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Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 14, 1973
[00.20.03] Senator WEICKER. Official sources being what Mr. MAGRUDER. Being the Justice Department. Senator WEICKER. Did you know of any influence exerted by the White House over U.S. attorneys and/or the grand jury? Mr. MAGRUDER. No: I do not. AS a matter of fact, at least in relation to the U.S. attorneys 1 got the opposite impression. Senator WEICKER. You got the opposite impression from whom? Mr. MAGRUDER. Pardon? Senator WIECKER You got the opposite impression from whom? Mr. MAGRUDER. From Mr. Dean, primarily Senator WEICKER. Well, if he gave. you the opposite impression so far as the U.S. attorneys were concerned, who was he talking about when he indicated that you would not be indicted? Mr. MAGRUDER. You were indicating whether there was any influence, My indication from Mr. Dean was that they had no influence over the U.S. attorney. But when evidently the U.S. attorneys had decided not to indict me after the August 16 grand jury appearance, and they transmitted that to the appropriate officials, Mr. Dean evidently -was notified of that fact. Senator WEICKER. Did you ever learn that. Mr. McCord Was receiving information from the Internal Security Division of the Justice Department ? Mr. MAGRUDER. I do not think I knew that before I read it in the papers. But I could not, be--I would not, be sure about. that as a singular fact. He did receive information that he passed on to us at times which I think now, in recollecting probably came from that Division. Senator WEICKER. Now, what did Mr. Strachan do before he went to work for Mr. Haldeman? Mr. MAGRUDER. He worked for me at, the, White House. Senator WEICKER. Now, in the, earliest, part of your testimony this morning, and this will be, a matter- of the. transcript which I have not had an opportunity to review. but, relying on my recollection, in setting the, stage of personnel at the. top level you indicated Mr. Mitchell, Mr. Strachan, liaison to Mr. Haldeman and I thought you said Mr. Haldeman as liaison. Mr., MAGRUDER. Mr. Haldeman was the official, the. senior White House official who dealt, directly and was responsible for--in direct dealings with our committee. Mr. Strachan was his aide in doing the, day-to-day leg work in relation to this. Senator WEICKER. And you indicated during the course of your testimony that you reported matters to Mr. Strachan which you cared to have come to the attention of Mr. Haldeman is that correct? Mr. MAGRUDER. I think what I stated- Senator WEICKER. I am trying to establish the chain. Mr. MAGRUDER. What I think I stated this morning was that all documents and all activity that we engaged in by prior agreement with Mr. Mitchell and Mr. Haldeman went, directly to Mr. Strachan for Mr. Haldeman's perusal or for whatever action he, may deem appropriate. Senator WEICKER. And Mr. Haldeman's function then would be to liaison with the President. is that not, correct? Mr. MAGRUDER. Yes, sir. [00.23.36--the hypothetical link to President NIXON] Senator WEICKER. All right Now, we are going to try to walk through the particular series of event's all of which were, referred to in your testimony this morning. And they all relate to the conversations that you had with Mr. Strachan. Is it true, Oat the first, conversation that you had with Mr. Strachan about the Liddy project was after the January 22 meeting? Mr. MAGRUDER. To my recollection would have been after. because I cannot recall discussing in any detail the Liddy project with Liddy until he presented it, to Mr. Mitchell. Senator WEICKER. Or any---- Mr. MAGRUDER. There probably were discussions -with Mr. Strachan about the fact that Mr. Liddy was going to do intelligence work for us before that date, but not as to the specifies of his proposal since I saw it for the first time at that meeting. Senator WEICKER. Did you discuss then, I just want to establish this without going into it in great depth unless you care to go into it, are you indicating to me that there might have been discussions with Mr. Strachan about the type of' it project -which was specifically presented to you. at the January 27 meeting prior to January 27? Mr. MAGRUDER. 'No. I simply--I am sure we discussed Mr. Liddy's intelligence-gathering role but since I did not know the specifics of his project, it must have been in general terms. Senator WEICKER. All right. SO we can start then definitely after the January 27 meeting You did report details of that meeting? Mr. MAGRUDER. Yes, sir. [00.25.30]
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 14, 1973
