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July 19, 1995 - Part 3
(13:05:35) Mr. HUBBELL. My understanding from Phil was that he had sent Dave Margolis and Roger Adams. Mr. CHERTOFF. To do that job? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes. Mr. CHERTOFF. Was it your understanding from Philip Heymann that Mr. Nussbaum did not let them do that job? Mr. HUBBELL. That's my understanding. Mr. CHERTOFF. Finally, let me turn your attention to one issue that was raised, I think, by Mr. Ben-Veniste concerning normal civil litigation when you get a request for documents, and we talked about doing an inventory. In a situation where there's a subpoena in civil litigation, it's customary either to turn the documents over or to make a record of all the documents that you are withholding; correct? Mr. HUBBELL. It's normal that if you're withholding a document- whether there's a subpoena or in just normal discovery, if you're withholding a document, you prepare what is called a privilege log, which gives some description of the document, that doesn't waive the privilege but gives some idea of what the document that is being withheld is, Mr. CHERTOFF. The point of that, is to have a record of every sin- document that is potentially relevant so that there can be no question afterwards whether someone has either turned over documents or has identified documents that are being withheld? Mr. HUBBELL. That's the case in civil litigation, yes. Mr. CHERTOFF. When a log or a record of documents is not maintained it becomes very difficult, if not impossible, after the fact ever 137 to demonstrate an accounting of all the documents in a particular office; correct? Mr. HUBBELL. That is correct. Mr. CHERTOFF. I'm done, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Senator SARBANES. Mr. Chairman, in the effort of having counsel illuminate this matter, I think Mr. Ben-Veniste ought to have a couple of followup questions. The CHAIRMAN. Certainly. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Just following up on civil litigation, when there is a subpoena, the subpoena calls for some item relevant to the litigation in question, and then there is an issue about whether, within the scope of what's called for there is some privileged material; correct? Mr. HUBBELL. That is correct. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. In connection with the request made by the police to search Mr. Foster's office, the scope of what they were looking for was a suicide note or related information demonstrating Mr. Foster's state of mind; is that correct, sir? Mr. HUBBELL. I assume, but I don't know that for sure because I wasn't privy to what the scope of the review was going to be. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Now, finally, with respect to what Mr. Chertoff has raised about Mr. Adams-and if there is any confusion on this record, Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make sure that it is removed. I was not suggesting that Mr. Adams was called upon to render an opinion about the appropriateness of legal counsel doing work on the private papers of the President in connection with his official duties- What I was referring to was the testimony of' Mr. Adams that It did not offend him at all that Counsel or Deputy Counsel to the President did some work for the President or the First Lady, I hope that clarifies his testimony. The CHAIRMAN, Certainly. It doesn't offend this Senator, understanding the nature of counsel and particular relationships, that, obviously, there is going to be some work overlapping, particularly as it relates to public disclosures, et cetera. 1 mean, when we go beyond, that may be a different matter. But, certainly, in our own experience making out financial disclosures, tell me where and when you should make a differentiation as it relates to personal and public, So I say we want to attempt to be fair and to be clear in this matter. Senator, if there are any other Senator SARBANES, I just have a couple of comments. Mr. Chairman, 1 first want to say to Mr. Hubbell that 1 think he's been a forthcoming witness, and we appreciate that. I particularly appreciate him saying "I just don't know" when he doesn't know. That is important, and he was careful about that. So he gave us the best testimony that he could give us, and in areas where he was asked about other matters and lie didn't know, he said he didn't know. I think, in its own way, that is forthcoming. I also want to make, in that regard, this point about some other questions that are put. I know that the Chairman can't control, none of us can control, the questions that are put, but I do have to observe that some questions that were put contained premises that I think are just off the horizon, so to speak. The witness says I never heard of anything like that or I don't know anything about 138 something like that, but of course the question is put with a certain premise contained to the question.
Garner Signs Patman Bonus
Short Clip - Over exposed John Nance affixes his signature to the ill-fated Patman Cash Payment Bonus Bill (Patman Bill or Veteran s Bonus Bill, Bonus March) to the measure providing for immediate payment of adjusted compensation certificates as the bill is sped to the white house.
