News in Brief: Washington, Japanese Treaty Ratified. The U.S. and Japan are officially at peace after ten years, as John Foster Dulles, architect of the treaty, attends ceremony at which ratified treaty is presented by Japanese envoy. Dulles, acting Secretary of State Webb, and a Japanese representative pose around the document. Shot of document, Japanese characters on the pages. Handshake between Webb and Japanese man, Dulles looking on.
News in Brief: Dominican Republic, Tropical Fashions. Stepping off a plane from Miami, a bevy of pretty models catches many a male eye as they show the latest in tropical finery. From swim suits to evening dresses, chic is the word. Outdoor crowd watches models show off clothes; informal atmosphere. Woman models casual one-piece (?) outfit with capri-length pants. One model is dressed something like the stereotypical Arab genie from a fairy tale. Various other outfits - swimsuit under some sort of jacket; evening dress; sleeveless casual dress with hat, purse, bracelets. (casual wear, daywear, pants, trousers, slacks, swim wear, bathing suit, evening wear, formal wear)
(09:55:19) Mr. WATKINS. I work in Carlsbad, California. Mr. CHERTOFF. Doing what? Mr. WATKINS. I work for Callaway Golf Company, 238 Senator SIMON. Pull the mike a little closer. Mr. WATKINS. Callaway Golf Company. Mr. CHERTOFF. When you were Assistant to the President in 1993, what were your job duties? Mr. WATKINS. I was an Assistant to the President for Management and Administration. I was providing personnel, supervising the personnel as Office of the White House and providing services to the 14 agencies of the Executive Office of the President. Mr. CHERTOFF. Were part of your responsibilities supervision of security issues at the White House? Mr. WATKINS. No, no, sir. Mr. CHERTOFF. To whom did the Security Office-I don't mean the Secret Service, but the Security Office Mr. WATKINS. The Counsel's Office. Mr. CHERTOFF. To the Counsel's Office? Mr. WATKINS. Yes. Mr. CHERTOFF. That was Mr. Nussbaum? Mr, WATKINS. That's correct. Mr. CHERTOFF. How long have you known the Clintons? Mr. WATKINS. I have known President Clinton since he was 2 years old, knew of him at 2 years old. I'm 5 years older and 7-year olds don't mess with 2-year-olds very much, but I knew who he was. My parents were friends and so I've known him since he was 2. I've known Mrs. Clinton since the mid-1970's. Mr. CHERTOFF. Is it fair to say you've been friendly with the Clintons since then going forward to the present? Mr. WATKINS. Yes, sir. Mr. CHERTOFF. Do you know Patsy Thomasson? Mr. WATKINS. I do. Mr. CHERTOFF. When did you first meet her? Mr. WATKINS. I probably met Patsy Thomasson sometime in the mid- to late 1980's, but really didn't know her well. Mr. CHERTOFF. Did there come a time when you got to know her better? Mr. WATKINS. Certainly. Not prior to coming to Washington, though. Mr. CHERTOFF. She actually worked for you in the White House; right? Mr. WATKINS. That is correct. Mr. CHERTOFF. In 1993, what was her position at the White House? Mr. WATKINS. She was the Director of the Office of Administration. Mr. CHERTOFF. How did she get hired for that job? Mr. WATKINS. She was hired by me. Mr. CHERTOFF. Why did you hire her? Mr. WATKINS. At the recommendation of some people that I knew from Arkansas. Mr. CHERTOFF. Who were those people? Mr. WATKINS. One was the Chairman of the Democratic Party, Mr. George Jernigan. She was at that time Executive Director of the State Party of Arkansas. Mr. CHERTOFF. Did anybody else recommend her to you for a job? Mr. WATKINS. I don't recall specific individuals, no, sir. 239 Mr. CHERTOFF. Nobody else you can remember? Mr. WATKINS. I think Judge Richard Arnold made a phone call to me about her, just saying that he knew her and knew she was someone that was quite professional and very good. Mr. CHERTOFF. Anybody else? Mr. WATKINS. I don't recall anyone else. Mr. CHERTOFF. Now, let me direct your attention to July 20, 1993. Did there come a time in the evening of that day that you learned that Vincent Foster's body had been discovered? Mr. WATKINS. Yes. Mr. CHERTOFF. How did you learn that? Mr. WATKINS. I was beeped and I made a phone call to the number that beeped me, and I was informed by the Secret Service that Vincent Foster had been found dead. Mr. CHERTOFF. Did you call anybody after that? Mr. WATKINS. Yes, I did. Mr. CHERTOFF. Who did you call? Mr. WATKINS. I believe I called Bill Bur-ton at the Chief of Staffs Office and told him to notify Mack McLarty. Mr. CHERTOFF. That was the Chief of Staff at that time? Mr. WATKINS. That's correct. Mr. CHERTOFF. Did you call anybody else? Mr. WATKINS. I think I made-I made a call to the Park Police that evening about asking to go to notify the family, Mr. CHERTOFF. You wanted them to come get you so you could go notify the family? Mr. WATKINS. That's correct. Mr. CHERTOFF. Why did you call the Park Police for that? Mr. WATKINS. Because I was told by the Secret Service when they called me-they gave me a number for the Park Police and I knew that that's who was doing it. Mr. CHERTOFF. You knew the Park Police were investigating the matter? Mr. WATKINS, I knew the Park Police were the ones that had found the body, yes, or had been involved at Fort Marcy. Mr. CHERTOFF. They were involved in examining the body and investigating the cause of death? Mr. WATKINS. That's my understanding, yes. Mr. CHERTOFF. In fact, a couple of Park Policemen came to pick you up; right? Mr. WATKINS. Yes. Mr. CHERTOFF. Do you remember their names? Mr. WATKINS. Mr. Rolla and Ms. Braun. Mr. CHERTOFF. They drove you over to the Foster house? Mr. WATKINS. They did. Mr. CHERTOFF. They accompanied you into the house? Mr. WATKINS. I accompanied them. Mr. CHERTOFF, On this trip, did you have a conversation with them about what they had found? Mr. WATKINS. We had a limited conversation on the trip over from my house to the Fosters. Mr. CHERTOFF. Did you discuss with them whether they had found any note or indication of motivation for suicide at the site? 240 Mr. WATKINS. Mr. Chertoff, I don't recall if I had direct conversation with them about it or if I heard it over the radio or in conversations that they were having, but I do recall that they had indicated there was not a note at the scene.