[00.25.30] Senator WEICKER. Which related specifically to getting into the Democratic headquarters, bugging et Cetera. it' had some rather unusual features. I am talking about just the $1 million budget. Mr. MAGRUDER. And, excuse me, Senator. the first meeting we did not discuss, as I recall, targets at that time. Senator WEICKER. I see, Just list the general scope and that was reported to Mr. Strachan. Now, we come to the February 4 meeting At this meeting specific targets were discussed. is that not correct? Mr. MAGRUDER. Yes, Sir. Senator WEICKER. And What targets were discussed? Mr. MAGRUDER. Primarily the Democratic National Committee headquarters in Washington, the Fontainbleau Hotel which was to be their headquarters at the convention, potential Democratic candidates headquarters and the subject of the publisher of the Las Vegas paper came up also. Senator WEICKER. And the Democratic national headquarters? Mr. MAGRUDER. Yes, sir, I had mentioned that first. Senator WEICKER. Yes. And this is the so-called economy version of the January -17 meeting stripped down to $500,000 budget, is that correct? Mr. MAGRUDER. Yes, Sir. Senator WEICKER. And you reported the details of this to Mr. Strachan, is that correct ? Mr. MAGRUDER. Us. sir. In that case I did have this proposal On The blank sheets of paper and as I recollect sent them over to Mr. Strachan. Senator WEICKER. So that Mr. Strachan had both notes of that meeting and possibly also the budget sheets of that meeting? ? Mr. MAGRUDER. Yes, sir. he would have automatically have had the budget sheets. Senator WEICKER. Now. on March 20, at -least this is the next date I have Mr. Strachan interceded on Mr. Liddy's behalf when, in fact, you had wanted Liddy fired ? Mr. MAGRUDER. Yes, sir. Senator WEICKER. And He persuaded you, talking about Mr. Strachan, to not object to Mr. Liddy's--I am trying again To paraphrase--not to object to his presence on the scene, and that he would be his intelligence operations underneath the finance committee is that right Mr. MAGRUDER. I think "persuade" is too strong a, word, he talked to Mr. Dean talked to me. Mr. LaRue and I had talked. It was the general opinion from their standpoint, and I then agreed with it-was, that it would be best to let him continue intelligence work,] [00.28.03] Senator WEICKER. But the specific request by or the specific reason for continuing Mr. Liddy on as explained by Mr. Strachan, was not for his legal ability but for his intelligence-gathering ability, is that correct? Mr. MAGRUDER. That is correct. We did not keep him on in that capacity, in this legal capacity, in that committee, he, was transferred to the finance committee. Senator WEICKER. I See. Now, upon your return from the meeting at Key Biscayne, Fla., -which meeting as I understand it was held With John Mitchell would you indicate who else was at the meeting? Mr. MAGRUDER. Fred LaRue. Senator WEICKER. Fred LaRue and John Mitchell, you called Gordon Strachan after getting back to Washington? Mr. MAGRUDER. Yes, Sir. Senator WEICKER. And what did you tell Mr. Strachan? Mr. MAGRUDER. Simply that the project had been approved at the $250,000 level and what the, targets were and what we--what the plans would be, and which he, had already of course, been aware of. Senator WEICKER. And again, if you Could, just indicate those plans, what those plans were. Mr. MAGRUDER. They were to wiretap the, Democratic national headquarters specifically Mr. O'Brien's office, to possibly if it was appropriate and if we, had the funds to consider the Fontainbleau Hotel which was to be their headquarters at. the convention, and also the McGovern headquarters, or I shouldn't say McGovern, the Democratic presidential candidate's headquarters at that time had not been determined. Senator WEICKER. Did you send to Mr. Strachan at that time the copies of the notes taken at that, meeting with Mr. Mitchell's notation? Mr. MAGRUDER. I would not remember whether I did that. or not, Senator I typically would have destroyed those notes Senator WEICKER. Right. But in any event he was completely apprised as to the content of the Key Biscayne meeting? Mr. MAGRUDER. Yes sir. Senator WEICKER. NOW, after Memorial Day, that is the next incident I have in my notes, you informed Mr. Strachan that Gordon Liddy had made a successful entry into the Democratic national headquarters is that correct? Mr. MAGRUDER. Yes, sir. Senator WEICKER. Anything else, In that particular conversation that you transmitted to Mr. Strachan? Mr. MAGRUDER. No; I am sure there wasn't because at that time had no other-we, had no fruits of their labors. Senator WEICKER. Am I--I don't want ant to move along too fast here, is my chronology correct, were there other times between here where you had conversations with Mr. Strachan relative to these activities. I don't mean others. Mr. MAGRUDER. There could very well have, Senator, but because there, was nothing specific about them I don't, recollect them.
