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New Nation: Jamaica Ends British Rule
New Nation: Jamaica Ends British Rule WS courtyard, crowds. Princess Margaret and her husband, the Earl of Snowden, represent Queen Elizabeth as the Caribbean possession gains self-government. Princess Margaret and her husband exit plane, walk down steps. Photographers. Princess Margaret is greeted by the Prime Minister, woman curtsies. Young African man in crowd standing with newspaper on his head, to block sun. Princess riding in car past crowds. Flag of the new nation is raised. Colorful ceremonies mark the transfer of government that will make Jamaica an independent Dominion within the British Commonwealth. Firework display of new flag. Princess Margaret seated, speaking (no sound). Officials seated in audience. Princess Margaret bowing.
August 4, 1994 - Part 8
(16:45:43) Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Senator, I really wasn't a part of any of those conversations, and as you might imagine, we haven't had a lot of internal discussions about them since then because of all these investigations. Senator GRAMM. You never heard anybody suggest that they had told him. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I have not had discussions of that manner. Mr. PODESTA. No, Senator. Mr. LINDSEY. No, Sir. Senator GRAMM. Well, I'd just like to say in passing, not since the St. Valentine's Day Massacre in Chicago have we seen a situation where something so dramatic happened, and yet, as in the case of that massacre, nobody heard a shot fired, Roger Altman comes over to give you the message that he's stepping aside, that he believes that he ought to step out of an investigation that could, in some way, involve an old friend, the President, and he leaves having changed his mind. And nowhere is there any evidence whatsoever that anybody suggested to him that he change his mind Mr. PODESTA, Senator Mr. ICKES. Senator, that is not my testimony and I don't think that's the testimony I've heard. Roger Altman came in and said that he was considering Ling whether or not to recuse himself. And there was discussion about that. At bottom, everyone at that meeting on February 2nd said it was up to him. There were some people who felt they didn't see any legal or ethical necessity, but it was up to him. The second point I would make, Senator--- Senator GRAMM. I'm going to stop you because Mr. ICKES. The second point I want to make Senator DODD. Let him respond. You've asked him to respond, Senator GRAMM. I asked a yes or no question. Senator DODD. He ought to have a chance to explain the answer. Witnesses should have an opportunity to be heard. Mr. ICKES. Thank you, Senator Dodd. The second point I would make, Senator, it is my recollection that during the course of the meeting on February 2nd, Mr. Altman made it very clear that he was going to follow the recommendations of the Staff of the RTC. Senator GRAMM. And their recommendation was what? Mr. ICKES. I don't know what it was or if there has even been a recommendation. Senator GRAMM. We know from all kinds of sworn statements it was that he step out of the investigation. Mr. ICKES. No Senator GRAMM. And that he didn't. Mr. ICKES. You and I are talking about different recommendations. The recommendation with respect to the handling of the civil suit or the possible civil suit. Senator GRAMM. Well, one of the problems (16:48:07)(tape #10092 ends) we have, Mr. Chairman, is trying to cover a lot of territory, and I don't like to cut anybody off, but we're trying to get to some information. Mr. Lindsey Mr. LINDSEY. Yes, Sir, Senator GRAMM continuing]. We have several sworn statements that Mr. Altman notified the White House about the mentioning of 374 the President in at least one of these 9 criminal referrals. We know a call was made on September 29th with that notification. We know that later, you came into the possession of that information, Did you believe then or do you believe now that it was proper for you to have that information? Mr. LINDSEY. Yes, sir, I believe it was proper to have that information. Senator GRAMM. As I look at your testimony, it appears you never told the President about this information. Mr. LINDSEY. That is not correct. As I indicated, on October 4th, was on a trip with the President. I had a conversation with Jim Lyons, who indicated to me that he and others had had telephone calls from reporters and that the criminal referrals were referenced. After that conversation, I indicated to the President that there were press inquiries about the criminal referrals, that it was my understanding that he was mentioned in those referrals, but that he was not a subject or target. So as soon as there were press inquiries, and as soon as there was some indication that he might get asked or I might get asked, I told the President. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Gramm, your time is up. I'm going to see to it you have as much time as you need to finish, but I do want to stay within the time limits. Senator GRAMM. That's fine, Mr. Chairman. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you. Senator Kerry. Senator KERRY, Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, Senator D'Amato has asked a very important series of questions, perhaps one of the most serious set of questions with respect to this group. I know he's going to come back to them. I'm sure others are because they go to the core of whether or not something improper may or may not have happened. I think we have to look at this a little further. He appropriately asked the witness, is your testimony true? We want to try to get at the facts.' When he said to the witness, is your testimony true, I think he meant, is it true to the best of the witness' memory, is this your testimony because when you say is the testimony true, there are others who contradict the testimony of Mr. Ickes, so that we ' re left trying to determine whether it's true, I mean, the witness can't say that it is, in fact, true.
