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Pick-Up Football Game
LS park with three guys passing a football back, hiking it, and kicking off. Good long shot of pickup game. Man kicks off several times
College Football Game, Unidentified
WS college football game in progress, offense coming to the line. Several plays are shown (running). Referee calls a penalty and places the ball right on the other team's goal line
Tug of War
MS men in tug-o-war contest, pulling fiercely at a rope
Runners on Your Marks
LS track with four runners poised to start race (two boys and two girls -- high school age). Coach in track outfit is kneeing near them with starting gun, and they take off. Scene is shot in slight slow motion, and one girl drops behind, but the other keeps up with the boys out of frame 01:13:01 LS single man runner (college age) in blocks with another man beside him with starter pistol. Huge stadium behind them is deserted. Man takes off in slight slow motion, as previous shot, and runs out of frame
August 4, 1994 - Part 10
(20:00:28) Let me put it this way, Mr. Stephanopoulos. We're talking about a pretty important matter. We're talking about a call that you admit that you were irritated about and, to be quite candid, I could understand that. I could understand the perspective that someone who is a partisan in the political arena and who can be suspect as it relates to his independence is now placed in a very sensitive position. I understand that. So I understand your feelings as it relates to that. But listen to the testimony as it relates to the diary of Josh Steiner. He says, and I'm paraphrasing, that these guys even wanted us to fire him, and I told George. I persuaded him that it's crazy, no. Now, I want to ask you, is it your testimony under oath, and I tell you there's no way you could forget this, one way or the otherexcuse me, in my opinion, in my opinion, this is not the kind of thing that someone could forget given the incredible publicity that followed within a relatively short period of time. Time magazine, stories following. We're not talking about an incident that took place or getting rid of somebody or not getting rid of somebody. We're not talking about nuances. The question is did you ask Mr. Steiner--or no--Mr. Altman to find a way to fire or get rid of Mr. Stephens? Yes or no. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Senator, what happened in that conversation is what I said in my testimony, what I've said hundreds of times, I will repeat it again Senator DAMATO. I don't want you to repeat Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I've answered your questions time and time again, Senator. Senator KERRY. Mr. Chairman, it is absolutely unfair for a U. S. Senator to cut off a witness simply because he doesn't like his answer. Senator D'AMATO. That's not the case, Senator. Senator KERRY. Yes, it is the case. Senator DAMATO. No, it's not. It is because the answer has been nonresponsive. Senator KERRY. I beg to differ with the Senator, politely with the Senator. Senator D'AMATO. Then I'm making the point that something that's so critical---- Senator KERRY. Mr. Chairman, I'm trying to make a point. Senator DAMATO. You're doing it on my time. Senator KERRY. Mr. Stephanopoulos-and we can go back to the record. On several occasions, Mr. Stephanopoulos has said in answer to the question-you said is it true or isn't it, did you or didn't you, with a huge buildup with all of the negatives, and he has said, Senator, I don't remember. That's his answer. Now, no matter how many ways you phrase it and no matter how bad you try to make it sound, he doesn't remember. And I think it's unfair when he says I don't remember to simply cut him off and rephrase all the negatives. 432 The CHAIRMAN. Well, what is your answer? Is Senator Kerry correct? Are you saying that you don't remember one way or the other and that's your testimony or can you give a direct answer? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. First of all, Senator, I think that is a di. rect answer. The CHAIRMAN. No, I mean an answer that goes beyond the fact, Is there any other answer you can give? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I can't speak to Mr. Steiner's diary. I don't know why he wrote what he wrote in his diary. I can testify to the conversation as I have, I asked him how Jay Stephens came to be hired. I was angry in that conversation. I concede that. Once he told me how Jay Stephens came to be hired by an independent never directed any. one at the Treasury Department or the RTC to interfere with this investigation in any way, and that a conclusion is corroborated by the Special Counsel Mr. Fiske and the Office of Government Ethics. The CHAIRMAN. May I ask you this? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Absolutely. The CHAIRMAN. Just so we can be clear and take some of the heat out of it for a moment and if you will permit me. Senator DAMATO. Certainly. The CHAIRMAN. Let's take the word "directive" out of the answer. Did you say to anybody that Stephens should be fired? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I said that Stephens had a terrible conflict of interest. I don't remember saying anything like that at all. The CHAIRMAN. So you have no memory whatsoever of saving board, that was the end of the conversation. I that he should be fired? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. No, I do not, sir. Senator DAMATO. Mr. Chairman, I hope my time The CHAIRMAN. Time is being restored right now. Senator D'AMATO. And I appreciate that. I'm going to make a statement on my time. I don't think it's conceivable given the history-and I'm not going to recount it-of the events, given the diary that has been presented, given the phone call that was made, given with some particularity the manner in which Steiner says, and he's talking about colleagues and friends of his-"George suggested to me we needed to find a way to get rid of him" and "persuaded George to fire him would be incredibly Stupid and improper," very precise
Christ on Cross Reenacted
MS man carrying cross, reenacting the Crucifixion as part of his Roman Catholic faith. His face is covered by a white cloth, and small children and worshippers are following him as he walks slowly along. A tall figure in a white hat guides him, perhaps a missionary 01:07:18 front view of man on cross, in place, face still covered; blurry CU of man walking again 01:07:34 LS Christians on wall, man in cross climbing stairs 01:07:41 good MS old woman leaning on young boy, soft focus 01:07:46 MS two young women in dresses sitting on wall, looking at camera 01:07:52 MS young mentalking together, one smoking, reading tracts that the missionary hands out. Two young women on wall, and one moves shyly away from the camera, out of frame. Brief MS of missionary handing out religious pamphlets or tracts 01:08:10 LS people on busy street, picking up stones from large hole in road. This may be crude repair of bomb damage, or just people collecting the scrap from a construction project. Nice bus and 1950s trucks pass by, as well as bicycles 01:08:21 CU Asian woman reading out loud, soft focus
Boy Player & Bill Tilden
LS boy on tennis court, serving and running to the net. Manufacturer's marking holes in film disrupt shot, , but we have an interesting pan to the side of the court, where in the distance old people are playing bocce ball and shuffleboard. Building in the distance has California look, Spanish revival, as if this is an expensive resort, or a tennis camp 01:15:49 (CSL 383-8) LS tennis great Bill Tilden with racket on court, preparing to take a serve backhand. Slow motion shot shows him hitting the ball back, first backhand, then forehand. Good strong shots indicate that even as an elderly man Tilden played with skill. 01:16:09 Tilden serves (shot at regular speed) and takes a forehand return
Co-ed seniors in annual hoop-roll!
Same as catalog # 340399 Co-ed seniors in annual hoop-roll! Undergrads salute outgoing upper classmen, -- er -- classwomen. Large group pf people form "1931" on a lawn, then run towards the camera. Graduates running through the campus in cap & gown.
Inventors perfect new auto-boat!
Same as catalog # 493455 Inventors perfect new auto-boat! Flivver furnishes motive power for odd marine device.
August 4, 1994 - Part 10
(20:05:36) And now when we attempt to get from the witness an answer as to yes or no, did he suggest that Mr. Steiner or Mr. Altman find a way to fire or get rid of him, he says I have no recollection. That is an artful way. That's that artful dodging again, an artful dodge. This is my opinion, I understand it's a graceful dodge, but I don't think it's so graceful. I think the American people and others in this Committee really have an understanding of what's going on. This is an attempt to keep from answering a question that anyone, given the circumstances and the import of that whole situation, couldn't help but remember. And not to confuse matters, this Senator is absolutely convinced that the witness is involved, once again, in a graceful dodge that is not too graceful. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Senator MACK. Mr. Chairman 433 The CHAIRMAN. Just one moment. I've got both Senator Sarbanes asking to speak and Senator MACK. Mr. Chairman--- The CHAIRMAN. I'll come back in a minute but we're going to rotate here and I'll call on you as well. Senator MACK. I just wanted to make a point that there are a lot of us that are waiting here that have not participated. If we don't go back to trying to strictly stay to lie time, those of us who are being The CHAIRMAN. I couldn't agree with you more. Senator MACK. It seems to me if they want to raise that point, when it's their time they ought to raise it. Senator SARBANES. It is our time now. Senator DAmato's time just expired and the time comes to this side. Who is recognized on this Senator KERRY. Before the time comes to our side-[Laughter.] The CHAIRMAN. Just one moment, Senator KE RRY. Excuse me. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Kerry, just a moment please. Senator KERRY. I thought the witness deserved an opportunity to answer. After all Senator MACK. That was a statement. Senator D'AMATO. I didn't ask a question. I made a statement. I did not ask a question. I said this is my opinion. Senator SARBANES. Mr. Chairman, if I may make the point. The CHAIRMAN. Let me just indicate that the witnesses have been at the table for a long time. And they've asked to have a 10minute pause here so they can refresh themselves. I think that's a reasonable request. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. May I respond to the Senator. The CHAIRMAN. Once I finish. Senator Sarbanes, you've asked to be recognized but the witnesses have asked if they can have a break here. I want to accommodate that. I think it's reasonable. Senator SARBANES. I want to be-I just want to make the point that a response by a witness that "I do not remember," "I do not recall" is a direct answer to the question. Now, you may not accept that answer if you're the questioner. Others may accept that answer, others may find it creditable that the witness would not recall or would not remember. Senator D'AMATO. My colleague is correct. Senator SARBANES. And the fact that it's not the answer you're seeking I don't think makes it not a response to your question. Senator D'AMATO, Well, that's why I said I found it difficult. Senator SARBANES. Secondly, this line of questioning gives incredible credence to the Steiner diary which I must say to you I have some difficulty in doing. I mean, I think to some extent this is a work of art, so to speak. Senator MACK. But, Mr. Chairman, could I get some time and just- Senator SARBANES. I just want to register those two points with respect to the statements and the line of questioning that we just followed, but I don't--I mean, you may not accept the answer but it is an answer and it is a direct answer. 434 The CHAIRMAN. Well, I've got several Senators seeking recognition on both sides. I've got Senator Kerry, Senator Shelby, Senator Mack. Gentlemen, please. They've asked for a break at this point and I think they deserve one. We're not going to adjourn abruptly here. Everybody is going to have another chance, so whatever anyone wants to raise, they're going to have the opportunity to do so. Senator DOMENICI. On a lighter note, could I just tell you what"' 5 people outside are doing the pooling for television said to me a while ago? I've been joking with them that the longer we're here, the more money they make. And so I said, are you all pooling and" one of them said, I'm pooling for 4:00 a.m. The CHAIRMAN. Well, Committee stands in receMr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Chairman, may I simply respond? The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Stephanopoulos, Ill be happy to call on you when we come back. I don't think the question was presented to you and we'll start this whole thing all over again. Let's take a 10-minute recess. (20:10:27) [Recess.] (20:10:30) Commentary of hearing hosts DON BODE and NINA TOTENBERG from tv studio, they also talk to Senator PETE DOMENICI and Senator RICHARD SHELBY
August 4, 1994 - Part 10
(20:30:17) Hearing resumes: Senator SARBANES we have yet another witness this evening if that-Mr. Nussbaum will be coming in. The CHAIRMAN. Yes. Senator SARBANES. And I want not to use my time in an effort to be able to move on, otherwise we're going to be here until 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning. I do think, though, at the outset that if he wishes, I should yield some to Mr. Stephanopoulos. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS, Thirty seconds, sir, just very briefly. Senator SARBANES. Whatever time you need. I know you were seeking before to say something. I think you ought to have that opportunity to do so. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Just very briefly for the record. I mean,. there was a lot made of the diaries, you did point out, but when Mr. Steiner was asked under oath about this exact same sentence, his reply under oath to this Committee was I don't recall him saying that, no, on the matters that Mr. D'Amato was questioning me about. That was all I need to say. I don't need to take up any more time. Senator SARBANES. That's a very important point. I'm glad you had the opportunity to put that into the record. Could I ask the Chairman, is it the intention that once we complete this panel, which I take it we hope will be in the not too distant future, we then will go to Mr. Nussbaum and we will stay with Mr. Nussbaum until we finish, in other words, however late that goes this evening? The CHAIRMAN. That's right and I've discussed that with Senator, D'Amato who has discussed that with his side of the aisle and that is our agreed-upon operating plan. When we finish with this panel, 435 we'll probably take a brief