Saxon King Wins Metropolitian Turf Handicap
Rolling light in contrast and imagery A stirring neck-and-neck dash to the finish gives King Saxon a thrilling victory over Singing Wood in the Metropolitan Handicap. Twenty thousand spectators wildly cheer the forty-second running of the turf classic.
First Group Of Farm Pioneers Reaches Alaska
A little rolling light in contrast and imagery The first contingent of immigrant farmers reaches its 'Land of Promise' as other large groups from drought-stricken middle western areas prepare to sail from Seattle, Washington. With aid from the government.
Peace Talk Prompts Styles
A little rolling light in contrast and imagery Gladys parker, irrepressible cartoonist and designer, exhibits a starling series of costume models inspired by the international conferences at Stresa, Italy. Fashion models walking and smiling on the cat-walk. The first model is wearing a sheer coat-dress with sequins. The two models who come up next are wearing summery type dresses. The next model is wear checker trousers with a halter top adorned with a bow by the neck and a straw hat. This model walks on the bar and stops by two men who are drinking, she is sporting a sun outfit. These models are wearing mini dresses and their walking on the bar and the men who are drinking are really downing the drinks.
July 19, 1995 - Part 1
(10:10:39) Mr. HUBBELL. If I had the time and the resources. Senator BOND. If there were items in there that you felt might be within the scope of the request, but would be subject to a privilege, you would indicate a description of the document without the content and indicate that it was privileged? Mr. HUBBELL. That's the way it's handled in a lot of civil litigation, yes, sir. Senator BOND. Are you aware of any documentation made of the contents of Mr. Foster's office? Mr. HUBBELL. Not one way or the other, Senator BOND. Are you aware of any notes taken by the Associate White House Counsel and Mr. Foster's attorney after the death? Mr. HUBBELL. Not one way or the other, Senator. Senator BOND. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Senator Bond. We'll return to this side because we only have a minute left. Senator Kerry. OPENING COMMENTS OF SENATOR JOHN F. KERRY Senator KERRY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Hubbell, you were not really directly involved in any of the ctual search for any files in Mr. Foster's office; correct? 84 Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct. Senator KERRY. You, in effect, took yourself completely out of the investigation portion with respect to the office; correct? Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct, Senator. Senator KERRY. You issued no orders with respect to the search?, Mr. HUBBELL. I was acting as a family friend from the moment., I heard of Vince's death, and I don't believe I issued any orders. Senator KERRY. So, essentially, any questions that have been asked of you with respect to the search of the office, whatever you know, you only know as a secondhand matter; correct? Mr. HUBBELL. Regarding Vince's office, that's correct. Senator KERRY. Do you, as a matter of fact, now know that the' Park Police succeeded in seeing each file that they wanted to see? Mr. HUBBELL. I don't know one way or the other. Senator KERRY. You have no knowledge whatsoever? Mr. HUBBELL. I do not. Senator KERRY. You can't shed any light on the central question that's on this Committee about the handling of the documents? Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct. Senator KERRY. Now, at some point prior to coming to Washington during the course of the campaign, you came to have possession of the so-called Whitewater files; correct? Mr. HUBBELL. No, I don't know what people mean by Whitewater file, Senator KERRY. You had a file that was built up in the course of the campaign to respond to questions during the campaign? Mr. HUBBELL. I had a file that had been assimilated by the campaign that was labeled Whitewater, but I don't necessarily-and I'm sure that was not all the Whitewater files. Senator KERRY. But whatever you had, were you the designated holder, in a sense, of the campaign's accrued information on this issue? Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct. Senator KERRY, It was an issue that was brought up several times during the course of the campaign and the campaign needed to respond? Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct. Senator KERRY. You were the central repository of that information? Mr. HUBBELL. After the election, yes. Senator KERRY. After the election you took that central repository and you put it in your home? Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct. Senator KERRY. After you put it in your home in Little Rock, at some point it came to be in your home in Washington? Mr. HUBBELL. That is correct. Senator KERRY. But it never went to the Justice Department? Mr. HUBBELL. Never went to the Justice Department. Senator KERRY. It never went to Vince Foster's office? Mr. HUBBELL. No, it did not. Senator KERRY. You never had a conversation with Vince Foster about the files that you had, did you? Mr. HUBBELL. Vince was aware that I had the campaign files, but not what they were. 85 Senator KERRY. You never gave him any portion of them? Mr. HUBBELL. No, I did not. Senator KERRY. Did Vince ever call you and ask you a question about your files? Mr. HUBBELL. No, Vince did not. Senator KERRY. In effect, while you were the central repository of this information in the course of the campaign and retained all of the files from the campaign, which was about as heated and as intense a period of scrutiny as you could find, those files never found their way into Vince Foster's hands? Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct. Senator KERRY. Nor to the White House? Mr. HUBBELL. Nor to the White House, except for one file that's not related to Whitewater in any way. Senator KERRY. Now, it's my understand ing-again, this is secondhand for you, it's secondhand for all of us, but with respect to the question Senator Shelby was asking, it's my understanding that the Park Police were not there to specifically look at a Whitewater file?
