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August 4, 1994 - Part 5
(13:35:27) What did Mr. Altman say about that process? MS. WILLIAMS. Well, from my testimony, and that quote, I believe, kind of summarizes it. Once again, let me tell you the gist of it, as I recall, was that the RTC staff, the process would be that the RTC staff would make a recommendation to him if he did not recuse himself or the RTC staff would make a recommendation to someone else in the RTC. That is essentially what I took away from the meeting. I was not focused on the details, but generally I understood what that meant. Senator DOMENICI. Did you pass that information on to the First Lady? Ms. WILLIAMS. No. I saw no reason to. Senator DOMENICI. But essentially your interpretation was that if Mr. Altman was still the head of the RTC, he would be the one making the decision as to whether they would be asked to waive the statute of limitations or not; is that correct? MS. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir, but let me clarify here. My understanding was, in addition, from Mr. Altman, was that whatever recommendation the RTC staff would make, he was likely to accept that recommendation. Senator DOMENICI. I understand. Ms. WILLIAMS. OK Senator DOMENICI. And that's what puzzles me so much. Why all the concern if in fact he had indicated they were going to make the decision and he wasn't? In your opinion, given what you heard and saw, why was the White House so concerned about his not recusing himself? Ms. WILLIAMS. Well, sir, I won't speak to the opinions of others, but since I was in that meeting and I suggested by my question to Mr. Altman that it didn't make any sense to me, if he was going to accept the recommendation from good staff work, why he would recuse. To me it was just a commonsense question. Here he's to accept the recommendation. The RTC staff has been involved, they know what's going on and he is going to look to staff that has been involved to accept or-to accept or reject the recommendation. And his view was at the time that he was likely to accept whatever their recommendation might be. My questions sprang from kind of common sense, why would you have to recuse then? Senator DOMENICI. So you found out that he did in fact recuse himself later on? 343 MS. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. I did. Senator DOMENICI. And I gather that you know that he recused himself after the statute of limitations had been extended? Ms. WILLIAMS. I believe I know that, now subsequently, yes. Senator DOMENICI. Thank you very much. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you. Senator Boxer, Senator BOXER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, as I understand Senator Gramm's statement and please, someone correct me if I don't accurately recall it-he said that Altman "dealt with the criminal matters on the 29th meeting." Now, that was the meeting that was held on the Waco situation where Ms. Hanson has testified that she told Mr. Nussbaum that he was going to have to deal with press leaks regarding the criminal referrals. And Senator Gramm says Altman dealt with the criminal matters. I think it's important to note, number one, that Mr. Altman testified to us that he didn't send Ms. Hanson to that meeting. I think it's also important to note that Ms. Hanson said she never saw the criminal referrals, that she didn't present the criminal referrals to anyone and I think it's important to note that as far as I can tell no one that appeared before us with the White House or with Treasury ever saw the criminal referrals. Mr. McLarty, have you ever seen the criminal referrals? Mr. McLARTY. No, I have not, Senator Boxer. Senator BOXER. Ms. Williams, have you ever seen the criminal referrals? Ms. WILLIAMS. No, Senator, I have not. Senator BOXER. To your knowledge, has the President or the First Lady seen the criminal referrals, Ms. Williams? MS. WILLIAMS. No. To my knowledge, they have not. Senator BOXER. And how about you, Mr. McLarty? Mr. MCLARTY, To my knowledge, they have not. Senator BOXER. I want to go to Mr. Altman's diary one more time. Ms. Williams, what you have said is that you have no memory of saying to Mr. Altman, "The First Lady is paralyzed over Whitewater." Is that correct? MS. WILLIAMS. That's correct, Senator, Senator BOXER. And you have stated that you would not say that to anyone? Ms. WILLIAMS. I have stated that it seems inconsistent with who I am and how I operate to have said that. Senator BOXER. But you did tell this Committee, I thought in a very articulate way, that you told almost anyone who would listen who was within the Administration or very close to the Administration that you thought there was too much time being spent on Whitewater, that it was diverting the First Lady, the President, and the White House staff from the country's agenda that you seem to care very much about; is that correct?