(10:00:40) Mr. CHERTOFF. Did they discuss that fact with you? Mr. WATKINS. As I said, I don't recall if Detective Rolla and I had an actual conversation about it or if I overheard it, but I did hear in the car that there was not a note found at the Mr. CHERTOFF. Now, when you got to the house, I take it there were a number of other people there? Mr. WATKINS. Yes. Mr. CHERTOFF. Members of the family? Of the Foster family? Mr. WATKINS. The sisters of Vince Foster arrived almost simultaneously to our arrival at the house, yes, Mr. CHERTOFF. Did you have a cellular phone with you? Mr. WATKINS. I did, Mr. CHERTOFF. Were you making telephone calls that evening? Mr. WATKINS. I did make some calls, yes. Mr. CHERTOFF. Did there come a point that evening that you decided to have somebody go into the White House to look for a note? Mr. WATKINS. Yes, sir. Mr. CHERTOFF. How did you come to that decision? Mr. WATKINS. There was no note at the scene. We knew that. Mr. CHERTOFF. When you say "we," you mean you learned it from the Park Police? Mr. WATKINS. 1 learned it from the Park Police, yes, and there was some general discussion at the house. It was a feeling of just why. The big question was why did Vince do this, and they looked for a note at the house. Mr. CHERTOFF. Who looked for a note at the house? Mr. WATKINS. Ms. Foster, Lisa. I learned that there was not a note at the house. So, in general discussion, again, to try to answer the why was there not a note? Why? Why did Vince do this? Did he leave a note? Perhaps he left it at his office. Mr. CHERTOFF. Who participated in this general discussion? Mr. WATKINS. I recall specifically Mr. McLarty, and I talked with Lisa Foster about it also. Mr. CHERTOFF. Did you talk to the Park Police about it? Mr. WATKINS. I did not. Mr. CHERTOFF. Did you talk to the Park Police about whether they had told members of the family that no note had been discovered at the scene of the death? Mr. WATKINS. I did not talk to them about it, no, sir. Mr. CHERTOFF. With whom did you discuss your decision to have somebody go into Mr. Foster's office to look for a note? Mr. WATKINS. As I recall, I talked with Mack McLarty about it, and I also mentioned it to Lisa Foster, that I would ask someone to look for a note. Mr. CHERTOFF. They both agreed it was a good idea? Mr. WATKINS. That's correct. Mr. CHERTOFF. Did you talk to the Park Police about it? Mr. WATKINS. I did not. Mr. CHERTOFF. Were the Park Police there at the time you made the decision to make the call? 241 Mr. WATKINS. I'm not sure. They may very well have been. There did not seem to be a lot of interest by the Park Police at the time in the office of Vince Foster, and they had not asked the familythey had not made a search for the note. They just asked the family if there was a note. Mr. CHERTOFF. I see. So you were present when the Park Police indicated to the family they were interested in learning whether there was a note at the home? Mr. WATKINS. No, I didn't say that. I said, from my understanding, they did not make a search of the house for the note, but they asked the family to look for it, was there a note, had they found a note. Mr. CHERTOFF. You were aware of the fact that the Park Police had asked the family if there was a note in the house? Mr. WATKINS. Yes. Mr. CHERTOFF. You were aware of the fact, from your ride over, that the Park Police had also looked for a note at the scene? Mr. WATKINS. Yes. Mr. CHERTOFF. But you did not discuss with them your thought that someone ought to look in the office for the note; is that correct? Mr. WATKINS. I did not. Mr. CHERTOFF. Now, when you decided that someone should look in the office for the note, did you call the White House? Mr. WATKINS. No. I called-I think I originally beeped Patsy Thomasson to inform her of Vince's death. By the time she called me back, we had had this discussion about the note, and I asked her to go look for a note. Mr. CHERTOFF. At the time you spoke to her on the telephone when she called you, did she tell you where she was? Mr. WATKINS. I don't recall the name, but I think she was at a restaurant. Mr. CHERTOFF. You knew she was not at the White House? Mr. WATKINS. That's correct. Mr. CHERTOFF. Did you think there were people at the White House that evening, that night? Mr. WATKINS. There are always people at the White House, yes. Mr. CHERTOFF. Had you spoken to Mr. Gearan before this point in time? Mr. WATKINS. Mr. Who? Mr. CHERTOFF. Gearan. Mr. WATKINS. I had spoken to--I believe I had spoken to Mr. Gearan before going to the Foster home, yes.
17-Year-old Ed Cereghino signs with the New York Yankees for a $50,000 bonus. Joe Divine with the Yankees signs the young pitcher. In his debut with the San Francisco 'Seals', the young right-hander loses a close game but gets cheers for his ability. Ed signs papers, tosses a baseball with dad in front of homes. MS of man (not in uniform) handling the baseball, putting his fingers on the stitches. Mom and Dad watch baseball game. At the end of the game, mom gives the young pitcher a kiss. Establishing shot -Young Ed Cereghino signing the baseball contract with his parents by his side. MS - In back of their home Ed and his father throw the ball back and fourth. CUS - Of Ed's hand holding the ball and in the other hand he's wearing a catchers mitt. CUS - San Francisco, Seal baseball uniform on Ed and to his right wearing a seal uniform is Lefty O Doul and off to his left his father dressed in a suit and wearing a hat, "Fedora?" CUS - Parents sitting in the stands, his father is smoking a cigar and wearing a hat.CUS - Ed's mother kissing him on the cheek.