Bank
Bank MS elderly woman standing outside communicating with drive-thru window teller, the drawer opens & woman takes her bank book out. MCU Orange Police officer standing under "Nation Bank" sign, a man dressed in suit & tie enters the frame, the two talk. CU sign with reading 62 degrees in temperature. MSs elderly woman being greeted by elderly man at the glass door entrance to bank.
Water Birds - Coot
(Tape 1) 18:58:45 Dead coot frozen in ice by blizzard
Bear of Yellowstone
Bear of Yellowstone - Tourists encourage mother bear & her cubs to approach car for snacks & pictures (Late 1950s-early 1960s). Good color & clarity.
Bear of Yellowstone
Bear of Yellowstone - Tourists encourage mother bear & her cub to approach car (Late 1950s-early 1960s). MS mother bear & her cub sniffing the ground. MS juvenile bear in the street, male tourists have gotten out of their cars to get a closer view, one guy ridiculously puts his hand out to pet the animal, pan as bear walks past the small crowd.
Bear of Yellowstone
Bear of Yellowstone - Tourists encourage mother bear & her cubs to approach car for snacks & pictures (Late 1950s-early 1960s). Good color & clarity.
Washington Monument
Washington Monument TLS Washington Monument framed by several trees in FG against bright blue sky BG. TLS Washington Monument w/paddle boat on the river in FG. TLS Washington Monument w/pedestrians strolling along riverfront path in FG (spring). TLS Washington Monument w/Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool in FG. TLS The Lincoln Memorial, Memorial Bridge and Washington Monument across the Potomac River, seen through branches of leafless trees in FG (early spring). Slightly elevated TLS Washington Monument w/Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool in FG, pedestrian tourist seen walking about, beautiful late 1940s/early 1950s era cars pass on road in front of the reflecting pool (summer).
Washington DC Landmarks
Washington DC Landmarks GV facade of building w/ionic columns above entrance, city busses & cars pass in FG. TLS 1950s era vehicles driving across the Lincoln Memorial Bridge, Lincoln Memorial & Washington Monument seen in BG. LS South Portico of the White House obscured by leafless trees in FG. LS Lincoln memorial seen through branched of leafless tree in FG. Angled GV entrance to the Supreme Court Building.
Two Endurance Fliers Land
Rolling - shaky dull and light in imagery Imperiled by high winds, which prevented them from making contact with their refueling plane, Frances Harrell and Viola Gentry are forced down after remaining aloft for 28 hours.
2 Die As Speeding Flyer Jumps Tracks
Rolling contrast dull and light in imagery Rounding a sharp 's' curve at Mount Logan, the Crack Chesapeake and Ohio Express 'the sportsman' leaves the rails, killing the engineer and a 'blind baggage' rider and injuring five others.
Roller Skaters Start South
Rolling contrast dull and light in imagery Leaving City Hall, Jack Loreen and Budd Donnelly begin a long journey to Miami, Florida. With good winds and steep down grades the men hope to average 100 miles a day and reach their destination by Christmas.