Sports: Football - Navy 21, Army 15
Postponed by the assassination, the Army-Navy game draws 100,000 to Philadelphia. Before the game they play a silent tribute to the martyred President Kennedy. The underdog Army team almost pulls an upset as they threaten the Navy goal-line in the last seconds of play, but the clock runs out but not before there is 60 minutes of bang up, thrill-packed football. Philadelphia, PA Everything is at a stand still in the Philadelphia stadium because the fans are paying a silent tribute to the slain President Kennedy. OHS - The crowd and their very still. MLS - Navy and Army are on the football field. MS - Army carries the ball in for a touchdown, Army leads. MS - The Army cadets are cheering in the stands some are waving their hat in joy. MS - Roger Staubach, Navy quarterback passes and it brings the ball to the 12-yard line. MS - Roger was going to pass but saw no available so he ran the ball himself and got it to the 4-yard line. MS - The ball is handed off and it is carried over the goal line and it is the first of four touchdowns. MCUS - Scoreboard, Army 7 - Navy 7. MS - Pat Donnelly scores for Navy in the second quarter and in the fourth it's Donnelly once more and Navy hold a 21 to 7 margin.
Sports Highlights of 1963
Audio goes in and out Nineteen sixty-three was a golden year in sports and here are many of the highlights. Every sport scored high in 1963. Baseball enjoyed a gala season from opening day when President Kennedy threw out the first ball. President John F. Kennedy throws out the first pitch (right handed pitcher) at the DC Stadium and it is snagged by a Washington baseball player. MLS - Overlooking the crowd at a baseball stadium. In the World Series, Sandy Koufax starred as he fanned 15 batters in the first game. The Dodgers won in 4 straight games and it was Koufax again, in the last game who reduced the mighty Yankees bats to toothpicks. In golf, Jack Nicklaus won the Masters Crown to fulfill the promise he had made the previous year in winning the Open Crown. The U.S. Open was won by Julius Boros who first won the crown 11 years earlier. Don Schollander, 17, made a big splash in the swimming world by setting a record in the 200 meter freestyle. Don Schollander is getting ready to swim the 1500 freestyle event, he dives into the pool and he wins 1:59 triumph. John Pennel became the first man to break 17 feet in the pole vault. John Pennel comes running down the track with his fiberglass pole, he goes over his mark by 2 1/2 inches. CUS - John Pennel smiling. C.K. Yang smashed the ten-event Decathlon record by scoring an unbelievable 9, 121 points. MS - Runners coming down the track. MS - A jumper taking on the high jump. MS - A shot putter lets go of the ball. MS - The Javelin. MCUS - C.K. Yang shaking hands with officials. "Chateaugay" won the Kentucky Derby by outrunning the favorites and then continued his winning ways by copping The Belmont. Mighty "Kelso" was named "Horse Of The Year" for the 4th time. The Kentucky Derby and "Chateaugay" is the winner by 2 1/2 lengths. MS - Chateaugay in the winning circle and the winning blanket is draped over him. The Toronto Maple Leafs defeated the Detroit Red Wings to take hockey's Stanley Cup once more. Loyola and the University of Cincinnati battled into overtime before Loyola came up with the winning basket.