Quake And Storm: Disaster Take Heavy Toll
Quake And Storm: Disaster Take Heavy Toll Ten thousand Iranians are dead in one of the most horrible disasters in modern history. People walk through rubble, destruction. Young boy sitting on rubble. Dead body in rubble? An equal number are seriously injured and from thirty to forty thousand homeless. Half-way around the world, nature went on another rampage in Korea, leaving 200 dead in a ravaging flood. Three children help carry debris. To the south, Hong Kong reeled from the impact of still another disaster -- a typhoon that killed 100, injured 600 and left 27,000 homeless. Boats half submerged in water. Destruction, damage, debris. Car lays upside down in street. Small black puppy trots through debris.
Space Triumph! US Outstrips Reds With Mighty Saturn
The mighty Saturn, sixteen stories in height, is launched from Cape Kennedy and for the first time in the space race the United States has surpassed Russia. The rocket and payload total 19 tons and the 20,000 pounds that is put into orbit is, by far, the heaviest space vehicle ever launched successfully. President Johnson watches the launch on television. Cape Kennedy, Florida Saturn sitting on the launching pad. MOHS - Space control central and all the scientist and the technicians sitting at controls. MLS - Lift off time and Saturn takes off from the launching pad. MS - In Washington DC, President Johnson is watching the lift off on TV . Ground to air - Saturn in the sky looking like a meteor, fire in the sky with a smoke screen. MLS - The vision of Saturn disappears as some clouds roll in.
First Wheat Shipment To Russia
The first grain to be shipped to the Soviet Union under the $250,000,000 deal negotiated last fall is loaded in Norfolk, Va. Russia has contracted to buy 148,000,000 bushels and her satellites more millions of bushels. Capitalist wheat for Communist dinner tables. Norfolk, VA The cargo ship is docked at a wheat silo where it is being filled up with grain. Camera pans - The shoot where tons of the grain is being transferred into the hull of the ship. MLS - Other ships out in the ocean.