Capitol Journal - Nicaragua and Contra Funding
Capitol Journal - Nicaragua and Contra Funding: US Congressional Delegation in Nicaragua
Water Birds - Goose
(Tape 1) 20:05:51 Goose flying in slow motion
Sky Spills Death: Five Die as Plane Hits NY Borough
Sky Spills Death: Five Die as Plane Hits NY Borough For the fifth time in four months, death strikes from the skies in the metropolitan area of New York City. A C-46 cargo plane carrying a cargo of flowers and lingerie plummets down onto a house in Queens, killing five persons and injuring scores. Scenes of the aftermath. Smoldering single-family home. People walking amid wreckage in a neighborhood. Clothing (which was cargo) hanging from trees. Tangled wreck of a car. More destruction of homes. Sad shots of medical personnel at hospital, tending to the injured: doctor examines bandaged hand of patient, nurse with another woman in hospital bed. Tragedy.
Model U.N. Conference Held at USC.
Model U.N. Conference Held at USC. World government on the college campus. A model United Nations conference sponsored by the University of Southern California, and attended by students from many colleges and universities, including students from foreign lands. Mrs. Eleanor Roosevelt makes a special film address to the group. Establishing shot, building on USC campus, large crowd in front. Scenes of registration, event. At banquet, Mr. Scott Hanson (official United Nations representative to the film industry, says the VO) introduces Benjamin Cohen, Asst. Secretary-General of the UN. Various awards presented by actress Mary Pickford. Interesting behind-the-scenes shot of Eleanor Roosevelt in front of camera, clapper doing his thing, microphone in view. Section of her speech, encouraging the students in their endeavor and in patience in achieving their ends.
July 20, 1995 - Part 1
(09:29:31) Opens to shots of Senate hearing room where the media, Senators, witnesses and audience slowly gather (09:41:45) Hearing begins: INVESTIGATION OF WHITEWATER DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AND RELATED MATTERS THURSDAY, JULY 20, 1995 U.S. SENATE, COMMITTEE ON BANKING, HOUSING, AND URBAN AF FAIRS, SPECIAL COMMITTEE TO INVESTIGATE WHITEWATER DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AND RELATED MATTERS, Washington, DC. The Committee met at 9:30 a.m., in room 216 of the Hart Senate Office Building, Senator Alfonse M. D'Amato (Chairman of the Committee) presiding. OPENING COMMENTS OF CHAIRMAN ALFONSE M. D'AMATO The CHAIRMAN. This morning, we're going to hear from the panel of Park Police officers. But, before we do, I'd like to make two observations. Number one, we received a communication dated July 19 from the Office of Independent Counsel to Senator Sarbanes and myself in which, basically, the Independent Counsel indicates he's received the request from our Committee for the information that we requested as it relates to Maggie Williams and the polygraph test that may have been administered and various questions that may have been asked, I will summarize it by saying that he has denied our request, and we will make this letter available to the media at the present time. You will have a copy of it. OPENING COMMENTS OF SENATOR PAUL S. SARBANES Senator SARBANES. Mr. Chairman, could I observe that I very much regret this response by the Independent Counsel because I think the consequence of it is to make the work of this Committee more difficult, and it seemed to me that the request that had been put to him, first jointly by our counsel and then reinforced by all the Members of the Full Committee, was a very reasonable request. Unfortunately, we're now confronted with not receiving this cooperation, which I think would have been very helpful. The CHAIRMAN. I concur that it could have been very helpful. Maybe it's because of the need to be, I think, extra cautious, but it will make our work more difficult. Senator SARBANES. I understand our counsel tried to find an even lesser request to try to accommodate The CHAIRMAN. To review its scope, how extensive the questions were. Senator SARBANES. Even that was declined. 144 The CHAIRMAN. That is the case, so it will make the job more dif- ficult and put the Committee through more work, but we share that with you. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Jim, would it be out of line to request from the White House that Ms. Williams voluntarily release the test? The CHAIRMAN. No, no, because this apparently-and I say apparently-was a test administered by or with the supervision or authorization of the Independent Counsel, and the White House really does not have the ability to ask that of Maggie Williams, so it would not be the appropriate form to ask for relief. It really is the Independent Counsel, and his judgment. We will share that with you; I've asked for copies to be made to be distributed, But it will not be done. I think it's unfortunate. Senator SARBANES. I think I ought to say she doesn't have the test. Senator FAIRCLOTH. OK. That's what I was asking. Senator SARBANES. The Independent Counsel has it, and we thought he should have provided it or helped to accommodate us and he's not done that.
