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August 4, 1994 - Part 9
(19:10:01) Now, that's Tuesday, August 2nd. The third one was the one that we read here which came from the diary of Mr. Steiner. "After Howell Rains from The New York Times called to say that they were going to write a brutal editorial, Roger Altman decided to recuse himself. Harold and George then called to say that BC"- --Bill Clinton I guess-was furious. They also asked how Jay Ste- 415 phens, the former USA, 'U.S. Attorney,' had been hired to be Outside Counsel in the case. Simply outrageous that RTC had hired him, but even more amazing, when George then suggested to me that we needed to find a way to get rid of him, persuaded George that firing him would be incredibly stupid and improper," Now, do those three refresh your recollection at all with regard to these matters? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Well, there's nothing new there, sir. I would just say in all three instances, first of all, I had never directed anyone at the RTC to do anything, just get that down as a fact. Number two, as I read Mr. Altman's Senator HATCH. You did talk to Mr. Altman. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. As I read Mr. Altman's two pages here, what he seems to be saying is that simply bringing up the subject of Jay Stephens in any way was unwise. I understand his feeling there, but I certainly didn't direct anybody to do anything. I don't know when the conversation with Ms. Hanson and Mr. Steiner occurred, so I can't respond to it in any way. What I can say, it may have happened before he ever talked to me for all I know. I just simply don't know. Senator HATCH. Was somebody else at the White House who did these things? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Again, I had one brief conversation with Mr. Steiner about this subject. What 1 would go on to say is I've never met Ms. Hanson. I've never directed or asked her to do anything. I never met Ms. Kulka. I never directed or asked her to do anything. I have never directed anyone to do anything of this kind. I did grant that I got angry about Jay Stephens when I asked how he was hired. I did get angry. I testified to that, I've said that in public dozens of times. I've said it under sworn testimony several times as well. And I would point out that all of these people that you point out have given sworn testimony to the Office of Government Ethics, to the Special Counsel Mr. Fiske, to the House Committee on Banking, to the Senate Committee on Banking, all of them Senator HATCH. Let me interrupt you there. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Let me finish my sentence. The Office of Government Ethics found no ethical violations and Mr. Fiske found no criminal violations of any way. So the suggestion that in any way I did direct anyone to do anything like this is simply wrong. Senator HATCH. Mr. Stephanopoulos, the fact of the matter is that these questions weren't asked by Special Counsel, and I'm asking them. I've asked them throughout this proceeding because I'm concerned about what happened. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Mr. Fiske asked me all about this area. Senator HATCH. Frankly, it looks to me like dissembling. Somebody is lying here. Either Steiner is lying or Altman is lying or Ms. Hanson is lying or somebody else. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I don't agree with that, sir. Senator HATCH. Let me just say this: I'm not reaching any conclusions, but have you-did you or Mr. Ickes ever review Title 18 USC 1505? That's the Federal Obstruction of Justice statute. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Mr. Fiske fully reviewed it and found absolutely no 416 Senator HATCH. Did you and Mr. Ickes review it together? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. No, sir. Senator HATCH. They could all three be lying, I suppose. That' what's bothering a lot of us up here. There are all kinds of inconsistencies. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. There are no inconsistencies in my state- whatsoever. Senator HATCH. There sure is between these three things what you're saying here today. And I don't know who's telling the truth here, but somebody is not telling the truth. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Mr. Fiske asked all of these people all of these questions, sir, and he found absolutely no criminal violation. All of these questions have been covered Senator HATCH. I submit to you that Mr. Fiske did not do a good job in this area and he didn't ask some of these questions and he didn't go into it and pursue it the way he s hould have pursued. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I don't know how you know that. Senator HATCH. How do you know it? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I was asked questions by Mr. Fiske. Senator HATCH. What bothers me is we're asking the questions and we're getting the answers, except you deny it. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I give you my testimony as I've always done. Senator HATCH. Mr. Stephanopoulos, let me say this. Joshua Steiner has testified that sometime during the week of February 14th, he received a telephone call from John Podesta or from Mr. Podesta's assistant, Todd Stern, regarding the RTC's hiring of Jay Stephens. When did you first learn about the hiring of Jay Stephens? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Much later than that. Either the 24th or the 25th. Senator HATCH. It was at or near the time these calls were made? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Yes. Mr. PODESTA. Senator, I feel compelled to correct the record. Senator HATCH. Sure. I'd feel glad to have you do it, John. Go ahead. Mr. PODESTA. I did not learn of Mr. Stephens' hiring until, at the earliest, the night of the 24th or the morning of the 25th, so I do not believe that Mr. Steiner's testimony can be correct on that point. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Hatch, the time has run. If you had one follow-up right here, I would certainly permit it.
Africa - Hunter looks / Hippopotamus
LS photographer and young black guide stand, backs to camera, facing a herd of elephants on African plain. Photographer takes a picture of the elephants. White 50-60 year-old male hunter (?) with binoculars around his neck stands amidst a group of pygmies (?). Group of hunters and guides tow dead hippo out of river. MS hunters/guides trying to tie something down to a tree with a chain. MS OTS photographer with camera on tripod as he photographs two Rhinoceroses.