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 14, 1973
[00.31.02] Senator WEICKER. I just want to make sure that neither I nor you miss them. Now, during the first 2 weeks of June, you must have contacted Mr. Strachan relative to the Gemstone material. is that correct? Mr. MAGRUDER. Yes, sir. [00.31.23] Senator WEICKER. And in this particular instance, obviously, it must have been considered important to the extent that nothing was sent to the White House. but rather you requested that Mr. Strachan come down to the, Committee To Re-Elect the President. Is that correct? Mr. MAGRUDER. Yes. sir. Senator WEICKER. Would you mind telling me as to why you felt that, was the best, way to do things in this instance? Mr. MAGRUDER. These were in effect logs of wiretap conversations and I did not think it was appropriate to Send them over to the White House by messenger. Senator WEICKER. So really., the inhibition was by messenger. You knew they were. going back over to the White House? Mr. MAGRUDER. I am sorry. Most all Of the documents-- in fact. all of the documents in the entire Campaign except the Gemstone file, were automatically sent over by messenger to Mr. Strachan for Mr. Haldeman this was the only document I can recall. these two sets of documents the Gemstone documents that I did not send over by messenger because I thought they -were of a sensitive nature---- Senator WIECKER. Too sensitive. Mr. MAGRUDER. Too sensitive to send over by messenger. Senator WEICKER. SO your transmission of this material was a mental transmission rather than a physical transmission, is that correct I Mr. MAGRUDER. Yes, I called him and I told him I had the documents there for his perusal but I would keep them there in my office. Senator WEICKER. I understand . Did he come over? Mr. MAGRUDER. Yes, sir. Senator WEICKER. Did he look, at them? Mr. MAGRUDER. Yes. sir. Senator WEICKER. And I think we can assume that he returned to the White House ? Mr. MAGRUDER. Yes, sir. Senator WEICKER. Now, we are at June 17. I just want to ask once again as to whether or not there are any other contacts between you and Gordon Strachan prior to the break-in that you feel this committee should know about, Mr. MAGRUDER. I would not recall anything specific. I think probably after the time, Mr. Mitchell indicated to Mr. Liddy HIS dissatisfaction I think I would have normally as a matter of course indicated to Gordon that we had hoped that Mr. Liddy would do a better job on his next go-around, something to that effect. But I do not recollect that. Senator WEICKER. Would you say that Mr. Strachan, on the evening of June 16, was as well briefed on the intelligence operation in the Committee To Re-Elect the President as- anybody within the campaign? Mr. MAGRUDER. Yes, sir. Senator WEICKER. Now, on June 17, did you call Gordon Strachan? Mr. MAGRUDER. Yes, I called him Saturday afternoon at some point. Senator WEICKER. And what was the nature of that, conversation? Mr. MAGRUDER. Simply to alert him to the break-in, give. him the, details of what we were doing in Los Angeles and particularly Mr. Mitchell's statement nothing more than a discussion of what happened. Senator WEICKER. When you say give him the, details, what details were you giving him? You were in Los Angeles? Mr. MAGRUDER. Well, we had heard, and I do not think it had been reported by that time through Mr. Odle, that Mr. McCord had been arrested. That is the point that I called Mr. Strachan. We had heard Mr. McCord had been arrested earlier through Mr. Liddy and it became, more official, and any efforts to release him had not, been successful; So we knew that, he would be in jail for a period of time. it Was at that point that at I called him. There was a high degree of concern on our part and 1 imparted that concern, as there was on his part, of course. Senator WEICKER. During that conversation with Mr. Strachan, did you discuss the money in possession of the defendants? Mr. MAGRUDER. As I recall, it, came out in the, evening news that some $5,300 had been found in the defendants possession. We had hoped that it was Democratic money, not our money. But at that time, it was not known as to whose money it was. It was not until Monday when I talked to Mr. Sloan that I knew it was our money. [00.36.06] Senator WEICKER. And on June 18, you received a call from Mr. Haldeman. Is that correct,? Mr. MAGRUDER. Yes, sin Senator WEICKER. And during that, telephone conversation Mr. Haldeman asked, "What happened?'" Mr. MAGRUDER. Yes, sir. Senator WEICKER. Well, now, how did you take that question? Did you think he, was referring, to what happened as it related to the particular events of the arrest or did you feel that this -was a "what happened" relative to the, whole operation? Were you surprised that Mr. Haldeman should ask the question, what, happened? Mr. MAGRUDER. NO sir, Senator WEICKER. You were not surprised ? Or yoi were surprised? Mr. MAGRUDER. NO; I was not surprised. Senator WEICKER. In other words, you felt, in this telephone, conversation where he called you, that he truly was trying to find out from scratch as to what occurred ? Mr. MAGRUDER. No, I didn't say that. I was not surprised that he called. [00.37.24]
Ostrich Races
Alternative act for the rodeo circuit: MS two men in ring, pushing along an ostrich, which has rigged on it a pony-style trap rig with two wheels. Sign on cart the bird is pulling says "Ostrich Races." It's a bright sunny day, and spectators are sprinkled throughout the bleachers. This would appear to be a carnival, as some sort of ride is visible over the grandstand. Camera pans to show two other ostrich carts in the distance, each guided by two men (it's hard to tell if they're getting the bird to move or trying to make it stop, but a struggle nonetheless). 01:00:15 THEY'RE OFF -- race starts, and we see that each bird has a driver on the cart. Good following shots of riders (one woman) as they go around the ring.