Water Birds - Laughing Gulls
(Tape 1) Laughing gulls eating horseshoe crab eggs, surf coming in on beach filled with gulls and crabs
July 20, 1995 - Part 1
(09:45:25) The CHAIRMAN. Unfortunately, you hear that a test was administered, but what was the basis, what were the questions, what was the scope; so it raises, in many cases, more questions than it answers when we hear that a test was administered. So we share that with you, and maybe he'll reconsider as time goes along. I'd like to say, at the outset of today's hearings and before we hear from the Park Police, that I want to reemphasize and make. something clear because I've had a number of people in the media raise this question to me as recently as this morning. Apparently I would hope that our witnesses, particularly Major Hines-I want to assure him that this Committee does not intend and has no interest in opening up or reopening the question of the tragic death of Mr. Foster. I see that is a concern of the Major in his statement. I've read the statement. We do not dispute in any way that it was anything but a suicide. I can understand the Park Police's feeling, as its characterization of the investigation, I think, took on certain nasty aspects, but we don't intend to look at that. After last summer's hearings, both the Majority and Minority reports concluded--I want to emphasize this-that the evidence overwhelmingly Supports the Park Police's conclusion that Mr. Foster died of a self-inflicted wound. I am aware of nothing that undermines this conclusion. I read Major I-lines' statement this morning, and I understand and appreciate the Park Police frustration with all of the totally unfounded speculation that Mr. Foster was a victim of foul play. The Park Police have worked hard to do a professional job, and such unfortunate speculation simply slows the Foster family's healing process. It raises concerns among the professionals at the Park Police. It is unfair to characterize their investigation as having not been thorough and complete. Last summer, at the request of Mr. Fiske, the Senate did not ex-amine the very important question of the handling of the papers. and documents, including the Whitewater papers, contained in 145 Foster's office. I want to reassure the Park Police that the Committee is now looking-and not only the Park Police, but everyone--were now looking into the handling of the papers in Mr. Foster's office after his death and whether there was any interference with law enforcement review or whether law enforcement was impeded from doing its job in that connection. So I would hope that settles that issue and that you would feel we are not attempting to replow a situation that should not be revisited. With that Senator SARBANES. Mr. Chairman, before you swear in the panel, I'd like to follow up on a matter we were discussing after the hearing yesterday. It's my understanding that Michael Chertoff and Richard Ben-Veniste will seek to interact with Mr. Kendall, who's the private attorney for the Clintons, with respect to the materials that have been furnished. Now, as I understand it, the material redacted does not involve Whitewater or Madison, but I think a procedure whereby our counsel has an opportunity to interact with Mr. Kendall on that matter would be helpful. At the end of the day and the discussions we had after the hearing, I think we reached that understanding, that they would seek to have that interchange over the weekend. Now, we have received an awful lot of documents from the White House which are official, and also documentation from Mr. Kendall as their private lawyer, but questions have been raised about some of the redactions, and I think we're endeavoring to find a process here by which our attorneys interacting with them can obtain some further understanding about how to handle that matter. Is that correct? Is that not correct?
Steel Strike Off: Government Seizes Plant in Dispute.
Steel Strike Off: Government Seizes Plant in Dispute. In a dramatic and unprecedented move, President Truman orders government seizure of the nation's steel mills, minutes before a strike deadline, following a breakdown in negotiations. Six hundred thousand workers fire up the banked furnaces. Various exterior shots of steam or smoke coming from steel mills. President HARRY S. TRUMAN sits at a desk, waiting for his cue. Then he speaks: "Therefore, I am taking two actions. First, I am directing the Secretary of Commerce to take possession of the steel mills and to keep them operating. Second, I am directing the Acting Director of Defense Mobilization to get the representatives of the steel companies and the steel workers down here to Washington at the earliest possible date in a renewed effort to get them to settle their dispute." Blue collar workers walk toward plant for work day. Various shots of molten steel in blast furnaces.