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August 4, 1994 - Part 10
(19:50:30) Mr. PODESTA, I think he thought that the record ought to be corrected on the point. Senator SHELBY, Didn't you get involved in this, sort of handling this crisis? Mr. PODESTA. Well Senator SHELBY. You were the point man, weren't you, at the White House? Mr. PODESTA. I understand he described me that way. Senator SHELBY. Sir? Mr. PODESTA. I understand he described me that way, but let me try to explain it. Senator SHELBY, I won't call you the point man. You were the man Mr. PODESTA. Mr. Eggleston who works in the Counsel's Office who works with Mr. Nussbaum contacted Mr. Nussbaum, I believe, over the weekend. We wanted to see a transcript. We got a transcript. I believe we got the transcript on Monday, and I wanted to confer with Mr. Nussbaum on the matter. He had been at the meeting on February 2nd, and he was the Counsel. I believe the Counsel's Office staff conferred on Monday, the 28th. I got back together with him on the Ist, and we went through this in some detail. We had a meeting that lasted a couple hours. Senator SHELBY. You had a meeting to go through the transcript. Mr. PODESTA. On March Ist, which was a Tuesday. Senator SHELBY. What was your feeling after going through the transcript? You knew there was a lot of damage done there, didn't you? Mr. PODESTA. I think we had 428 Senator SHELBY. A problem on your hand. Mr. PODESTA. A problem. Senator SHELBY. What did you do then? Mr. PODESTA. I called Mr. Altman. Senator SHELBY. And what did you say to him? Mr. PODESTA, 1 raised the three issues Senator SHELBY. Did you say you've got a big problem or what? Mr. PODESTA. Well, I don't want to be repetitive-I've testified to this in great detail, but I think there were three points. On one point, with regard to who was at the meeting, I thought there Was no problem after discussing it with Mr. Altman. On the second point, on recusal, I thought it was his decision, but that it was best to correct the record. On the third point, which was the meetings point, the fall meetings, as I said, I've described a rather truncated conversation, but I think I made it clear to him that we thought something needed to be done on that. Senator SHELBY. You said it was a real problem, not just on recusal but the failure to disclose the meeting Mr. PODESTA. At the time I thought, in fact, that was the more substantial problem. Senator SHELBY. And who else thought that besides Mr. Eggleston? I know you weren't acting alone down there? You had some good minds there. Mr. PODESTA. I think what I went back to Mr. Altman with was the consensus, at least at the meeting, although it's conceivable that different people kind of rank these things slightly differently. I don't know. Senator SHELBY. Were any of the other people at the table with you tonight, were they involved in trying to- Mr. PODESTA. Mr. Lindsey. Senator SHELBY. Correct it? Mr. Lindsey. Mr. Bruce Lindsey. What was Mr. Altman-what did he have to say when you told him there was a problem here and this had to be corrected? What did he say? What did he say to you? Mr. PODESTA. I described, on the first point, I think we both concluded that he didn't need to correct it. Senator SHELBY. Not what we concluded. What he said. Mr. PODESTA. I think he said that he thought the testimony was fair on who set up the meeting. Senator SHELBY. He felt the testimony was fair that he had given before the Banking Committee? He said that? Mr. PODESTA. On the single point of who set up the meeting. Senator SHELBY. OK. Mr. PODESTA. How the meeting was set up is probably a better way to put it. On recusal he said he was going to continue to consider it. It had been raised and that he would continue to look at that issue, that it was a topic that he would consider. On the meetings point Senator SHELBY. The meetings, that's right. Mr. PODESTA. On the fall meetings point, as I said, in my pre- vious testimony, I think that he didn't want to get into the details with me. I thought that was appropriate at the time. I still think it's appropriate. you? Senator SHELBY. Was he acting cavalier over, the phone to 429 Mr. PODESTA. No, he was not. Senator SHELBY. Was this face to face? Mr. PODESTA. No, it was over the phone. Senator SHELBY. How long was it from the time you talked with him until he wrote the first letter trying to supplement the record? Mr. PODESTA, It was the next day. Senator SHELBY, And then how many days until the next letter? Mr. PODESTA. I believe one day. Senator SHELBY. One day. Mr. PODESTA. One more day. Senator SHELBY. And what about the next day? Mr. PODESTA. The third letter was on the 11th, I think. Senator SHELBY. Was Mr. Altman dribbling this information out to the Committee to supplement his testimony as pressure mounted on him through the news media and through the White House, that you all knew he had not told the whole truth and nothing but the truth to this Banking Oversight Committee and the pressure was mounting on him so he was dribbling it out as the pressure demanded? Mr. PODESTA. I want to answer that in two parts. My impression in the phone conversation was that Mr. Altman on the meetings point and on recusal point thought he had done his best and had no knowledge of the meetings when he said that on the 24th. That was my impression.