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 14, 1973
[00.37.24] Senator WEICKER. Why don't you tell -me, then, your reaction to his call ? Mr. MAGRUDER. I was not surprised that he called me. It was a typical conversation that, I had had many times with Mr. Haldeman, short, to the point. He asked what had happened. I told him to the best of our knowledge. He asked me what statement were, we going to--- I think we had put, out. the, statement but it, hadn't been released to the press at that time. I explained what we were trying to do. He explained his concern that someone, specifically myself, get back to Washington, specifically and get, hold of the situation and got the details and make sure things were handled correctly. Senator WEICKER. Mr. Magruder- Mr. MAGRUDER. As much in a PR sense, Senator, as in any other sense at that point in time. Senator WEICKER. What did you tell him? What did you tell him during the course of that conversation that you did not tell Gordon Strachan during the night before ? Mr. MAGRUDER. I don't think there was any difference in my conversation other than--there probably was no difference in the content of the conversation. It, was simply a factual description of what had happened. Senator WEICKER. Why do you feel, then, that Mr. Haldeman had to go ahead and call you if in fact you had 'given a complete description of the incident to Mr. Strachan, and certainly as far as all the background material was concerned did you make the assumption that, all of this had been transmitted to Mr. Haldeman? Mr. MAGRUDER. I didn't make that assumption. I did not know what background material. I think Mr. Haldeman called me, because of the serious nature of the problem and that this was something that he wanted to directly relate to me on and be. sure that we were taking measures to handle the situation He would call me and had called me periodically during the campaign about various subjects that he felt were important. [00.39.22] Senator WEICKER. Mr. Magruder, do you or did you operate from on the presumption. when You were talking to -Mr. Haldeman, that he knew what this break-in stemmed from Mr. -MAGRUDER. Senator, that is a difficult question to answer. I had to assume that since I communicated completely with Mr. Strachan that these communications -were known to -Mr., Haldeman to some extent. But that is strictly an assumption on my part. At no time until January did I have any Idea, and in fact,. in the January meeting. Mr. Haldeman indicated to me that he did not have any knowledge of the break-in previous to that, So, of course, I assumed it simply because I had been working with his assistant, but that is an assumption and purely that, Senator WEICKER. The reason Why I mention this, of course, is that at, the executive session of the committee, you have indicated approximately what you told me right here. But may I point out, so that, we aren't straining too much at the bit. that we have, just been through a very thorough review as to how the chain of command was and you have clearly set it out to this committee. You have run through a review of the meeting of January 27, the. meeting of February 4. the meeting of -March 20. the meeting of March 30, the meeting after Memorial Day. a meeting Within the first 2 weeks of June, and we have run it right up to June 17, and you have indicated that Mr. Strachan was as well briefed in this operation as you or anyone else and had knowledge of if. And -within that background, there was no question in your mind at all as to why the call from Mr. Haldeman? Mr. MAGRUDER. I think the call was very obvious. The issue was of critical importance and rather than dealing through his aide, he wanted to deal directly with me and Mr. Mitchell in his Case as to the action taken. So he dealt directly with me, In this is case. He did this numerous times in the campaign. Senator WEICKER. But you did not feel that you had to give a backgrounder on the subject, did you ? Mr. MAGRUDER. He did not ask for a backgrounder. recall, Senator WEICKER. Did You, and I want to lay it out here again, did you assume that, he had some knowledge--and I emphasize the. word "assume". Obviously, at this point in time it was strictly on the basis of experience--experience that you had with Mr. Strachan, experience that you had insofar as laying out the. chain of command? Mr. MAGRUDER. It was natural on my part to assume that there was some, knowledge yes. Senator WEICKER. Now, why, just out of curiosity, before you move on to the January meeting, why was everyone concerned as you indicated in your testimony this morning, with the money question? Did Mr. Haldeman seem concerned over the money in his phone call? Mr. MAGRUDER. You mean the $5,300? Senator WEICKER. That is right. Mr. MAGRUDER. I think first, there were, two concerns: Mr. McCord Obviously having been an employee of ours; and second the money, The money was raised after April 7 and was not reported, in direct violation of the new campaign law, and could be traced back directly to the committee So I think they were dual concerns. Those were the two initial concerns of the people I have discussed. [00.43.17]