August 4, 1994 - Part 8
(16:50:52) Senator D'AMATO. Well, I'm referring-and I don't mean to im- pinge, but if you Senator KERRY. I don't want to lose my time. Senator D'AMATO. I was referring to Senator KERRY. If I don't lose my time, I'm happy to have a colloquy on it. Senator D'AMATO. I'm certain to yield you time and you've been courteous and I think we all have. I was referring to whether or not the testimony he gave was true. Senator KERRY. Exactly. Senator D'AMATO. And he said it was. Senator KERRY. That's what I want to pin down. To the best of his memory. Senator D'AMATO No no that was sworn testimony that he gave that 375 Senator KERRY. I understand, whether or not the testimony as he delivered it, he still stands by it. I understand that. Senator DAMATO. Right. Senator KERRY. The reason it's important is that the testimony of Mr. Ickes that you specifically referred to, and appropriately, this is a very important area of inquiry. I share the interest of the Senator from New York in it. I just want to understand the playing field as we discuss it. The second part of it referred specifically to Mr. Ickes' testimony on "line 4, page 121, the investigation was going to take a longer period of time to conclude and it might not conclude until after the expiration of the statute of limitations." Then on the next page to another question, Mr. Ickes said the purpose of this meeting and the focus of this discussion was the relationship of the time that he felt the investigation might be wrapped up and that it was his understanding the investigation would probably not be concluded and a determination could not be made. Now, if we accept those two statements and find that those are, in fact, true, then there's a serious question about the transfer of that information, both from Treasury to the White House and from the White House to the First Lady, and I think the Senator agrees with me. We're both going in the same direction here. Without any further discussion on that for a moment, I just want to ask you a question. Do you remember whether or not Mr. Altman, in this meeting on February 2nd when you were all sitting around discussing this, did he read, to your memory, did he read from a prepared list of talking points? Mr. ICKES. Senator, he had a piece of paper in front of him. I was not sitting close enough to him to see whether there was anything on it. From time to time, during the course of his discussion, he would refer to that piece of paper. Senator KERRY. Throughout the discussion. Mr. ICKES. I don't want to say throughout, As I said, from time to time, he would refer to the piece of of paper Senator KERRY. Let me refer my col league-all of my colleagues, if I can, to the testimony of Ms. Hanson. In her deposition on pages 16 and 17, Hanson says Mr. Altman started the meeting by going through the talking points, and on page 17 "he read through the items. At one point I expanded on a piece of the discussion on the statute of limitations. I don't recall if it was as Mr. Altman was reading through the talking points or later, But other than that, there was no discussion while he read the talking points," Now, I ask unanimous consent that the talking points be placed in the record at this point. The CHAIRMAN. Without objection, so ordered. Senator KERRY. Turning to the talking points, the second to last talking point, I will read from it. "It is not certain when the analysis will be completed, but it will be before February 28th," Now, the testimony of Ms. Kulka, the testimony of Mr. Ryan was adamantly, as the people in charge of this investigation, that it could not have been possible for Mr. Altman to say that it might not be concluded because that was not the fact. In fact, his talking Points say that it is not certain when the analysis will be completed, and the evidence is that he read his talking points. 376 In addition to Ms. Kulka, you have Mr. Eggleston, Mr. Nussbaum, Mr. Altman himself and Ms. Williams, all of whom have a different memory from Mr. Ickes. So when we discuss this issue of is the testimony true or obviously true to the best of your recollection, is it possible, Mr. Ickes, and I'm trying to get the facts, not suggest something else, but all of the other evidence is countervailing to this notion that it would have been possible for you to have understood what you understood, Where are we?
India Celebrates Anniversary
India Celebrates Anniversary Prime Minister Nehru presides at India's 15th Anniversary of Independence and tells 100,000 Indians that they must pledge themselves to fight any encroachment by Red China on her northern border. Massive crowd. Prime Minister Nehru at podium, speaking (no sound).
Beauty Is An International Affair
Beauty Is An International Affair "Miss Australia", a 21-year old beauty, is the victor over 51 other beauties in the "Miss International" Beauty of 1963 Contest. Herself a refugee from the Reds, she intends to work with refugees. WS of beauties parading on the stage, catwalk. Judges? Miss United States walks past camera. Contestants walking in single file line on stage, parading gowns. 5 contestants remaining on stage. Older man and woman in audience clapping, applaud. Winner is escorted over. Photographers taking pictures. Runners up, holding plaques and winner in center, wearing crown. CU woman wearing crown and smiling.
Sports: "Jaipur" Wins Travers
Sports: "Jaipur" Wins Travers Saratoga, entrance. Escalators? Crowds. Start of race, horses out of gate. It's a two horse race right from the start as "Jaipur" and "Ridan" battle it out together neck-and-neck. The pace smashes the Travers' record set by Man 'O War in 1920 and equals the track record. "Jaipur" has wings on his hooves. Horse with rider, being led off track, by trainer?