recess, or we may not, but in any event Mr. Nussbaum will come on and we will stay with him until we finish tonight. Senator SARBANES. Mr. Chairman, I won't use the balance of my time. I don't know if any colleague has a point they want to make at this point or whether they want to wait their turn with respect to the balance of my time. Senator DODD. Who's next? The CHAIRMAN. Senator Kerry was actually, I think, next in the order on our side, but Senator SARBANES. Do we go back to that side? The CHAIRMAN. We will go back to this side unless someone wants to use the balance of your time, Senator KERRY. Mr. Chairman, Id be happy to use the balance of the time, I'm just afraid I won't get through the point I want to make Senator SHELBY. Mr. Chairman, I wonder if the Senator from Maryland would give me 20 seconds of his time. Senator SARBANES. Certainly, certainly. Senator SHELBY. It was pointed out earlier before we had a break, the Senator from Maryland said something about the diaries, you know. They've been in vogue up here and in evidence and been talked about for all week and maybe before then. I think they are central as to what was going on regarding Roger Altman, regarding this whole thing, I think they're very important. They have a lot of probative value, a lot of probative value. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Senator Shelby. Senator SARBANES. Mr. Chairman, I made the point earlier, I don't know if Senator Shelby was here and I don't altogether agree with that. I mean, I don't know that the Senator SHELBY. My response was to your comment. Senator SARBANES. Oh, all right. I didn't realize you were here. I want to make it very clear. I mean, I'm not sure how much probative value the diaries ought to be given and I think there is a certain flair, freelance quality to these diaries, In fact, I wrote earlier that it-that, well, the author may be given to dramatizing, I think that might be a kind way, a kind way to put it. Mr. Chairman Senator SHELBY. I think the author was dramatizing trying to explain them and he didn't do it. Senator SARBANES, I'll yield back the balance of my time and let you go back to the other side. The CHAIRMAN. Very good, Senator Bond. Senator BOND. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There were a few comments, seems like minutes, maybe it was hours ago about the Fiske Report that brought to my mind that when we had the session on Friday we found that there were a number of areas where it appeared, at least to me and to several others, that maybe the investigations by Mr. Fiske had not been as complete as needed. I asked specifically that the FBI provide us any other interviews that they had conducted, particularly as it related to Little Rock, and they assured us they would do so. I have not seen any response, and I thought perhaps if Counsel hasn't received them that it might be helpful to urge them to comply with that request. 436 The CHAIRMAN. I'll make an inquiry, but when you say "Little Rock , what is the reference you're making? Senator BOND. We were asking questions about who they interviewed in the U.S. Attorney's office. They had provided us with one interview with an Assistant U.S. Attorney and that interview was, frankly, very weak because the person interviewed had the wrong day, had made several suppositions that really raised more questions than it answered.
Bicycle race
Basketball Scrimmage
MS players on outdoor basketball court. Small crowd watching. The men are in uniform, shirts reading "Venturi Victory." Player takes a high pass in the flats and sinks the long three (except it wasn't a 3 then was it?) 01:16:28 (CSL 383-31) MS jump ball in same game (backwards film can be corrected in mastering) 01:16:48 LS same players running a drill -- film is faded 01:16:58 back to game, same shot as first, but film reversed 01:17:04 slightly faded following shot of ball as player takes long shots from top of key (camera follows ball)
Stretching for Fitness
LS four people in empty stadium doing calesthenics, touching their toes in the exercise known as windmills
Beach Volleyball, or Newt's Dream
MS shirtless men playing volleyball on beach
Strange Horse & Skirt Race
LS dirt track with 8 horses racing down, crowd of spectators looking on -- not large, but such as might appear at a state fair or horse show or rodeo. A bizarre race is in progress; the riders, all women, stop, dismount and try to put on white skirts that lie neatly folded on the ground. In contrast to their blue jeans and Western-style shirts, these are an impediment, as we see the women struggle to put the clothes on and remount. One woman is hopelessly stuck with the skirt (or petticoat) down around her ankles and cannot get back on her horse
Ring Toss Game
LS four women playing ring toss outdoors. Rustic cabin in BG suggests resort or summer camp
Monkey passing
Monkey passing
August 4, 1994 - Part 10
