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Korea: MacArthur And Collins Inspect Battlefront
Korea: MacArthur And Collins Inspect Battlefront General Macarthur pays his first visit to Korea since the Chinese red attack and confers with field commanders. General Lawton Collins returns to Washington after a tour of the battle area and conferences with General Macarthur. The late Al Jolson's son receives the medal of merit awarded his father posthumously for his work in entertaining the troops. MLS American tank on the move. CU General Macarthur gets out of a jeep accompanied by General Walter Walker. CU Both Generals shaking hands and mixing in with the soldiers. MCU Australian troops receiving communion and blessed by a Priest on the battlefield of Korea. They leave remembrance branches for their fallen comrades. MLS General Lawton Collins walking down the steps of a military plane. General Lawton Collins: "Based on what I've seen, the conferences I had with General Macarthur and his principal field commander, I'm sure that while the situation is serious, that our forces there will be able to take care of themselves without other serious losses." CU Secretary Of Defense Marshall looking over a document, Al Jolson s little boy sitting at desk. MCU Al Jolson s son receives the Medal Of Merit in behalf of his late father (After entertaining the troops in Korea the entertainer succumbed with an exhausted heart) CU Mrs. Al Jolson s, Asa Albert Secretary Of Defense Marshall.
Construction Of Bombers
Construction Of Bombers Full production is underway on the new b-47 Stratojet bomber, Boeing s 600 MPH. 'World's Fastest bomber. As planes roll off assembly line, they are given colorful test flights. Factory in full production of Boeing new spotter jet bombers. CU Woman tightening screws on the B-47. CU Jet Bomber sitting on tarmac. CU Test pilot Major Wise, MLS B-47 taking off into the skies off the tarmac . MLS All six jets in back leaving a trail of black smoke.
July 25, 1995 - Part 4
(14:30:21) Mr. WATKINS. Yes, sir. Senator HATCH. At the time of Mr. Foster's death, you were the Director of Management and Administration in the White House; correct? Mr. WATKINS. Yes, sir. Senator HATCH. You are now employed in California, as I understand it? Mr. WATKINS. Yes, sir. Senator HATCH. You knew the Park Police officers were treating this death as a suicide; right? Mr. WATKINS. Yes, Senator. Senator HATCH. You knew the Park Police would probably be searching for a suicide note, correct, or at least you assumed that? Mr. WATKINS. Yes, and on my ride over to the Foster house I was notified that there was not one-or learned that there was not one at the death scene. Senator HATCH. Now, Mr. Watkins, you ordered Patsy Thomasson to search Mr. Foster's office for a note, that's right, isn't it? Mr. WATKINS. I did. Senator HATCH. Did anyone tell you or suggest to you that you order Ms. Thomasson to do so or that you, through any means, should try to find any suicide note or other materials? Mr. WATKINS. As I have stated earlier, there was general discussion at the house about a suicide note, and there was-we knew there was not one at the scene. There had-not one had been found at the scene. In looking for one at the house, there was not one at the house. I discussed it with Lisa Foster and Mr. McLarty. Senator HATCH. Those were the only two you discussed it with? Mr. WATKINS. As I recall. I don't recall specifically anyone else. Senator HATCH. OR Did you consider that your order or your request to Ms. Thomasson and the search by Ms. Thomasson might interfere with an investigation into Mr. Foster's death? Mr. WATKINS. It never occurred to me, Senator. Senator HATCH. But