Coach & Player/Warm-Ups
LS coach and college (or possibly pro) football player on sidelines. Huge stadium behind has a few people in it, and there's a scoreboard, but illegible. Coach sends player into the game (off-screen), then camera stays with him as he shouts instructions 01:11:03 (CSL 381-4) high angle view of end zone before college game, players running out for warm-ups 01:11:10 LS same angle, players doing jumping jacks as marching band performs routine in distance
Archery Competition & Novice Instruction
MS woman archer with bow and arrow, aiming at one of several targets. She lets fly, and the arrow leaves the frame. This is outdoors on a sunny day in what looks like a summer camp 01:15:10 MS small boy with bow and arrow, man beside him showing him how to hold the bow, draw his arm back, etc. The kid takes an awkward shot at the distant target 01:15:21 LS line of archers from first shot (thought these are all men). It's clearly a competition, and the nearest man takes a graceful shot
Playing Ping Pong Popular
LS older man and woman playing ping pong outdoors (she's not so old, could be the man's daughter). A false starts results in a bizarre aperture change, as the cameraman makes an adjustment. Play begins again, and they make a few shots back and forth as a few friends look on, lounging in patio chairs 01:17:50 (CSL 383-33) WS numerous ping pong tales lined up outdoors, lots of games going on at once. a pan and wide shot reveals a lake with canoes, suggesting a resort 01:18:02 (CSL 383-38) back to father and daughter as before
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 14, 1973
[00.43.17] Senator WEICKER. NOW, let, us move to January 1973. 1 would like to ask a question here. Am I correct in gathering from your testimony that you never spoke or met with Mr. Haldeman from June 18, 1972, to January of 1973? Mr. MAGRUDER. No; that is not. correct, I spoke with him on numerous occasions and met with him on numerous occasions but did not discuss the Watergate situation in substantive detail. We talked about it. I can recall once or twice talking to him about it as a problem, but not in the same sense; more as to handling it from the campaign standpoint in relation to charges made. by Senator McGovern or whatever. Senator WEICKER. Well, now, in your conversation on June, 18 with Mr. Haldeman, his last instruction to you was to get back to Washington, was it not? Mr. MAGRUDER. Yes, sir. Senator WEICKER. And to get things in hand. Mr. MAGRUDER. Yes, sir. Senator WEICKER. And you went back to Washington? Mr. MAGRUDER. Yes, Sir. Senator WEICKER. Now, after you got, back to Washington and surveyed the scene, did you get back in touch with Mr. Haldeman? Mr. MAGRUDER. No; I got back in touch with Mr. Strachan the Monday night. Well, I talked with Mr. Strachan on Monday. As a matter of fact, he was in Washington, and of course after our meeting on Monday night and after I destroyed the Gemstone file, I related those facts to Mr. Strachan not to Mr. Haldeman. Senator WEICKER. I see. So that aside from incidental matters relating to the campaign, there was no real discussion between yourself and Mr. Haldeman as to the break-in at the, Watergate and related activities between June 18 and January of 1973? Mr. MAGRUDER. To be Very specific, Senator, Mr. Haldeman. an. the way I worked with him when I worked with him and later when I worked for Mr. Mitchell, is I worked strictly through Gordon Strachan in this case,, or one of his assistants, Only when he called me did I respond. I cannot even recall any time, that I initiated a call to Mr. Haldeman. Senator WEICKER. All right. Mr. MAGRUDER. Except In the January meeting , when I requested an interview. Senator WEICKER. _Now we move to January 1970 and the meeting with Mr. Haldeman. The main purpose of this meeting, as I gather it,, was to talk about jobs, for Mr. Porter and yourself is that, correct? Mr. MAGRUDER. Yes, sir. Senator WEICKER. Now. you have heard Mr. Sloan's testimony in which he said in response to a question that I asked him that it did Produce discussion on his part, the statement, of policy On the case was that no individual who had become a Watergate figure or prominent Government official would be placed In office until the issue was totally resolved. Mr. MAGRUDER. Yes. sir. Senator WEICKER. Can you give me any indication as to why this general policy was excepted in your case? Mr. MAGRUDER. 