240 Naval reserve midshipmen fight it out for possession of a giant ball, during a rough, all-out scramble on the playing field. It's a battle all the way. The young men are playing shirts vs. skins (one team is shirtless, which looks a little weird if taken out of context). Establishing shot - 240 - Naval midshipmen are fighting for the possession of this huge giant ball, they are all wearing shorts. High Angle Shot - All these midshipmen are bunched together and their hitting the ball keeping it above their heads. High Angle Shot - Look's like the guys on the left side of the screen win the possession of the ball.
Dramatic films of the $5,000,000 blast that rocks Newark and jars the entire bay region of New York. Seventy propane gas tanks are blasted and smoke and flame rise hundreds of feet in air. Far into the night, firemen battle to keep the blaze from spreading. Aerial shows thick black smoke spreading high into the air. CU flames and smoke. VS fire, smoke, nighttime firefighting, and the resulting damage (aftermath), including ruined cars and buildings. Establishing shot - Aerial shot of the fire caused from a explosion that reaches hundreds of feet into the air. Aerial shot - The smoke and fire billowing out of the tanks that exploded. MWS - 70 exploded propane tanks lay on the ground blown apart from the blast, fire still coming out of the remains and smoke following. MS - A silhouette of a fireman and water gushing out of the fire hose trying to keep the fire in check. MS - The water from the fire hoses wetting down the storage tanks trying to keep them cool. MS - Fire billowing in the background and the gushes of water from the fire hoses. MS - Morning shots of the aftermath of twisted propane tanks. MS - Bent rail road tracks caused from the heat. MS - Outside and inside of a demolished dinner. MS - Burned out cars. Wide Angle Shot - Propane tanks burning in the background and some unexploded tanks.
First pictures of the record-shattering Douglas 'Skyrocket' plane that flew more than 1,000 miles per hour at 63,000 feet. The 'Skyrocket' is released from B-29 'mother plane' for record flight. Plane speeds over desert area. Establishing shot - Pilot Bill Briggsman is checking out the model of the Douglas "Skyrocket" Air to Air - A B-29 mother ship carrying the Skyrocket attached to her under-side. It releases it and it's exhibits a beautiful test flight.
(10:05:32) Mr. CHERTOFF. So you knew he was at the White House; right? Mr. WATKINS. That was earlier in the evening, yes. Mr. CHERTOFF. You knew there were Secret Service personnel at the White House? Mr. WATKINS. Yes. Mr. CHERTOFF. Did you call anybody at the White House and ask them to go into Mr. Foster's office? Mr. WATKINS. No, I did not. Mr. CHERTOFF. Did you call Mr. Nussbaum or anybody from the White House Counsel's Office and ask them to go into the office? Mr. WATKINS. No. 242 Mr. CHERTOFF. The only person you asked to go in was Patsy Thomasson? Mr. WATKINS. That's correct. Mr. CHERTOFF. Who you knew was riot at the White House, but at a restaurant? Mr. WATKINS. That's correct, Mr. CHERTOFF. Did you discuss with Patsy Thomasson how she was going to get into Mr. Foster's office? Mr. WATKINS, I did not. Mr. CHERTOFF. You knew she was not someone who regularly occupied the office; right? Mr. WATKINS. I knew that she was not an occupant of the office, that's correct. Mr. CHERTOFF. She has a different office? Mr. WATKINS. That's correct. Mr. CHERTOFF. Does she have a key to all the offices? Mr. WATKINS. No, sir. Mr. CHERTOFF. Do you know whether she has the authority to enter the White House Counsel's Office at will? Mr. WATKINS. I don't know if she has the authority, but she was someone that was engaged in taking care of the Offices, moving furniture, changing personnel from office to office, so she had a general access to all the offices in the White House. Mr. CHERTOFF. Ms. Mathews, if I can turn to you for a moment, do you remember where you were that evening when you learned about what had happened to Mr. Foster? Ms. MATHEWS. I was in the residence of the White House. Mr. CHERTOFF. Was that for a taping of a Larry King interview? Ms. MATHEWS. Yes, sir, Mr. CHERTOFF. Where did you go after you had learned that Mr. Foster had been discovered? Ms. MATHEWS. I went to the--I'm sorry, had been discovered? Mr. CHERTOFF. Yes. Ms. MATHEWS. I went to the secretarial suite, of the Chief of Staff 's Off- ice. Mr. CHERTOFF. Why did you do that? MS. MATHEWS. To answer phones. Mr. CHERTOFF. Was that a decision you made? Ms. MATHEWS. Yes, sir, it was. Mr. CHERTOFF. Do you remember approximately when you left the residence to go over to the Chief of Staffs suite? Ms. MATHEWS. I don't remember the exact time. The majority-- I'm not sure if the Larry King show had ended, but I know I had, watched the majority of it. Mr. CHERTOFF. You left before it was actually concluded? Ms. MATHEWS. I don't remember whether it was actually concluded or not. Mr. CHERTOFF. How long did you spend in the Chief of Staff's suite? MS. MATHEWS. For the entire evening-I was there most evening until I left that night. Mr. CHERTOFF. Did you stay there continuously or was there a point when you went back to the residence? 