you never told the Park Police that you directed Ms. Thomasson to search for the note, isn't that right? Mr. WATKINS. Consistent with what the Park Police said to Lisa Foster, like if you find anything or find a note, please let us know, that's what I would have done. I did not consider it to be anything other than my-our interests in helping the family find out why and to see if there was a note, Senator HATCH. OK. It disturbs me, though-I'm disturbed by the fact that the White House was aware that the Park Police were looking for a note, but somehow you failed to tell the police that you sent Ms. Thomasson to search for the note. Mr. WATKINS. It didn't occur to me, Senator, that-the fact of the matter is that the manner in which-and with no disrespect to the Park Police, but when- they were very casual about the request of 293 Mrs. Foster-to Mrs. Foster that if she found a note please, please let them know. Senator HATCH. What's troubling to me is that not only did you authorize a search for the note, but, as we will hear in later testimony, Mr. Nussbaum failed to turn the note over to the Park Police for over 24 hours. So some people are deducing that the White House wanted to clear the note before it was released. That's what's Mr. WATKINS. Senator, my only thought was to try to give an answer to why and to help Mrs. Foster. That was the only thought that occurred to me at all. Senator HATCH. OK. Mr. Watkins, did you seal the office, Mr. Foster's office that is? Mr. WATKINS. As I've stated earlier, I was not requested to seal the office. Senator HATCH. You didn't tell Ms. Thomasson to seal it either, did you? Mr. WATKINS. I did not. Senator HATCH. In your deposition to this Committee you stated that you thought that the police would seal the office as part of their normal investigation, isn't that right? Mr. WATKINS. I don't recall specifically, and I don't have that in front of me, but my recollection is that I said that if the police had wanted the office sealed, they'd been in contact for several hours with the Secret Service, they would have requested that of the Secret Service. Senator HATCH. You didn't even dwell, then, on Mr. WATKINS. 1 never dwelt on sealing the office. It never entered my mind, Senator HATCH, Did anyone suggest to you that the office did not need to be sealed? Mr. WATKINS. I-no, I do not recall anyone saying that. Senator HATCH. Ms. Mathews, in spite of the fact that you thought it was a good thing to preserve the trash that you talked about-the burn bag, in other words-you've told this Committee that you were ordered to burn Mr. Foster's burn bag by Bernie Nussbaum, is that correct? Ms. MATHEWS. Just to clarify, the trash which was what was preserved and was put aside. Senator HATCH. But the burn bag Ms. MATHEWS. The burn bag-when we found out the information that there was not-I was told there was not a burn bag in Vince Foster's office. That was the time I was told to process it as we normally process burn bags. Senator HATCH. But you saw references on the bag that it was from Mr. Foster's office. Ms. MATHEWS. Absolutely not. On the burn bag? Senator HATCH. Yes. Ms. MATHEWS. No, sir. Senator HATCH. Was it the trash bag Ms. MATHEWS. No, sir. As I learned this morning, which I didn't know, I was told this morning that I think there was a Secret Service-I apologize because I don't remember specifically, but that there was 294 The CHAIRMAN. You did very well, so don't worry. Go ahead. MS. MATHEWS. There was a Secret Service agent that said they had never dumped the burn bag from that off-ice in any way. At no time did I have any indication that there were any documents at all from the Counsel's Office in the burn bag.