1 did not know that was the general policy , Senator. Senator WEICKER. Well, what was nature of the conversation between you and 'Mr. Haldeman on jobs? Mr. MAGRUDER. Well, the nature of the discussion was basically, they had considered sending me to the Senate for confirmation for One or two jobs that required Senate confirmation. During that discussion he and I agreed that at this time--at that time--it would be inappropriate to go through that process. We both agreed to that. And so as an interim measure, we agreed to a position that turned out to be Director of Policy Development at the Commerce Department. which happened to be a level 4 job that did not require Senate confirmation And we did not discuss, I think, that job at that time,. We discussed the prospects of that kind of a job as an interim measure until the Watergate situation had been completely Settled. Senator WEICKER. Then after the conversation about jobs was over With. did you Indicate to him your concern about the Watergate matter? Mr. MAGRUDER. It was the other way around, Senator, I Initiated the discussion on the Subject of the Watergate because of what I considered to be beginning memory of difficulties on the part of some of the. participants that I thought could have related to my own particulars situation. Senator WEICKER. And you related it to him at that time in January? Mr. MAGRUDER. Yes, Sir. Senator WEICKER. The situation as to the Watergate, as to what was going on, relative to your participation and the story being contrived? Mr. MAGRUDER. Yes, and it was particularly at that time also in relation Mr. Porter because he was having difficulty with the personnel department at the White House and I wanted to be sure Mr. Haldeman understood how cooperative Mr. Porter had been. Senator WEICKER. Was this before or--was this conversation with Mr. Haldeman before or after the trial? Mr. MAGRUDER. It was before the trial before the inauguration, sometime early in January, after the first of the year. [00.48.54]
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 14, 1973 - Jeb Magruder Testimony
U.S. Senator Lowell Weicker (R-CT): "So that Mr. Haldeman knew before the trial that perjury was being committed?" Deputy Director of the Committee to Re-Elect the President Jeb Magruder: "Yes, that would be correct. He knew that my statements-- well, after the trial he knew that perjury was committed, I think, Senator, might it be more appropriate. In other words, I hadn't made those statements until the trial, and then at the trial he would have, if he read the trial statements, known that perjury had been committed. That may have been a fine difference but that---" Sen. Weicker: "Let's be very specific. The trial was not over, is that correct?" Mr. Magruder: "As I recall, the trial had just begun. I had not testified." Sen. Weicker: "That is correct. And your meeting with Mr. Haldeman was before the trial was over?" Mr. Magruder: "Yes, sir." Sen. Weicker: "And the story you told him, you told him before the trial was over?" Mr. Magruder: "That's correct." Sen. Weicker: "So Mr. Haldeman knew that perjury was going to be committed?" Mr. Magruder: "Was going to be committed and, of course, did not know that it had been committed until after the trial." Senator Weicker: "But he did know that perjury was going to be committed?" Mr. Magruder: "Yes, I think that would be correct." Sen. Weicker: "Now, on the March 29 meeting... let me, ask you one other thing: on the meeting in January, do you feel that that meeting was taped? The January meeting?" Mr. Magruder: "I'm not sure. I don't think that meeting was taped. I think all subsequent meetings that I had with either Mr. Haldeman, Mr. Ehrlichman, and I gather meetings I had with Mr. Dean from that time on were taped but I don't have the taped transcripts so I don't specifically know which meetings were or were not taped." Sen. Weicker: "The March 29th meeting---" Mr. Magruder: "I know that was taped." Sen. Weicker: "Do you know who is in possession of those tapes?" Mr. Magruder: "I don't know, personally. I think the prosecutors or Mr. Haldeman's lawyer. I'm just not sure. I do know those were--" Magruder confers briefly with his lawyer. "Possibly, Senator, this committee has those tapes, I don't know." Sen. Weicker: "Beg your pardon?" Mr. Magruder: "Possibly this committee has those tapes, Senator. I do know tapes have been produced and discussed in depositions."