243 MS. MATHEWS. There was a point at which I went back to the residence. Mr. CHERTOFF. Why did you do that? Ms. MATHEWS. In answering the phones, there was a message that came in that I thought should be delivered over to the residence. Mr. CHERTOFF. Now, during the course of the time you were at the Chief of Staffs Office, did you have occasion to go to your own office? Ms. MATHEWS. Yes. At one point in the evening-I actually don't have an office, and did not at that time. I have a space outside of the person I worked for's office and I did go there, yes, sir. Mr. CHERTOFF. Where is that located? Ms. MATHEWS. It is located on the second floor of the West Wing. Mr. CHERTOFF. Do you remember approximately when you went up to your own space? Ms. MATHEWS. I'm sorry, I don't remember specific times. I remember sequences, but not specific times. Mr. CHERTOFF. Do you remember if it was sometime before 10.45 P.M.? Ms. MATHEWS. I think that it was sometime between 10 and 10:45, yes, Sir. Mr. CHERTOFF. In that three-quarters of an hour period? Ms. MATHEWS. In that range, yes. Mr. CHERTOFF. Do you remember, as you walked up to your space, looking into the White House Counsel's Office? Ms. MATHEWS. The suite is all that you can see. It is a suite, and the secretarial office is-as I walked by, I saw the secretarial office. Mr. CHERTOFF. Was it open or closed? Ms. MATHEWS. It was open. Mr. CHERTOFF. Was anybody in it? MS. MATHEWS. I didn't hear or see anyone. Mr. CHERTOFF. Were the lights on or off? Ms. MATHEWS, I don't recall whether the lights were on or off. Mr. CHERTOFF. Now, how long did you spend up in your own work area on the second floor? MS. MATHEWS. Under 5 minutes. Mr. CHERTOFF. Then did you return to the Chief of Staffs Office? Ms. MATHEWS. The secretarial suite, yes, Sir. Mr. CHERTOFF. Again, that would be the secretarial area in the middle of the suite off of which the Chief of Staffs personal office is located? MS. MATHEWS. That's correct, the area between Mr. McLarty's office and, at that time, Mr. Roy Neel's office. Mr. CHERTOFF. You sat at one of the desks? Ms. MATHEWS. Yes. Mr. CHERTOFF. Were there other people there at this time? Ms. MATHEWS. When I returned from coming from my area? Mr. CHERTOFF. Right. Ms. MATHEWS. No. Mr. CHERTOFF. At any point during the period of time when you were in the Chief of Staff 's suite, were there other people in the suite? Ms. MATHEWS. In the evening, during the evening? 244 Mr. CHERTOFF. Yes. MS. MATHEWS. Yes, Sir. Mr. CHERTOFF. Do you remember approximately when that Was? MS. MATHEWS. I don't remember the time, but people came in throughout the evening. Mr. CHERTOFF. Was Mr. Burton there? MS. MATHEWS. Yes, Sir. Mr. CHERTOFF. Can you tell us what Mr. Burton's position was at that time in the White House?
Dick Savitt of Orange, N.J., wins the finals of the all-England tourney, defeating Australia's Ken MacGregor in straight sets, six-four all the way. Savitt's brilliant victory bolsters U.S. hopes for Davis Cup come-back. VS of the match. Match point: Savitt yells and throws his racket in celebration. The Duchess of Kent (?) presents the trophy. Establishing shot - Ken MacGregor and Dick Savitt walking together to the tennis courts. High Angle Shot - The lanky Australian, Ken MacGregor serves the ball and it is hit back by the American Dick Savitt of Orange, New Jersey. MS - Dick Savitt serving the ball to Ken MacGregor. MS - Dick Savitt of New Jersey serves the ball back to Ken MacGregor back handed and Ken could not pick up that ball. Low Angle Shot - The Duchess of Kent award's the Wimbledon Loving Cup to the American from New Jersey.
Late film just in from Korea shows United Nations envoys beginning the historic meeting at Kaesong with Communist truce officers. Snag over newsmen who were barred by the Reds delays continuing truce conclave, but U.N. officials appear hopeful of an early ceasefire. Sign pointing toward Kaesong. Gen. Matthew Ridgway and others walk toward and pose by helicopter. Some of the men (American and Korean) climb aboard and the chopper takes off. Air to air helicopter over Korean countryside. Chopper lands. The men disembark and are greeted by three Koreans, including what the VO calls "a mystery woman". Brief shot of indoor meeting. Group of journalists (?). Man, perhaps a war correspondent/reporter, types on machine that's sitting on the hood of a jeep. Establishing shot - Kaesong a soldier standing guard at the foot of a bridge. MS - UN Commander, Mathew Ridgway and other higher ranking officers, they stop and pose for a picture in front of a helicopter. MS - Military men stand around the helicopter as it takes off. General Ridgway bids them God Speed on their mission of peace. MS - The American and the Red Negotiators meet, there is a mystery woman among the Red side. MS - Helicopter landing. Military men running up to meet the American Negotiators. MS - Restricted Area Authorized Personnel Only (Sign)
The big town extends its biggest welcome to 100,000 visiting nobles of the Shrine, here for their annual get-together. Thousands turn out to greet the visitors and to enjoy their precision marching, plus their amusing antics, in colorful parade. Shiners march. CU Arab (?) man playing flute-type instrument. Little girl (African American) watches the parade and claps. Silly stunt with spinning car; a few unusual floats. Man dressed as sword-wielding Arab pretends to threaten newsreel cameraman. Establishing shot - The Shriners Parade walking down the street's of New York. MS - A large sign carried in the parade, "Moslem Detroit". MS - 'Sign /Banner' Brooklyn, New York, Kismet Temple.' MS - 'Sign' - Luxor, Saint John, N.B Canada. MS - A Shriner from Karnah Temple standing in an open convertible waving to the crowd.. CU - A Shriner playing the recorder marching in the parade. MS - The Shriners driving their wacky car in the parade. CU - 'Sign' El Hasa, Ashland Ky. "coming" round the mountain" - two Shriners dressed up as moon shiners. Their car stops, Graney at the wheel, steam shoots out of the radiator. CU - A big base drum "Moolah Temple Band, St. Louis MO. CU - A huge bean pot. ALeppo, Boston. MS - A little Ferris Wheel, Ya Raab Yaarab. CU - Man dressed up a desert Arab with a saber in his hand. High Angle Shot - The Shriner Parade.