Red Berlin Move: Drop Command Post, Cut Ties to Allies
Red Berlin Move: Drop Command Post, Cut Ties to Allies As the West Berliners stone a Soviet troop carrying bus, the Russians announce that they are abolishing the post of Commandant. Meanwhile, the Allies establish an ambulance patrol to rescue wounded refugees. German soldiers install barbed wire. CU barbed wire. Crowds gathered in background. Guards pushing back crowds. Russian troop bus is stoned by angry crowd as it drives past camera. Ext U.S. Army Checkpoint Charlie post. US Army ambulance? Sign on building reads: Kommandatura Berlin. Willie Brandt walks out of building, and gets into car.
Churchill Comes Home
Churchill Comes Home Sir Winston, 87, returns to his home after convalescing for 54 days in the hospital after breaking his hip. Crowds of onlookers gathered outside hospital. Lady Churchill arrives, shakes hands with two men. Crowd, man standing on light pole with camera. WS of doorway as Mr. Winston Churchill is carried out on a chair. Churchill raises his cigar, to acknowledge crowd. Churchill is lifted into ambulance. Churchill home, cu door handles, number 28 on door. Mr. Churchill is lifted out of ambulance, and takes his hat off to acknowledge the crowd.
"Ike" Visits His Scottish Castle
"Ike" Visits His Scottish Castle Former President Eisenhower rests at his apartment in Culzean Castle -- a residence that was a gift of the Scottish people. Castle, scenic. Former President Eisenhower talking to men, holding camera with telephoto lens. Mrs. Mamie Eisenhower smiling buttoning coat. Eisenhower grandchild, David playing baseball. Eisenhower, swinging golf club. Plane taxiing, in Dublin, Ireland. Sideview, men in uniform. Mr. Eisenhower waves his hat to the crowd.
Quakes Rock Italy - Tremors Take Heavy Tolls
Quakes Rock Italy - Tremors Take Heavy Tolls A series of earthquakes spread over two days leave sixteen Italians dead and more than 200 injured. Most of the disturbances are centered in Ariano Irpino, 40 miles east of Naples, where 10,000 homes had to be evacuated. Damage to buildings, rubble. Mother holding young boy. Three men start to clear rubble.
New Unrest In Algeria
New Unrest In Algeria With Ben Bella, dissident rebel leader, fleeing to Oran where troops support him, huge throngs demonstrate in the capital, Algeria. Some favor the ruling political Bureau, others the leftist Army factions and still others want food and jobs. Angry demonstrators. Men attempt to break gates, pulling them back and forth. Man (Ben Khedda ?) speaking from balcony. Crowd of people clapping.
Johnson On Six Nation Tour
Johnson On Six Nation Tour Vice-President Lyndon Johnson visits Lebanon and Iran on his foreign aid fact finding trip. Lebanon, once recipient of U.S. aid, now supports itself while Iran is on the economic road to recovery. High angle of crowds surrounding motorcade. People along parade route. Johnson seen standing and waving from car, as it travels down street. Vice President Johnson wearing sunglasses, smiles and waves to crowd.
Ireland Fetes O'Eisenhower
Ireland Fetes O'Eisenhower President de Valera and Former President O'Kelley, honor the Former President at Ireland's "White House" before Mr. Eisenhower starts for home after European tour. Irelands White House. Former President Eisenhower with men. Mrs. Mamie Eisenhower standing with Mrs. de Valera and other wives. Photographer looking through camera.
Tennis Match
Tennis Match The same pair from Mexico who beat America for the first time in Davis Cup play, and win the U.S. National Doubles Title. Rafael Osuna and Antonio Palafox need 64 games and 5 sets to beat Chuck McKinley and Dennis Ralston. Crowd watches match. Funny blooper, when tennis player runs for the ball, and slides under the net. Various plays from match. After game, players congratulate each other, and shake hands with the judge.