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 14, 1973 - Jeb Magruder
U.S. Senator Lowell Weicker (R-CT): "In other words, attitudes that were prevalent in the White House and brought over to the Committee To Re-Elect the President." Deputy Director of the Committee to Re-Elect the President (CREEP) Jeb Magruder: "That's correct." Senator Weicker: "I just would then like to make my parting shot in the commendation to you because I think you really squared this on that one, that I don't know who in governmental sense thought that the Constitution of the United States wasn't up to it. I don't know who thought that in an election sense the American people weren't up to it, but would you say at this point in time that, left alone, those things will work pretty well? They don't have to be added to?" Magruder: "I could not agree more with you, Senator, now." Senate Select Committee members seated in row: Sen. Weicker, Senator Edward Gurney (R-FL), Minority Counsel Fred Thompson, Senator Howard Baker (R-TN), Senator and Committee Chairman Sam Ervin (D-NC), and Majority Counsel Samuel Dash; adult Caucasian male staffers seated in BG, adult Caucasian press and photographers in FG. Sen. Ervin recognizes U.S. Senator Herman Talmadge (D-GA). Sen Talmadge: "Mr. Magruder, you have been forthright and candid in testimony before this committee and I congratulate you it. I was handed a book written by Woodrow Wilson, 'The New Freedom,' during the noon hour, written in 1913, 60 years ago, and I think two quotations from that book are particularly in order at this point. I read from page 111, chapter six: 'Let There Be Light.' 'The concern of patriotic men is to put our Government again on its right basis by substituting the popular will for the rule of gaudiness, the processes of common counsel for those of private arrangement. In order to do this, a first necessity is to open the doors and let in the light on all affairs which the people have a right to know about. In the first place, it is necessary to open up all of the processes of our politics. They have been too secret, too complicated, too roundabout, they have consisted too much of private conferences and secret understandings.' Then on page 113: 'If there is nothing to conceal, then why conceal it? If it's a public game, why play it in private? If it is a public game, then why not come out in the open and play it in public?' Don't you find that passage particularly appropriate in light of today's problems with which we are confronted?" Magruder: "I would agree with you, Senator."
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 14, 1973
[00.18.20] ****SEE RESTRICTION FIELD IN RIGHTS SECTION****** LEHRER asks KRAMER, as an attorney, he's used to seeing this kind of thing in courtrooms rather than public hearings, does he agree with BARTH's assessment of the decay of American public and political ethics? KRAMER says he certainly agrees, and that instrumental ethics in politics are dangerous. States that it's good for the American people that the narrative came out in a hearing, because in a disjointed and closed trial, it's possible that much of this would not have come to light in an understandable way. LEHRER asks what was learned today, legally speaking. KRAMER says it's clear the prosecution has a very strong conspiracy indictment that can be built, and that the forthcoming testimony of STRACHAN and DEAN will only add to this. MacNEILL asks KRAMER how he feels as a law professor about revelations about the conduct of his fellow attorneys as revealed in the hearings. KRAMER. states it is very distressing that lawyers as well as politicians think of ends justifying means. MacNEILL thanks the guest commentators. States that outside events have been impacting the progress of the hearings. Introduces interview of Sam DASH by reporter Peter KAYE. [00.20.15--KAYE with DASH in vacated committee room] KAYE asks DASH about the revelation of the discovery by NIXON's private secretary Rosemary WOODS of the Pre-April 7 contributions list, and how it will affect the proceedings. DASH states that there may be a misunderstanding, and that people have perhaps forgotten that part of the committee's mandate is to investigate all aspects of the 1972 political campaign, including financing and contributions. It should be clear that the committee has been calling witnesses only to testify about the Watergate, but that STANS and SLOAN will be called back to another set of committee hearings in the fall to discuss financing. The public should understand that the present set is only related to Watergate and the Coverup, and that the mission for now is to present the facts in those areas clearly, while a second set of hearings will deal with campaign contributions and political espionage. KAYE. asks about the conflict with Special Prosecutor Archibald Cox. Asks if the testimony of witnesses like MAGRUDER jeopardizes any other defendants' right to a fair trial. DASH denies this, says the Courts agree, and that the ruling is that public testimony is not a jeopardy, because of the time lapse between the hearings and indictments (three more months) and trial (possibly six more months) of the conspirators. [00.23.09--MacNEILL in studio] MacNEILL states that DASH also told KAYE that, absent surprises, the next 5 witnesses called will be : John DEAN, Herbert KALMBACH, Anthony ULASEWICZ, Fred LaRUE, and Gordon STRACHAN. LEHRER states that since the Senators have offered judgements of MAGRUDER'S performance as a witness, they can pass on the task and proceed to digest the testimony of the "calm, articulate young man", States that MAGRUDER'S testimony should put to rest the idea that WATERGATE was a media invention, since the number 2 man in the Nixon Campaign has admitted that many important people have been implicated in illegal and unethical activities. While there will be many more months of dispute over the details, at this point, three days from the year anniversary of the Watergate arrests, that everyone knows, once and for all, that it really did happen. Second, there is finally some believable light shed on the attitude of many in the NIXON White House to "fight fire with fire" against protesters, and other political enemies. Signs off. [00.25.50--sponsor credits, PBS Network ID] [00.26.16--TAPE OUT]