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(14:35:42) Senator HATCH. OK. Did it occur to you that this bag might contain some of Mr. Foster's papers or information from his office? MS. MATHEWS. When I first sought to get the bag, yes, sir, it did But after the time at which I learned that he didn't have one in his office, one, and then it turns out that there wasn't-it wasn't ever dumped. So at the time when I learned it wasn't in the office, that's the point at which I thought my question wasn't quite so rel- evant, I I Senator HATCH. But it was Mr. Nussbaum-and maybe I've got this wrong, and correct me if I'm wrong-it was Mr. Nussbaum that told you to burn the burn bag, right? Ms. MATHEWS. Yes, sir. What he told me was to process it appropriately. He told me two things: One, that there was not a burn bag in Vincent Foster's office and, two, that the materials, the commingled materials that I had, should be processed as they normally are processed. Senator HATCH. Did you know exactly where the burn bag came from or is that unclear? Ms. MATHEWS. The commingled bag that I received came from the uniformed division of the Secret Service. Senator HATCH. OK. Now, let me just ask you this question: Did Mr. Nussbaum tell you or anyone else if anyone had wanted the burn bag destroyed? MS. MATHEWS. No, sir, he told me to process it as it's normally processed and it is my understanding, though I've never seen it actually happen, that that's what the Secret Service does, Senator HATCH. I see. Did he tell you if he or anyone else had ordered Mr. Foster's office searched? Ms. MATHEWS. No, sir, he did not mention that to me. Senator HATCH. Were you aware of anybody being in Mr. Foster's office or searching it? MS. MATHEWS. No, sir, I was not aware of that, Senator HATCH. OK, Mr. Gearan, on December 23, 1993, you stated, and I quote, "the President today has instructed his personal attorney"-I assume that's Mr. Kendall-"to provide appropriate law enforcement authorities at the Department of Justice with all the documents relating to the Whitewater Development Corporation"-could I just finish this question-"including those in the files of Vincent Foster which were turned over to their personal attorney after Mr. Foster's death." That was in The New York Times. Now, I want to make sure that this Committee and the American people know about all of the documents relating to Whitewater. So, Mr. Gearan, can you state for the record that the documents in the hands of David Kendall and the documents still in the hands of the White House are all of the documents relative to the Whitewater investigation? Mr. GEARAN, Based on my understanding, yes, sir, the Statement we issued in December is correct. 295 Senator HATCH. When you made that statement that was reported in The New York Times, were you referring to all of the documents we've become aware of so far? Mr. GEARAN. Senator, I'm not sure of all the documents that you have become aware of, but based on my understanding in December-and there is no distinction today as I testify before you. My understanding is that that includes all of the documents. Senator HATCH. OK. I assume this group of documents included those that the Presidential campaign had collected and those transferred from the White House to Mr. Kendall's office. Do you know? Mr. GEARAN. Senator, what I know is that the documents were in Mr. Kendall's office. The chain of custody from the campaign, I am uncertain about. Senator HATCH. OK. Thanks. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Sarbanes. Senator SARBANES. I'm going to yield to Senator Simon, but I want to just be clear of one thing with Ms. Mathews because I'm a little concerned by some of the line of questioning that's been put to her and some of the reports that were in the press which seem to me to actually be very much at variance with what she did, and I want to be clear about this. At the time that they proceeded to process the burn bag in the normal course, I take it that it was your view there were no documents in the burn bag from Vince Foster's office; is that correct? Ms. MATHEWS. Yes, sir, I understood there to be no documents from Vincent Foster's office in that bag. Senator SARBANES. So you weren't proceeding to process the burn bag and the burning of those documents on the basis that there were documents in there from Foster's office? In fact, just to the contrary, you'd been told or led to understand that there were no documents in the burn bag from Foster's office; is that correct? MS. MATHEWS. That's correct.
Girl Who Wed Moslem Home
Girl Who Wed Moslem Home 13-Year-old Bertha Hertogh, the Dutch girl who was married to a Moslem and whose annulment set off a wave of Moslem rioting in Singapore, comes back to Holland with her mother after a stormy life in the Orient. (child bride) Dutch girl and mother walking down the steps of a plane MLS Father goes up and hugs wife and daughter. MCU Police make a human fence to control crowd by holding hands. OHS Dutch girl and mother walking. MCU Sign saying welcome in Dutch. MCU Crowd waving at the camera. MS Kids waving out the second story window.