Tension Increases
Tension Increases Tension along the Berlin Wall between East and West Berlin increases dangerously as East German soldiers reinforce the barricade through which more and more desperate people are escaping from the Soviet sector into Free West Berlin. Rack focus from barbed wire fence to guards on patrol. Sign reads HALT MINEN - with danger skull images. Mine fields. Soldiers look through binoculars. German officials and soldiers put barbed wire and fence posts into place at Berlin Wall.
August 4, 1994 - Part 9
(19:15:22) Senator HATCH. I do have one follow-up and I'll have to do the rest later. The CHAIRMAN. I will protect your time later, so it's not as if you will not have other opportunities. Senator HATCH. I appreciate that. Mr. Stephanopoulos, is it your testimony under oath before the Congress that you never told, requested, asked or suggested that Mr. Steiner or Mr. Altman find a way to fire or get rid of Mr. Stephens? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I don't remember saying anything like that at all. 417 Senator.HATCH. Do you deny that you said anything like that or had any conversation along those lines? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I have testified that I had a conversation asking how Jay Stephens came to be hired. I have testified that I got angry during that conversation. Senator HATCH. You don't have a recollection, but do you deny it? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Again, I have no recollection of saying anything like that in the conversation. Senator HATCH. I've got to tell you that saying I don't remember, I don't have a recollection doesn't suffice because this is an important matter. If you hadn't done such a thing, you would certainly know it. Had you done such a thing, you would certainly remember. I don't want to hold people to absolute recollection Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I know that I never directed anyone to take any action to impede an investigation. Senator DAMATO. That's not the question. You've been ducking this question now and ducking it and ducking it Senator DODD, He's answered the question. Senator DAMATO. No, he has not. Senator DODD. I think he has. Senator DAMATO. He has not. He's suggesting, but he hasn't answered the question. Senator DODD. Let him answer the question again. Senator HATCH. Let me put it one more time and you say whatever you want to. I want you to search our memory and I want to ask you one more time, under oath, did you ever tell, request, ask or suggest that Mr. Steiner or Mr. Altman or anybody else for that matter, find a way to fire or get rid of Mr. Stephens? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I never directed anyone to impede with that investigation in any way. Senator HATCH. Did you ever ask Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I never directed anyone to do anything like that. I have testified to my conversation. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Dodd. Senator DODD. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Let me just quickly ask by the way, what is Mr. Stephens doing today? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. He's investigating the matter of Madison Guaranty. Senator DODD. So he's still on the job. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Yes, sir. Senator DODD. I have three areas of concern, Mr. Chairman, that I think these witnesses can be of help to us. The first is the socalled pressure issue. I hate to use those words, but those seem to be the words that have become operative in regard to Mr. Altman. The second issue that I want to pursue is with you, Mr. Ickes, regarding the February 2nd meeting and the issue of what Mr. Altman said in that meeting regarding the statute of limitations and the date of February 28th, the date when the statute would run out. The third set of issues that this group of four witnesses can be of help with, is the issue of Mr. Altman's testimony before this Committee on the 24th of February and the issue regarding the ab- 418 sence of any reference to the recusal issue and the two other meet ings that occurred. So those are the three sets of issues. Quickly with regard to the first one, the so-called pressure issue, I'll ask all of You if You want to just quickly comment on this. I'm looking at a letter written that's been provided to us, from Mr. Altman to the President of the United States, and I gather it was sent on February 25th or there abouts. I won't read the whole letter, Mr. Chairman. I'll ask that it be included in the record. The CHAIRMAN. Without objection, it's so ordered. Senator DODD. In referencing the February 2nd meeting, Mr. Altman says to the President "the decision to have that meeting with your staff was dumb, and I take full responsibility for it." Let me ask the witnesses, is there any doubt in any of your minds that the holding of that meeting-I don't know if I want to use the word "dumb" or not, Mr. Altman's word, but it was certainly a mistake Mr. Lindsey. Mr. LINDSEY. I wouldn't disagree with Mr. Altman's assessment, Senator DODD. Mr. Podesta. Mr. PODESTA. I agree with Mr. Cutler and Mr. Altman. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I wish it hadn't happened. Mr. ICKES. Likewise. Senator DODD. Let me say on this point, Mr. Chairman, because we've heard a lot of testimony back and forth on this issue, and I fully respect that different colleagues can arrive at different conclusions about this. I think it's worthwhile to note for those who may not be as familiar with who Mr. Altman is and his background, that he had been confirmed by the Senate, worked in a previous Administration in the 1980's, spent some 11 or 12 years on Wall Street as an investment banker, and had come back into this Administration. He is 48 years old; he's not 28. He's an adult, and has been through a number of different processes. A lot of things can happen, and a lot of people know this person. I think I've met him twice, frankly.