Sports: Big League Little League
Sports: Big League Little League San Jose turns back Kankakee, as the California half-pints win the Little League crown from the Illinois nine. It's heads-up baseball all the way and even the losers are champs. White boy shakes hands with African American (black) boy, both in baseball uniforms. Pitcher throws ball, batter hits a pop up, and the outfielder catches the ball. Nice plays from game. Batter is tagged out at first, and runner from third is safe at home. CU crowd shot of people waving to the camera. Blooper - Outfielder runs into wall, narrator says he was out cold for a few minutes. Player is walked off field, with a nurse and coach. California wins, pitcher throws a no-hitter, players run out and congratulate pitcher, celebrate. Great Americana image, team-work, etc.
Forest Inferno: Millions Lost In Coast Blaze
Forest Inferno: Millions Lost In Coast Blaze Raging through California's mountains and foothills, six forest fires ravage 45,000 acres and cause damage estimated at $3,000,000. Homes on fire, smoke, flames, burnt trees. Melody Ranch sign, (narrator says it was the ranch of Gene Autrey). Worker removing movie equipment, film reel. Black smoke billowing from fires. Firemen using water hoses to fight flames. Patients evacuated from sanitarium. Firefighters, walk towards camera wearing hard hats and carrying axes.
New York Bridge Gets Second Span
New York Bridge Gets Second Span A new lower deck to the George Washington Bridge is dedicated, 31 years after the first span was opened. It makes the bridge the only one in the world with 14 lanes of traffic. Nelson Rockefeller ? shaking hands with designer. People pay toll and drive over the Washington bridge. Pan bridge with traffic, various shots of George Washington Bridge, double deck.
August 4, 1994 - Part 8
(16:55:39) Mr. ICKES. I'm not sure of your question, Senator. Are you saying did he read from his talking points? Senator KERRY. No; I'm asking you whether or not you may have misinterpreted or may have not heard him or that your testimony may be incorrect. That's what you testified to, but in fact what you testified to may not be correct. I don't know. Mr. ICKES. Senator, all I can do is say I have testified to the best of my memory. Senator KERRY. Well, then, I guess the rest of the evidence will stand and we'll have to sift through it. You say you believe that's what the testimony was; is that correct? Mr. ICKES. Senator, all I can say, I've testified to the best of my memory with respect to that meeting. I do not recall word for word what people said. I can only-but I've testified to the gist of it. Senator KERRY. Is it possible you didn't hear it or had a problem hearing it or anything? Mr. ICKES. It is possible. I'm completely deaf in my right ear. I don't remember the positions that we were sitting in so is it possible? It is possible. Senator KERRY. I'm just trying to sort this out. This is a very, very important contradiction and choosing on how people choose to interpret what the Senator has put forth is a very legitimate line of questioning based on what's in front of the Committee. It is a really central issue that we have to try to determine. I think it is one of the only sort of remaining ones to try to sort through this. Let me shift for a moment. On the recusal issue, I think all of us are still wrestling with this question of a de facto recusal. I understand, Mr. Stephanopoulos, your opinion as of several weeks earlier was that you thought he ought to recuse? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I wasn't really involved in this, Senator. Senator KERRY. I realize that, but you had an opinion he ought to recuse, Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Since it's something I wasn't really involved in, I usually look to try to reduce controversy; anything that would distract from the President's major work, to do away with it. So if anybody asked me at the time, just recuse yourself, don't worry about it. Senator KERRY. Mr. Podesta, after Mr. Altman testified you were surely given the immediate sense that something was wrong, because a White House aid picked up a cellular phone right out Of the hearing and called to say this testimony is incorrect. Then you folks had the foresight and I might say the sense of difference between right and wrong to call Mr. Altman and say, hey, you've got a problem with your testimony, Accordingly, I would assume that when you saw the letter, you would have known that his attempt to clarify to the Committee was still lacking in the very point that you had first been notified about and were concerned about? Mr. PODESTA. Senator, I'm sure we're going to pursue this, but I didn't see that letter for some time after that, after it had occasion to be sent here, so I wasn't sure what was in that letter. Senator KERRY. When did you see it, just out of interest? Mr. PODESTA. I think in April or May. Senator KERRY. Fair enough. I appreciate that. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you. Senator Bond. Senator BOND, Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Podesta, you testified you were involved in the preparation of Roger Altman for the February 24 hearings; is that correct? Mr. PODESTA. No, that's the opposite of what I testified to. I testified that I was not involved in the preparation of Roger Altman for the preparation-for those hearings. Senator BOND. You were involved only in the follow-up after the hearings? Is that the extent of your activity with Mr. Altman as respects Mr. PODESTA. That's the only time I spoke with Mr. Altman and I did not-I was not involved in his preparation or, as it were, I testified to the two things I did that might be responsive to your question. One was I did have a conversation the week of the 14th with Mr, Levy saying Mr. Altman needed to be prepared to answer a question on recusal. I think that was in light of the fact that Ricki Tigert had been pressured the week before on that in this Committee. And second, I believe I said to Mr. Steiner, Mr. Altman had to be able to answer a question about whether he had contacts with the White House on Madison, and that he had to be able to answer a question with reference to that February 2 meeting. Senator BOND, Did you do any preparation or did you make any inquiries about the Madison matter prior to your discussions or in the course of your discussions with Mr. Levy or Mr. Steiner? Mr. PODESTA. No, Senator. About the Madison matter? No.
August 4, 1994 - Part 8
(17:00:33) Senator BOND. Or the entire Whitewater matter, Had you been involved in discussions that led you to ask that question? Mr. PODESTA. No. Senator BOND. To propose that question. Mr. PODESTA. No. I think that my opening statement really speaks to this, which is that my first involvement in this was around February 14, when I was asked to look at these hearings, what was coming up, and try to suggest ways that we could make sure that they were, as I said, fair and broad and dealt with. I mean, frankly, to give this some context, what we wanted to have happen, I suppose, was that Madison be kept in some perspective, that it be only a small part of the hearings that were coming up on February 24, but I didn't-I didn't know much about Whitewater. I had read a couple newspaper articles. And I knew nothing much about Madison before I talked to Mr. Levy. Senator BOND. You said we wanted to keep it in perspective. Was that the editorial "we" or was this a sense you were communicating Mr. PODESTA. I think that's the editorial "we," but that's what I 377 378 Senator BOND. If you set out on that course yourself. Mr. PODESTA. If I set out on that course myself. Senator BOND. Without any prompting from others? Mr. PODESTA. Mr. McLarty and Mr. Griffin asked me to work on the hearings. I'm a self starter. I suppose I called Mr. Levy, thought that was the appropriate course of action. Senator BOND. Did they give you any instructions on what to do about Madison or any of the Whitewater matters, Mr. McLarty? Mr. PODESTA. No. Senator BOND. Let me ask, did you send Mr. Eggleston to monitor the hearing? Mr. PODESTA. No. I knew he was going. I was working on other matters, in fact, other legislative matters that day. I didn't pay attention to the hearing through the course of that day. I had a meeting-I had several meetings during the course of the day. The one thing that Senator Kerry referenced was a cellular telephone call to me. I don't believe that was to me. It could have been to Mr. Stern, my deputy who helped me some on this matter, but I don't remember speaking to Mr. Eggleston at all during the course of the day and I checked my calendar and I was busy working on other matters. Senator BOND. Did you, thereafter, become the point man in the White House to ensure that the incomplete or inaccurate testimony of Mr. Altman was remedied? Did you have that responsibility? Mr. PODESTA. Mr. Eggleston did raise the issue with me that he said that he's testified to, that Mr. Altman in describing this meeting had not mentioned recusal. I think at that point, there was a shared responsibility between myself and the Counsel's Office. I thought we had to follow up on this, as a result of the meeting on March 1, to