Briggs Stadium and highlights of the 1951 All-Star baseball classic, with National League home runs providing the edge in the 18th revival of the mid-season thriller. Homers by Musial, Elliott, Kiner and Hodges give the Nat. League an 8-3 victory, the second straight win for the underdogs. Ext. Briggs Stadium, auto traffic fg. Eddie Sawyer (?) and Casey Stengel (?) shake hands. VS players before game, including Dom DiMaggio, Jackie Robinson, Ned Garver, Robin Roberts. Ty Cobb in stands; Cobb tosses first ball from the stands onto field. Ferris Fein. VS (high angle) game in progress, including steals, hits, kind of funny run where guy misses home plate and scoots his way back to tag it. Fans scramble to get home run balls. Exterior of Briggs Stadium, Detroit. CU - Eddie Sawyer, Phillies shaking hands with Casey Stengel, New York Yankees. CUS - Stan Musical and Pacard. CU - Dom DiMaggio swinging a bat. CU - Jackie Robinson holding a bat. CU - Starting Pitchers Ned Garver, Browns and Robin Roberts of the Phillies shaking hands. CU - A Senior at the time Ty Cobb, he tosses out the first ball. High Angle Shots - Dark ? of the Giants at the pitchers mound pitches and Richie Ashburn hits the ball and runs, he's safe on third base. High Angle Shot - Ned Garver pitches to Gil Hodges (Nat League) the ball is hit and Richie Ashburn scores a homerun and gets an early lead for the American League. CU - Ferris Fain at bat (AL) and Yogi Berra runs home to tie up the game. High Angle Shot - Ed Lopat pitching and Stan Musial swings, hits and runs <> homerun. High Angle Shot - Ed Lopat pitches and is tagged by Bob Elliott of the Braves, Gil Hodges runs and scores a homerun and Bob Elliott runs and he also scores a homerun. National League All Stars are out in front 4 to 1. The National League All Stars are out there 4 to 1. The National League end up winning against the National League 8 to 3.
(10:10:43) MS. MATHEWS. I'm not certain of the specific title, but it was Chief of Staff to the Chief of Staff, Mr. CHERTOFF. So the Chief of Staffs suite was an area that he generally did his work in? MS. MATHEWS. I'm not exactly sure where Bill Burton's desk was, but he was in that area when he would do things. Mr. CHERTOFF. Were you present for telephone conversations in which you heard Mr. Burton's part of the conversation? Ms. MATHEWS. Only one that I recall. Mr. CHERTOFF. Do you remember who the caller was from anything that you heard Mr. Burton say during the course of the conversation? Ms. MATHEWS. I recall that the call was from the Park Police, but I'm not certain whether that's because I answered the phone call or because I understood it from the conversation. Mr. CHERTOFF. Did you hear Mr. Bur-ton's side of the conversation? MS, MATHEWS. Yes, Sir. Mr. CHERTOFF. Were you there after Mr. Burton had hung up and had conversation with other people? MS. MATHEWS. Yes. Mr. CHERTOFF. You have a recollection of that conversation? MS. MATHEWS. I do. Mr. CHERTOFF. Can you tell us generally what you recall of that conversation? MS. MATHEWS. I recall two things: One, that Bill Burton suggested that the office of Vincent Foster be locked; and two, we had a discussion about the trash. Mr. CHERTOFF. Let me just focus on the first part of that. When you say Mr. Burton suggested that Mr. Foster's office be locked, was that a subject he discussed with the Park Policeman on the telephone? Ms. MATHEWS. I don't recall whether that was discussed. Mr. CHERTOFF. Do you remember that, after the telephone call was concluded, he made that statement? Ms. MATHEWS. It was around the same time temporally, yes. Mr. CHERTOFF. Was it your understanding he made that request or suggestion as a consequence of the telephone call? MS. MATHEWS. I didn't understand cause and effect there, no. Mr. CHERTOFF. I think at this point, Mr. Chairman, I would Yield the balance of my time back and I think Senator Grams had some-. thing. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Faircloth. senator FAIRCLOTH. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 245 Ms. Mathews, at the time of Mr. Foster's suicide, you were Robert Rubin's aide at the White House? Ms. MATHEWS. Yes, sir. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Ms. Mathews, you testified in your deposition that after you learned of Vince Foster's death, you went to check to see if the trash had been taken from Mr. Foster's office. Did you, in fact, locate and preserve the trash bag from Vince Foster's office? Ms. MATHEWS. The trash and the burn bag are two separate issues and I think it's important to make sure we distinguish between-they're different in time and procedure. I did preserve the trash. Senator FAIRCLOTH. You were able to see if there was any evidence or any information that might be relevant to Mr. Foster's death in the trash, You preserved the trash that possibly could contain evidence? Ms. MATHEWS. I preserved the trash. Senator FAIRCLOTH, In addition to the trash, are there any special bags for classified documents in the White House that are referred to as burn bags? Ms. MATHEWS. Yes, sir, there are burn bags in the White House. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Were you able to locate the burn bag from Mr. Foster's office? Ms. MATHEWS. No, sir, in the sense that the burn bags are emptied on a daily basis. Therefore, the only thing I identified was a commingled bag. Senator FAIRCLOTH. A commingled bag? Ms. MATHEWS. Yes, sir. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Mr. Foster's office didn't have a burn bag in it? Ms. MATHEWS. I learned that after I had gotten the burn bag, the commingled burn bag. Senator FAIRCLOTH. In Mr. Foster's office you commingled the trash in the burn bag? Ms. MATHEWS. There is a process in the White House that occurs on a regular basis every evening where the uniformed division of the Secret Service comes and empties the individual burn bags into one larger bag, and that larger bag is commingled, So that is what I am referring to.