August 4, 1994 - Part 5
(13:40:38) Ms. WILLIAMS. Yes, I was outspoken on the matter, Senator BOXER. So that it is possible that someone hearing you, perhaps, wax eloquent on the point-and I think you can. wax eloquent on the point and you did before us several times-might have taken away an inference that the country's agenda could be 344 paralyzed if this thing continued? Not to quibble over a word, but in essence the country's agenda could be paralyzed or could be stopped cold because too many people were having too many meetings, as Mr. Cutler said, about this matter? Would that be a fair characterization? MS. WILLIAMS. Yes, Senator, that would be fair. Senator BOXER. Well, Mr. Chairman, I think we've gone around and about with these witnesses. I think that the President and the First Lady have been well served. In a closing question, I would say to Mr. McLarty, now that Mr. Panetta is Chief of Staff, have you shared any of the lessons that. you learned from this whole situation? I And you were very open and honest with this Committee in telling us you believe it should have been handled differently or better, in a more streamlined fashion. Have you shared those thoughts with Mr. Panetta? Mr. MCLARTY. Chief of Staff Panetta, of course, was involved in the White House as Director of OMB and I think that's one of the things we did very well. We've had several discussions, not just specifically about this matter, although it included that, but other operations, decisionmaking at the White House. Chief of Staff Panetta is a good Californian and he will be an able-he is an able Chief of Staff. Senator BOXER. In answer to my question, have you discussed some of the management tools that you have at your disposal, perhaps some ways to handle this type of an incident in a better way, an incident that occurred many years ago that happened before the President was President? Have you discussed perhaps some of your insights on how to better handle the situation? Mr. McLARTY. Yes, Senator, we have and also of course Mr. Cutler's report addresses that in a very specific way and outlines specific steps which have already been implemented at this point. Senator BOXER. Mr. Chairman, I have to say one thing that I really learned today. As we seek to find the truth, it is worth noting that sometimes the truth is elusive because to one person, intense pressure is just a rough conversation. You know, I grew UP in New York, I grew up in Brooklyn and there's a way that people talk in New York and in Brooklyn, in the way they express themselves, that's a little bit different from the way people talk in Cali- fornia and now I'm a combination of both, so I don't know how talk. But the bottom The CHAIRMAN. I'd say there's a little of Brooklyn left. Senator BOXER. Well, they say you can never take Brooklyn out of the girl although you can take the girl out of Brooklyn. This is true. But I would say this: We have listened to Mr. McLarty. Indeed, I think all of us in this Committee, Republicans and Democrats, have probably spoken with Mr. McLarty. Mr. McLarty' as Chief of Staff, I would say you were as close to the President of the United States as you could get. Did you at that time speak with him every single day, would you say? Mr. McLARTY. Generally I did, if he were here. Senator BOXER. Probably a few times unless he was out of the country? 345 Mr. McLARTY. Unless he was traveling or something of that nature but generally every day. Senator BOXER. Tell me again, what did you say to Mr. Altman when he asked you about recusing himself from this issue? Mr. MCLARTY. I listened politely and encouraged Mr. Altman to make the decision he felt was the right one. Senator BOXER. Well, Mr. Chairman, that doesn't sound like intense pressure. It sounds like respect, it sounds like understanding. I thank you very much for your clear answers, both of you, and I am very glad that you both are where you are. The CHAIRMAN. I might just say before your time is gone, it also sounds like Mack McLarty. I think that advice he gave is consistent with at least the individual that I know him to be, so I'm not surprised that that would be his advice. Senator BOXER. And, Mr. Chairman, if I might say, it says a lot about Bill Clinton, who chose Mack McLarty. Mr. McLARTY. Thank you. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Faircloth. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'd like to follow up on Senator Hatch's line of questioning. On Tuesday, Roger Altman testified-this question is to you, Ms. Williams.
Johnson At United Nations
Johnson At United Nations. President Lyndon Johnson addresses the United Nations General Assembly and sets forth a declaration of his new administration's policy in world affairs. His arrival is shielded by a tight security guard but he receives a standing ovation by the delegates. He reaffirms United States support for the United Nations and outlines the aims of his administration. Mainly an end to the cold war and to conquer hunger, disease and ignorance. New York, NY President Johnson arrives at the United Nations with tons of security surrounding him as he's walking into the building. MLS - Secretary General U Thant welcomes the President shaking his hand. MS - The General Assembly gives President Johnson a standing ovation. MOHS - The General Assembly standing and applauding President Johnson. President Lyndon Baines Johnson, "The United States of America wants to see the Cold War end. We want to see it end for once and for all. The United States wants to prevent the dissemination of nuclear weapons to nations, not now processing them. The United States wants to press on with arms control and reduction. The United States want to cooperate with all the members of this organization, to conquer everywhere the ancient enemies of mankind, hunger and decease and ignorance. The United States wants sanity and security and peace for all. And above all, President Kennedy, I'm sure, would regard as his best memorial, the fact that in his three years as President, the world became a little safer and the way ahead became a little brighter." The General Assembly receives President Johnson by giving him a standing ovation.