use a term that's been coined in these hearings, I was asked to in the course of that meeting, to make the call to Mr. Altman and raise the three concerns that I've testified to. Senator BOND. So the meeting on March 1 was with you, Mr. Eggleston, Mr. Sloan. Who else was in that? Mr. PODESTA. Mr. Mein, Mr. Nussbaum, Mr. Lindsey. Senator BOND. As a result of that meeting, were you the one who called Mr. Altman? Mr. PODESTA. I was. Senator BOND. And what did you advise Mr. Altman in that telephone call? Mr. PODESTA. I raised the three concerns we had identified. I think that is fair to say that at the conclusion of our brief discus- sion on the question of who set up the meeting, we both concluded that-the record did not need to be supplemented on that point. On recusal, the group at the White House thought it was a judgment call. It was better to do it, I think that was left with Mr. Altman thinking about it and trying to decide on the best course of judgment, With regard to the meetings in the fall that were responsive particularly to your questions, I think the group in the White House felt strongly that the record had to be supplemented on that point. Mr. Altman and I had a somewhat truncated conversation, which I testified to in my deposition, and at the conclusion of which he 379 agreed to review the questions that you had posed with Ms. Hanson.
The March On Washington
Beginning of clip is damaged. It cannot be improved when mastering. The March On Washington. Just one hundred years after Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation to free the slaves, 200,000 march in Washington to rally for civil rights. In an orderly gathering at the Lincoln Memorial they hear the 10 top leaders of the movement urge Congress to pass the Civil Rights Bill to end racial inequity. They call for "Action Now" - the theme of the monstrous rally. None of the disorder that authorities feared developed - it seemed partly like an outing, partly Sunday school picnic, partly political - it was a serious gathering that was tinged with good-humor as if the demonstrators had finally found strength in each other. As a pictorial record of history nothing more compelling has ever been filmed. Washington DC Lincoln Memorial. MCUS - Train pulling into the train station, two railroad men climbing down off the train. MCUS - People getting off the train, mostly African-American and Whites. CUS - People walking peacefully and it looks like their singing. MCUS - A long row of buses driving down a Washington DC street, throngs standing road side. CUS - Bus driving by and in the background the Capitol Building. MCUS - People disembarking from the busses. MLS - Throngs of people gathering and in the background is the Washington Monument. MCUS - Someone is holding up a banner reading ; Pennsylvania Marches for Jobs & Freedom. CUS - Many faces in the crowd all creeds. Aerial; shot - Washington Monument, people looking like tiny ants. MLS - Camera panning the crowd. MS - Marchers holding many signs. MCUS - Roy Wilkins on the left and A. Phillip Randolph. CUS - Rev. Martin Luther King. MCUS - Walter Reuther, head of the auto workers. MCUS - Camera focuses on the feet of the marchers. MLS - Washington Monument. Aerial shot - Mass of people. CUS - Demonstrators marching into the camera singing: "We Shall Overcome". MS - Demonstrators gathering in front of the Lincoln Memorial, a sign reading; Full Equality ... Human Dignity ... All Americans ... Now. Low Aerial - People, thousands around the pond of the Washington Monument. An overview shot - Lincoln Memorial steps, thousands of people. Back shot - People facing the Lincoln Memorial. LS - The mass of people and camera zooms in on a young guy who perched himself on the top of a tree holding a sign. Back shot - Thongs gather in front of the Lincoln Memorial. MCUS - Rev. Martin Luther King standing at the podium. MS - Looking through the trees you see the White House. Inside White House - President Kennedy, Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson and Martin Luther King and other dignitaries posing for the camera. OHV - From the Lincoln Memorial overlooking the reflecting pond with the Washington Monument in the background. A shot from the top steps of the Lincoln Memorial. Martin Luther King famous speech; "I Have A Dream" over looking the throngs. "I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up live out the true meanings of it's creed, We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal. I have a dream, that one day on the red hills of Georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood. I have a dream."