Sports: Spain, Folding of The Bulls It's a wild melee when young bloods of town chase wild bulls through the streets, and are chased (and knocked down) in turn. It's an annual event that takes an amusing turn when the scramble winds up at the local bull ring. St. Fermin. Running of the bulls. Some of the bulls and some of the people slip and fall (apparently the ground is slick); a few people pile up and are almost trampled (by animals and humans).
Truman: President Inspects Midwest Flood Area. Flying in his plane 'The Independence', Pres. Truman gets a first-hand look at the terrible flood damage in the Midwest. Having already signed a $25,000,000 flood rehabilitation bill, Mr. Truman knows that relief is on its way to cities, farms and industrial areas hard hit by the rampaging flood waters-worst in the area's history. Air to air plane flying over flooded land. Interiors plane, Truman and aides look out window. VS flood damage, destroyed buildings, wrecked cars, etc. Men work to clean up; in other areas sandbagging is in progress as they anticipate flooding.
News in Brief: New King In Belgium. Scenes of royal pageantry unfold for the abdication of King Leopold, and the coronation of his son, Prince Baudouin, as new leader of the Belgians. Colorful scenes of triumphal parade to Parliament, where the 20-year-old monarch takes the oath. Nice shot of crowd cheering and waving. The new king speaks before assembly in French (nat sound). Someone shouts "Vive le roi!" - Long live the king.
(10:15:33) Senator FAIRCLOTH. All right. Now, at the time of the discovery of Mr. Foster's death, had his burn bag been emptied? Ms. MATHEWS. At the time in the evening-the Secret Service reported that when I went to seek the burn bag, that they had done their round of emptying. The CHAIRMAN. Can I ask you, just for a moment, about what time was this when you made the inquiries about the garbage and the burn bag? Ms. MATHEWS. Mr. Chairman, I apologize. I can remember sequences but not time within the evening. Sorry. The CHAIRMAN. OK. Senator FAIRCLOTH, You were trying to preserve what you thought was Foster's burn bag? Ms. MATHEWS. Until I learned that he did not have a burn bag in his office. 246 Senator FAIRCLOTH. Why couldn't the burn bag have been secured and kept in a safe place for someone with proper clearance to review at a later time instead of destroying it? In other words did you question Mr. Nussbaum's decision to have the bag destroyed? Ms. MATHEWS. When he advised me that there was no burn bag in Vincent Foster's office, and there were concerns that it was a commingled bag containing all the information from the West Wing, I implemented what he asked me to do. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Mr. Nussbaum asked you to destroy it? Ms. MATHEWS. He said to process it as you normally do. Senator FAIRCLOTH. In other words, burn it? Ms. MATHEWS. Yes, Sir. I don't know exactly how the Secret Service does it, but The CHAIRMAN. Senator, could we ask one question? Mr. CHERTOFF. I just had a question because of something you just said. Is it correct that the way you learned or the way you came to believe that there was no burn bag in Mr. Foster's personal office was because of what Mr. Nussbaum told you? Ms. MATHEWS. That's correct. Mr. CHERTOFF. So you relied upon what Mr. Nussbaum told you in terms of your understanding of whether, in fact, there ever was a burn bag in Mr. Foster's office? MS. MATHEWS. Yes, sir. Mr. CHERTOFF. Thank you. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Mr. Watkins, you testified earlier that Federal Judge Richard Arnold called you to recommend Patsy Thomasson for a job. Did you discuss the hiring of Patsy Thomasson with either the President or Mrs, Clinton or did you get any recommendations or anything from them in regard to her hiring? This is important. Mr. WATKINS. As I recall, I mentioned it to Bruce Lindsey. Senator FAIRCLOTH. You mentioned it to whom? Mr. WATKINS. To Bruce Lindsey, that I was considering hiring Patsy Thomasson to be my Deputy. Bruce said let me think about it, and then he got back with me and said he thought it was fine to offer her the position. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Does that mean that lie discussed it with the President and Mrs. Clinton? Mr. WATKINS. He may have. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Mr. Watkins, you were a lifelong friend of the President, as you testified. You served as political advisor to Mr. Clinton since 1981; is that right? Mr. WATKINS. No, sir. I served since-yes, 1981. Before the 1982 election, I was involved in all his gubernatorial campaigns as a media person, media advisor. Senator FAIRCLOTH. You were Deputy Campaign Manager in his campaign for President? Mr. WATKINS. Yes, sir. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Did you serve as the Assistant to the President for Management and Administration in the White House lip until May 1994? Mr. WATKINS. Until June 1994 Senator FAIRCLOTH. June 1994? 247 Mr. WATKINS. --Senator, Senator FAIRCLOTH. The purpose of this question is not to be of embarrassment, but to establish a later fact, You did resign your position after the overly publicized helicopter incident? Mr. WATKINS. Overly publicized is the key word there, Senator. Yes, sir, I did. Senator FAIRCLOTH. I figured that it was. All right. Even though you left the White House because of this incident, didn't you go to the Clinton/Gore campaign payroll, go to work with the Clinton/ Gore campaign? Mr. WATKINS. Subsequent to that, yes, sir, some 2 months after that, I believe, Let me clarify that, though, Senator. Not on the campaign payroll-I mean, not working directly for the campaign. I was a consultant to them on the FEC audits.