(20:35:36) The CHAIRMAN. Let me check and see. I think we have an answer on that, but I want to check with Counsel who is away at the moment and provide that answer. Let's put that issue aside for the moment. Senator BOND. I was going to try, Mr. Podesta, to go back to what we were discussing several days ago when I last talked with you. Mr. PODESTA, It feels like that. Senator BOND. Mr. Todd Stern reports to you at the White House; is that correct? Mr. PODESTA. He does. Senator BOND. We have, in the documents submitted to us, Exhibit X 000075 which was produced by Mr. Stern, Senate Banking Committee hearing "to-do" list. And in this it's pretty clear that, at least, Mr. Stern wanted Mr. Altman to focus and here's just a couple of bullets. I'm just going to read excerpts. Mr. PODESTA. Could I get a copy, Senator? Senator BOND. Yes, there's a set. "Altman's failure to recuse himself, the nature of the RTC's investigation of Madison, is investigation continuing, what is going on, question mark. Criminal referral to Justice, what were circumstances, is RTC going to pursue any civil relief," skipping down, "were Madison resources directed into other business ventures and principals in the Clinton campaign funds." Next bullet, chronology of RTC investigation of Madison, who did what, when, and why were referrals made to Justice, what if anything is going on now, et cetera." It even goes on to give a little political flavor. It said "is Treasury working on questions for committee Dems, line up a Senator or two" and they referenced a couple of Senators "have a page or two of background plus questions for the counterpunches." Do you happen to know those counterpunches? Do you have any of those counterpunches available for us that you might share with us? Seriously, well, I assume if you had counterpunches, you'd show them to us, but do you know, was this matter followed up on by Mr. Stern? Do you know what was done with it, was it used in telephone briefings, oral briefings? Mr. PODESTA. Senator, let me testify first to my knowledge which is that while I saw this document in my deposition, I said that I may have received it. It might have been the kind of thing I got, but I wasn't familiar with it. I would point out that with regard to the bullets you read, it says "prepare witness" says next to that 69 is Mike Levy, the Treasury person." I did not talk to Mr. Levy about any of the items on this list. I did mention to Mr. Levy that Mr. Altman would be-- would need to be prepared to answer ques- 437 tions about recusal. I don't know whether Mr. Stern did, I do not believe he did, but I'm not-I can't testify for him. Senator BOND. This shows that, at least, Mr. Stern believed that Mr. Altman should be prepared to address criminal referral to Justice, what the circumstances were and those other items. So this was something the White House was focusing on and I assume that when Mr. Stern prepares a memo like this, he does something with it. Mr. PODESTA. Well, I senator BOND. Is that logical to assume? Mr. PODESTA. I think it would be logical to assume with regard to the bottom couple of points which were the ones in our office relating to counterpunches. Again, I testified earlier that we wanted to put the hearing in a broader context. I think that's what-it's not my word, but I think that's what he was referring to, to try to put Madison in the context of the overall S&L cleanup and our Administration's Senator BOND. My point is the White House, your associate, Mr. Stern, was focusing on the criminal referrals and you forecast the questions that we were going to ask. I mean, if this had been fully utilized in the briefing, Mr. Altman would have been ready. Now, following up on the questions, Senator Bryan asked some questions, and Senator Gramm did. You said that "we had a duty and he had a duty to correct the record. I was tasked to follow up," You said, "I assumed his letter had been sufficient." I went back and read through these four letters and this was the letter of March 2 and it said in the third paragraph, "but I have learned today of two conversations which did take place between Treasury and White House personnel on this matter. My information is that both related to the handling of press inquiries."
Grape Process
Drawer 9 Wine making process. It's really hard to describe what is going on here. It actually looks like some sort of chemical is being produced as opposed to alcoholic beverage. Lots of close ups of bubbling fluids. Overall there's nothing on this reel that's of any interest.
Grape Process (Bottling Wine)
Bottling machinery, bottles being filled with wine, labled. visually stimulating, good camera work.
Transporting Grapes by Truck
Trucks loaded with grapes driving around, waiting in line. Men inspect grapes. I geuss these folks are selling grapes. Good shots of vintage (40's -50's) trucks otherwise pretty boring.
Int. of Grape Process Plant
Inanimate unknown machinery. A man at the end of a corridor. That's it. Not too interesting.
Picking Grapes
Grapes being picked, unpicked grapes, workers are Latino.