August 4, 1994 - Part 8
(17:05:22) At that time, when I raised it with him, he said to me that-and I don't know whether I read from the transcript or I paraphrased it, but it was pretty specific with regard to your questions, When he answered that he had no knowledge, he said to me that's correct, I have no knowledge. And I said you may have a duty as an agency witness to supplement the record. He agreed to sit with Ms. Hanson, look at the record and to take appropriate action. Senator BOND. Did you at that time know of the September and October meetings? Mr. PODESTA. I had learned about them earlier that afternoon in the March 1st meeting. Senator BOND. Did you have any responsibility, or did you exercise any responsibility to pursue that point, which you raised, the review of the testimony and the correcting of the record, if necessary? Mr. PODESTA. I did take some further action. I said I never talked to anyone further in my opening statement at Treasury. The next day, on March 2, 1 did call to find out whether he had followed up on this point, and I was informed, although I think this was a series of back and forth phone calls, I don't think I ever spoke to anyone at Treasury, but I was informed that evening that Mr. Altman had talked to the Chairman and that a letter had been sent on the point of the fall meetings. I don't believe I knew he talked to you until the course of these hearings. Senator BOND. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Senator Bond. Senator Bryan. Senator BRYAN. Mr. Chairman, I'm always happy to defer to the-to the heir apparent to the Chair, The CHAIRMAN. He's prepared to have you go next if you're ready. Senator BRYAN. Thank you. Mr. Stephanopoulos, I can understand your reaction to the selection of Mr. Stephens. I think that's understandable. I mean, he was an adversary, a critic, and a partisan who actually contemplated a candidacy for the United States Senate from Virginia on the Republican ticket, so I can understand why you would be concerned. And I think any citizen would be concerned to have his or her conduct judged by an individual who had that kind of bias going into the process. So I can understand that. Whether or not you should have made the phone call or not, I think in retrospect, you would agree that probably that wasn't the prudent course of action. But certainly the emotion that was involved, I believe, was entirely understandable and anybody would have reacted in a similar fashion to you. The thrust of my question goes to the line of questioning between Senator Bond. I am deeply disturbed about Mr. Altman's testimony before this Committee on the 24th and the series of letters that follow. My understanding of the facts are that Mr. Eggleston, prior to the hearing, made a call to Treasury, spoke with Ms. Hanson about this issue and specifically discussed the recusal. Ms. Hanson's briefing notes that Mr. Altman had, preparatory to his testi- 380 mony before this Committee on the 24th, included, among other things, recusal; that immediately after the hearing, I believe the Chair has indicated that he gave Mr. Altman the opportunity not just to supplement the record, but you had called the Committee back into session to give him an opportunity to supplement the record; that during the course of that hearing, I think the instincts by the White House staff were excellent. Mr. Eggleston leaves the hearing, makes the phone call on the cellular, which we've heard testimony on, that you thought that there was a problem, and then you yourself on the 1st of March indicate in a conversation to Mr. Altman that you think that there may be a problem with his testimony. Short of hitting somebody between the eyes with a 2-by-4, I don't know how much more clearly it could be imparted to an individual that there's a problem with the testimony and something ought to be done. I think the followup letters of the 2nd of March and the 3rd of March do not in any way address what I consider forthright and complete testimony of the Committee. Let me ask you again more specifically, you had a meeting on the 1st with, as I understand it, Mr. Nussbaum, Mr. Klein, Mr. Lindsey, Mr. Eggleston and Mr. Sloan where this was the subject of discussion. Am I correct, Mr. Podesta? Mr. PODESTA. That's correct. Senator BRYAN. Again, without going through the entire thing, give me the essence of it and what the consensus was in terms of what should be done. Mr. PODESTA. It was different with regard to the issue of the fall meetings and the issue of recusal. Let me be clear. With regard to recusal, I think we tried to decide whether there was a duty to the Committee and a duty to the public to supplement the record.