(10:20:41) Senator FAIRCLOTH. But you worked for the Clinton/Gore campaign group? Mr. WATKINS. Yes, sir. Senator FAIRCLOTH. You stayed on the payroll. Mr. Watkins, Cheryl Braun of the Park Police has testified she clearly remembers directing you to seal Mr. Foster's office shortly before her departure from the Foster home the evening of July 20, 1993. Do you recall her asking you to seal Mr. Foster's office? Mr. WATKINS. Senator, just like Detective Rolla, her partner, I do not recall her making such a request. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Did you ever discuss with the President the search of The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Watkins, let me-and this is the first time I said it. Detective Rolla did not say that. He said he did not hear her make that request, so I think we don't want to characterize it. Mr. WATKINS. All right, Mr. Chairman. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Did you ever discuss with the President the search of Mr. Foster's office or the Park Police's instructions to seal? Have you ever discussed this with the President? Mr. WATKINS. I did not. Senator FAIRCLOTH. You never have? Mr. WATKINS. No, sir. Senator FAIRCLOTH, When Officers Braun and Rolla were at the Foster home that evening, did you at any time tell them that you had instructed someone who worked for you, Patsy Thomasson, to search Vince Foster's office at the White House? In other words, did you tell the Park Police that you had already gotten on with the search? Mr. WATKINS. I did not. Senator FAIRCLOTH. So, when they told you to seal it, you had already- the seal was already gone. You called Patsy Thomasson to go search it? Mr. WATKINS. As I indicated earlier, Senator, I do not recall Investigator Braun asking me to seal it. Senator FAIRCLOTH. But if they had asked, it was too late. You already told Patsy Thomasson-reached her at a restaurant and told her to go search -it? Mr, WATKINS, I cannot recall. Assuming the time-by the time I talked with Ms. Thomasson, if Officer Braun and Off-leer Rolla were still at the residence-I don't recall. 248 Senator FAIRCLOTH. At the time you told this lady to go search this office under these very stringent conditions that existed, were you aware that she had not received clearance from the FBI? Mr. WATKINS. I do not know if-I do not recall knowing at that time that she did not have her security clearance, no, Sir. Senator FAIRCLOTH. You didn't know she had Mr. WATKINS. I don't have any confidence that I knew at that time. There were several-because of the process of getting security clearances and the fact that there were many at the White House in mid-summer 1993 that had not completed their security process, but I'm not-I do not know-I do not recall whether I knew at the time that Ms. Thomasson was one of those. Senator FAIRCLOTH. There might have been a number of people who didn't have their clearance, but Ms. Thomasson was not one of a thousand. She was one of two. She was high up in the hierarchy. It looks like it would have gotten to her first and not taken 7 months to clear her unless there was a reason. Mr. WATKINS. I don't think that's correct, Sir. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Thank you. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Sarbanes. Senator SARBANES. Mr. Ben-Veniste. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Senator Sarbanes. Good morning, panel. Mr. WATKINS. Good morning. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. I'd like to start first with Mr. Watkins. Could you describe briefly the scene at the Foster home starting from when you arrived that evening of July 20, 1993? Mr. WATKINS. Mr. Ben-Veniste, it was a scene of sadness, extreme grief. People were everyone was wondering why, why would Vince have done this, a lot of emotion, the family was distraught. Everyone that knew Vince was distraught. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Can you describe the sequence, to the best of your ability, of who came to the home that evening? Mr. WATKINS. When I arrived with the officers from the Park Police, Ms. Braun and Mr. Rolla, my wife came in her car right behind us and, just as we arrived, Sharon Bowman, a sister of Mr. Foster, Sheila Anthony, another sister, and Webb Hubbell arrived.
News in Brief: 'Bright Victory' Premiere. Gala scenes in filmdom as thousands turn out to see the stars at premiere of U-I's great new bid for academy honors, 'Bright Victory.' Marquee. Celebrities (their backs to camera so can't tell too quickly who they are) sign autographs for fans. Peggy Dow (?), Arthur Kennedy (?), John Hudson (?), Julia Adams (?), Tony Curtis and Janet Leigh all pose at a microphone. Ann Blythe (?) signing autographs. Others mentioned in the VO are Jeff Chandler, Donald O'Connor, Stephen McNally, Lori Nelson. Klieg lights.
News in Brief: Spain, Admiral Dies On Mission. Here are late films of Admiral Forrest Sherman, U.S. Navy's Chief of Staff, who died in Italy shortly after reaching accord with Franco on greater military liaison between Spain and the U.S. Scenes of Sherman and his wife at event in Spain.