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 14, 1973
[00.59.30] Senator TALMADGE. Yet, Do You also reaffirm to this committee that Mr. Strachan, who was a White House liaison man for Mr., Haldeman, assigned to your committee had knowledge of these affairs and had daily reports' from you to him concerning them ? Mr. MAGRUDER. Yes sir. Not daily reports relating to the Watergate though, Senator. He had daily reports totally on many subjects. Watergate only occurred on periodic bases. Senator TALMADGE. He did have Information concerning the Watergate before and after; is that, correct? Mr. MAGRUDER. Yes, sir. That is correct. Senator TALMADGE. NOW, to what extent was Mr. Haldeman involved in the Watergate affair. either preplanning or subsequent thereto? Mr. MAGRUDER. As I have indicated before, Senator, to my knowledge, my dealings were only with Mr. Strachan at the White House and Mr. Dean. I am not privileged to the conversations or memos that that, went between Mr. Dean and Mr. Strachan and Mr. Haldeman or any ally" other official at the White House, so I Simply do not know, first discussion with Mr. Haldeman relating to this matter was the Sunday after the break-in and. again, I did not have any further discussions with him until January at which time we discussed it in relation to our employment, so it is very difficult for me to directly relate anything other than what I have already testified to, Senator. Senator TALMADGE. You had assumed since Mr. Strachan was Mr. Haldeman's personal representative, liaison 131,111. the memorandums that you prepared for Mr. Strachan were being delivered to Mr. Haldeman? I Mr. MAGRUDER. I think I mentioned this morning--mentioned that before. Mr. Strachan, because I had seen them a number of times, not with reference to Watergate or intelligence gathering, was simply an update report that he Would prepare for Mr. Haldeman and I do not know how often he prepared it and that would, In capsule form, indicate that the campaign committee as an example. had agreed to do a direct mail campaign for the State of New Hampshire in the primary at a cost of a $100,000. He may. might have., attached backup material which might have boon a memo from one of our staff people to 'Mr. Mitchell on that subject or he might not. It -was his discretion but he did not, send the raw reports to Mr. Haldeman. I know that. He always capsulized it in a memo form because I saw that report numerous times during the campaign. Senator TALMADGE. AS I understood it. Hie President had two counselors one was Mr. Colson and the other was Mr. Dean. Mr. MAGRUDER. Mr. Colson. I think. was special counsel to the President. That is not a legal position, Mr. Dean's role was counsel to the President, and was a legal position. Senator TALMADGE. You testified this morning that Mr. Dean was intimately involved in both the planning the execution, and the coverup? Mr. MAGRUDER. Yes, sir, Senator TALMADGE. Now, to what extent was Mr. Colson involved? Mr. MAGRUDER. To my direct knowledge only through the telephone conversations that he had with me and some references to that matter that his assistant, Mr. Howard, had relating particularly to Howard Hunt. We did not discuss the specific Watergate wiretapping directly, I did not, with Mr. Colson, other than his admonition his to me to in effect get On the stick and get the Liddy project approved so we can get the information from Mr. O'Brien, something to that effect, Senator TALMADGE. I believe you testified that he urged immediate execution go forward at an early date. Mr. MAGRUDER. Yes. sir. Senator TALMADGE. Now, to what extent was Mr. Kleindienst then Attorney General, involved ? Mr. MAGRUDER. To my knowledge to no extent. I never had any discussions with Mr. Kleindienst on this matter. Senator TALMADGE. YOU have no personal knowledge of his involvement either by hearsay, memorandum. or otherwise Mr. MAGRUDER. No, Sir. Senator TALMADGE. Now, to what extent was Mr., Stans, involved? Mr. MAGRUDER. To my knowledge, to no extent before April--before June 17. Other than as chairman of the committee being aware of the cash disbursements that were being made to Mr. Liddy. Now, on June 24, 1 think it was, on a Saturday we did meet and discuss the, Watergate problem with him and my best recollection is we didn't 'go into specifies that Mr. Mitchell and I were involved but that simply Mr. Liddy was involved and we thought there would be, problems that would create a situation -where Mr. Stans would probably be--eventually have to terminate, Mr. Liddy, and that there were problems with Mr. 'Sloan as to the amounts of money----- [01.04.14--TAPE OUT]
Panama Invasion - Operation Just Cause
OH-58A helicopter in flight; wall in foreground.
Panama invasion - Operation Just Cause
Adult Panamanian male prisoner, arms tied behind back, walks with adult Caucasian male U.S. Army soldier. Prisoner stands in place while soldiers walk around him; basketball court in BG. Adult African American male soldier searches prisoner, going through his wallet.