you did have a conversation with the President? Mr. LINDSEY. I had a conversation with Jim Lyons in which he also indicated that he had received press inquiries with respect to the referrals or that referenced the referrals. Shortly thereafter, I told the President about my conversation with Jim Lyons and indicated to the President that I understood that there were referrals that mentioned the Clintons but not as subjects or targets. Senator MACK. Here is the significance of the dispute you and I have I think. When we look at the notes that Mr. Sloan has of his conversation with Jean Hanson, which we believe he passed onto you on the 30th, and we believe your notes reflect that meeting having taken place on the 30th or the Ist, in both of those notes there is a reference to the Governor of Arkansas, Governor Tucker. And my question to you is, in passing this information on to the President during this trip, did you pass on the information about Governor Tucker being named as a subject or a target of the investigation? Mr. LINDSEY. Again two responses. One, no. Two, I do not believe I learned that information until after I had my conversation with the President and after the President had a meeting with Governor Tucker, Again, you cannot get around the fact, that since Mr. Sloan says he learned about the Early Bird in a conversation on October 7th and since it's clearly referenced in my note, my note had to occur on or after October 7th. Senator MACK. Again Senator BOXER. Mr. Chairman, again we're getting loose on the time and it's really- I The CHAIRMAN. I wanted to let Senator Mack finish---- Senator BOXER. I understand and I just wanted to make the point. Senator MACK. We can finish this up. 449 Senator BOXER. It's so late and we have another panel and these witnesses have been here since 3:00 this afternoon. Mr. LINDSEY. Senator Mack, the short answer is no, I did not. Senator MACK. We have a dispute on this and we'll work on it. The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Shelby. Senator SHELBY. Mr. Lindsey. Mr. LINDSEY. Yes, sir. Senator SHELBY. I was looking through your deposition. You might need to make reference to it. On page 74, 75, 76-73, 74, 75, 76, it's our Counsel, the Democratic Counsel, asking you about the meeting and I believe he was referring to the meeting of October 14th? Mr. LINDSEY, As I look at the beginning, it says 'Jack," so I assume that's Jack DeVore.