(10:25:47) Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Then what occurred? Mr. WATKINS. The officers notified Lisa that Vince had shot himself and there were cries of anguish and everyone was trying to comfort the family and comfort those that were there. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Were there children in the home? Mr. WATKINS. There were. Laura Foster answered the door, his daughter. Mr, BEN-VENISTE. Then what ensued? Mr. WATKINS. There were a lot of calls from people. There were people trying to notify their family members-just really people in disbelief and trying to comfort each other. It was a time of-an unbelievably emotional time. Everyone was upset. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Did there come a time when President Clinton arrived? Mr. WATKINS, Yes, Sir. 249 Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Were others in President Clinton's party when he arrived? Mr. WATKINS. Mr. McLarty came with the President. I know that. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Could you describe the Foster home, was it a large dwelling? Mr. WATKINS. No, it was a very modest home and pretty crowded at that time. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. At some point, you've indicated the question was repeated why, why did Mr. Foster do this. You learned that no note had been found at the scene of Mr. Foster's suicide at Fort Marcy Park? Mr. WATKINS. Yes, sir. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. You learned that no note had been discovered in any obvious place in the home? Mr. WATKINS. Right. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Then you contacted Patsy Thomasson to see whether a note could be located in Mr. Foster's office? Mr. WATKINS. As I recall, my best recollection, Mr. Ben-Veniste, is that I beeped Patsy to notify her of the death. She was my Deputy. She knew Vince. She was from Arkansas, and 1 just wanted to notify her. By the time she called me back and had gotten back to me, there had been a general discussion about notes. We knew there had not been one found at the home and I asked her to go look for a note. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Basically, she was the first person you spoke to from the outside after this conversation in the home had occurred? Mr. WATKINS. About the note, yes. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. On this point of White House clearances, is it your understanding that there were a number of people whose clearances had not been processed in a timely way as of July 1993, 7 months into the Administration? Mr. WATKINS. Yes, sir. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Was Ms. Thomasson one of those? Mr. WATKINS, She was. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Was there any substantive reason why Ms. Thomasson's clearance had not been processed up to that point? Mr. WATKINS. No. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. In other words, was there any problem that people were investigating, to the best of your knowledge? Mr. WATKINS. To the best of my knowledge, no. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. To the best of your knowledge, was the delay anything other than a delay in processing the paperwork? Mr. WATKINS. No. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Now, let's continue. You're on the phone with Ms. Thomasson, and what did you ask her-what did she say to you and what did you say to her? Mr. WATKINS. She was shocked also, and I said we were wondering if there might be a note in Vince's office, would you go look for one? That's what I asked her. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. What did she say? Mr. WATKINS. She said yes, I will. 250 Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Did you learn that she had been in a restaurant in Georgetown about 10 minutes from the White House? Mr. WATKINS. As 1 said, I don't recall what restaurant or where I-I think she told me she was in a restaurant, yes, Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Then, at some point later that evening did Ms. Thomasson report back to you? Mr. WATKINS. She did, Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Can you estimate how long it was between the": time you first contacted her and the time that she reported back to you that she gave you her report? Mr. WATKINS. I think 45 minutes to an hour within an hour. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. The report was? Mr. WATKINS. That she had not found a note. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Did she indicate anything else that she had seen at (10:30:49)(tape #10120 ends)
(10:25:13)(tape #10121 begins) of who came to the home that evening? Mr. WATKINS. When I arrived with the officers from the Park Police, Ms. Braun and Mr. Rolla, my wife came in her car right behind us and, just as we arrived, Sharon Bowman, a sister of Mr. Foster, Sheila Anthony, another sister, and Webb Hubbell arrived. (10:25:47) Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Then what occurred? Mr. WATKINS. The officers notified Lisa that Vince had shot himself and there were cries of anguish and everyone was trying to comfort the family and comfort those that were there. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Were there children in the home? Mr. WATKINS. There were. Laura Foster answered the door, his daughter. Mr, BEN-VENISTE. Then what ensued? Mr. WATKINS. There were a lot of calls from people. There were people trying to notify their family members-just really people in disbelief and trying to comfort each other. It was a time of-an unbelievably emotional time. Everyone was upset. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Did there come a time when President Clinton arrived? Mr. WATKINS, Yes, Sir. 249 Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Were others in President Clinton's party when he arrived? Mr. WATKINS. Mr. McLarty came with the President. I know that. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Could you describe the Foster home, was it a large dwelling? Mr. WATKINS. No, it was a very modest home and pretty crowded at that time. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. At some point, you've indicated the question was repeated why, why did Mr. Foster do this. You learned that no note had been found at the scene of Mr. Foster's suicide at Fort Marcy Park? Mr. WATKINS. Yes, sir. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. You learned that no note had been discovered in any obvious place in the home? Mr. WATKINS. Right. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Then you contacted Patsy Thomasson to see whether a note could be located in Mr. Foster's office? Mr. WATKINS. As I recall, my best recollection, Mr. Ben-Veniste, is that I beeped Patsy to notify her of the death. She was my Deputy. She knew Vince. She was from Arkansas, and 1 just wanted to notify her. By the time she called me back and had gotten back to me, there had been a general discussion about notes. We knew there had not been one found at the home and I asked her to go look for a note. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Basically, she was the first person you spoke to from the outside after this conversation in the home had occurred? Mr. WATKINS. About the note, yes. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. On this point of White House clearances, is it your understanding that there were a number of people whose clearances had not been processed in a timely way as of July 1993, 7 months into the Administration? Mr. WATKINS. Yes, sir. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Was Ms. Thomasson one of those? Mr. WATKINS, She was. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Was there any substantive reason why Ms. Thomasson's clearance had not been processed up to that point? Mr. WATKINS. No. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. In other words, was there any problem that people were investigating, to the best of your knowledge? Mr. WATKINS. To the best of my knowledge, no. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. To the best of your knowledge, was the delay anything other than a delay in processing the paperwork? Mr. WATKINS. No. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Now, let's continue. You're on the phone with Ms. Thomasson, and what did you ask her-what did she say to you and what did you say to her? Mr. WATKINS. She was shocked also, and I said we were wondering if there might be a note in Vince's office, would you go look for one? That's what I asked her. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. What did she say? Mr. WATKINS. She said yes, I will. 250 Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Did you learn that she had been in a restaurant in Georgetown about 10 minutes from the White House? Mr. WATKINS. As 1 said, I don't recall what restaurant or where I-I think she told me she was in a restaurant, yes, Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Then, at some point later that evening did Ms. Thomasson report back to you? Mr. WATKINS. She did, Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Can you estimate how long it was between the": time you first contacted her and the time that she reported back to you that she gave you her report? Mr. WATKINS. I think 45 minutes to an hour within an hour. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. The report was? Mr. WATKINS. That she had not found a note. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Did she indicate anything else that she had seen at
News in Brief: Macarthur In Boston. Scenes reminiscent of his triumphant visit to other U.S. cities unfold in Boston, with hundreds of thousands on hand to cheer Gen. Douglas Macarthur as he arrives for State House address. Boston does its best impersonation of a tickertape parade, with Mac riding in an open car and lots of paper falling from the sky. Nice traveling shots past the waving crowds.