August 4, 1994 - Part 10
(19:55:25) With regard to how, then, he corrected the record and the taking of the four letters to address all those points, I think I've already said that I think that would have been better handled had it been done the next day in one letter and more specifically. Senator SHELBY. Mr. Podesta, it would have been better handled if he had told the whole accounting.of the situation candidly in the Banking hearing, would it not? Mr. PODESTA. It would certainly had been better if he had given a whole accounting. The only thing I'm quibbling with you about, Senator, is that I think my impression on March 1st was he thought that he had been candid on the 24th to the extent of his knowledge. Senator SHELBY. Does that-is that backed up by Mr. Steiner's diary when he said he gracefully ducked the question and did not refer to phone calls he had had and so forth? Mr. PODESTA, No. Senator SHELBY. In other words, what you're saying here, your impression of Mr. Altman, the way he felt Mr. PODESTA. Was just Senator SHELBY. It was contrary to Mr. Steiner's diary. Mr. PODESTA. My only conversation with Mr. Altman was a single phone conversation on March 1st, and that's just my best impression. The CHAIRMAN. You gave him a heads-up, among other things, did you not? Mr. PODESTA. I ran through those three issues. Senator SHELBY. But you realize that you all had a real problem at the White House? Mr. PODESTA. At least with regard to the fall meetings, and I think with recusal, We knew we had a problem. 430 Senator SHELBY. With regard to Mr. Altman's testimony. Thank you. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Senator Shelby. Senator D'Amato. Senator D'AMATO. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Ickes, do you have the depositions there you testified to? Mr. ICKES. I do. Senator D'AMATO. Would you turn to page 132. This refers towe're talking about the meeting of February 2nd and the question asked you is "what did Mr. Altman say about recusal?" Your answer: "The gist of what he said, and this came toward the very latter part of the meeting and was-I think the bulk of the meeting was taken up with his presentation and our questions and his answers and discussions about the investigation and its relationship to the statute of limitations." Is that true? Mr. ICKES. What? Senator DAMATO. Is that true? Mr. ICKES. As I testified, yes. Senator DAMATO. Now, a few minutes ago when you were answering Senator Domenici's questions, you testified that Altman had taken himself out of the decisionmaking chain; is that true? Mr. ICKES. That's the best of my recollection, Senator. Senator D'AMATO. Just a few. minutes ago Mr. ICKES. Could I just finish my answer, sir? Senator DAMATO. Certainly. Mr. ICKES. The best of my recollection, is during the course of that meeting, I recall him saying that he was going to abide by whatever or follow whatever recommendations were made by the staff attorneys. Senator D'AMATO. And he was taking himself out of the decisionmaking chain? Mr. ICKES. I don't know if I wanted to--I don't know if he used those exact words. That may be my interpretation, Senator, but I do recall him saying that he intended to abide by whatever recommendations would be made by the staff attorneys. Senator D'AMATO. Thank you. Would you continue reading page 132, go to line 8. Mr. ICKES. Where do you want me to pick up, sir? Senator D'AMATO. Line 8. Follow with me. Toward the latter part of the meeting, he brought up that he was considering recusing himself in connection with this matter and as recall, it was because he, as the acting chairman or the President, would ultimately have to determine whether or not to implement a recommendation, if any, made by the general counsel's office with respect to this investigation. Whether or not. Mr. ICKES. I don't think that's inconsistent with what I said, Senator DAmato. Senator D'AMATO. OK. That's fine. Mr. Stephanopoulos, I'm going to ask you, and this is important because it's your testimony under oath before Congress-is it your testimony now that you never suggested that Mr. Steiner or Mr. Altman find a way to fire or get rid of Mr. Stephens? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I don't remember anything like that at all, sir. 431 Senator DAMATO. That's not- Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I've testified to that 100 times. Senator DAMATO. Mr. Chairman, this is not responsive, and we have continued now on this line.