July 25, 1995 - Part 4
(14:40:31) Senator SARBANES. So what you recovered was the trash bag, and you identified that and then left it in the office there; correct? Ms. MATHEWS. Yes, sir, the trash bag was maintained. Senator SARBANES. You started also to recover the burn bag and then were told there's no burn bag in his office, therefore leading to the conclusion there were no documents in the burn bag from Foster's office, and at that point the burn bag which was for the entire West Wing was processed? Ms. MATHEWS. Yes, sir, Senator SARBANES. Not by you, it just simply went ahead in the normal course of business; is that correct? MS. MATHEWS. Yes, sir, the uniformed division doing its normal processing. Senator SARBANES. That they normally would do? Ms. MATHEWS. Yes, sir. Senator SARBANES. Senator Simon. Senator SIMON. Thank you, Senator Sarbanes. Mr. Gearan, you were known--I shouldn't say were known-you are known as Somebody who deals straight with the press and everyone and I think that's probably why you've been nominated to head the Peace Corps, For a while you worked for one of the finest 296 Members, most honest Members of Congress, Congressman Berkley Bedell. When you were tip here you occasionally saw turf battles here on Capitol Hill. You know those things exist. One of the things that we may be talking about between the Justice Department and the White House and the Park Police and the Secret Service is something of a turf battle. Is that an inappropriate characterization of what-I'm not saying that this is responsible for everything, some mistakes were obviously made--but different people were trying to say this is our jurisdiction, you ought to stay out. Is that in part what happened? Mr. GEARAN. Senator, in the immediate aftermath of Vince Foster's death, there were questions about the relevant jurisdiction for the various law enforcement authorities that were involved because of the venue of his death, the position he held, and the nature of the investigation. There were many different law enforcement authorities involved and that's why we sought the guidance from the Department of Justice as to how it would be referred to and how the investigation was going to be conducted, yes, Sir. Senator SIMON. But just to further that, and I don't mean this disrespectfully, everyone wants to do his or her job and there was a question about who takes charge here, White House Counsel, Justice Department and so forth. Here's an area where the lines are not clear. Is that a safe characterization? Mr. GEARAN. Senator, I think certainly in the immediate days after Vince Foster's death, there was a fair amount of confusion as to the appropriate-how it would be referred to as who the-who is in charge of the investigation. One of the purposes of a call to the Justice Department was to describe that, and it was indicated that the point of contact for this investigation would be the Justice Department. Senator SIMON. Now, some people are trying to make something out of the delay on the notification of the note. First, my own reading of the note is that there was nothing there for any. specific cause of delay, in terms of any political reason, but you testified in your deposition that one of the reasons for the delay was that Mrs. Foster was not in Washington and was going to be returning to Washington; is that correct? Mr. GEARAN. That's correct, Senator. By the time that I was informed of the note, it had already been turned over to the Justice Department and to the Park Police, But my understanding is there was both the issue of the President's travel schedule that day as well as Mrs. Foster being in transit from Arkansas, I believe, to Washington that allowed for the lapse of time before it was turned over to the Attorney General and the Park Police, Senator SIMON. Ms. Mathews, on the trash, did you throw any of it away once it was recovered? MS. MATHEWS. The only thing I threw away was the creamer that was half full in the bottom of the bag and was leaking so I did get rid of that. Everything else remained in the bag. Senator SIMON. But you threw nothing away that had any words or anything on it written by Vince Foster? MS. MATHEWS. No, Sir. 297 Senator SIMON. Did anyone suggest that you ought to throw anything away?
Ski Jumping
Ski Jumping It's night time on Bear Mountain and here's the winner of Horrid Nelson Memorial Jump. He's Art Deblin of the Lake Placid Snowbirds. Hard knocks hang in the balance. Art Tokle, brother of the famous Togar Tokle, wins the Franklin Delano Roosevelt Trophy over a field of 48. His jumps of 148 and 154 feet top the field by a wide margin. MLS Art Deblin skiing down sloop doing a long jump. MLS More shots of the same. Skiers going down a slop doing a long jump. MLS Skier jumps and falls.
Golden Gloves
Golden Gloves The annual golden gloves 25th fistic fiesta gets off to a slam bang start as the amateurs, who fight for glory alone tear into each other with the usual quota of kayo s. (KO, knockout) MCU Two fighters mixing it up. CU Two new boxers enter the ring and they box. They box until one looses by a TKO and Burke is the proclaimed winner. Two new boxers enter the ring. Tom Manyon wins his first fight in the Golden Gloves.
President Decorates Korea Heroes
President Decorates Korea Heroes President Truman awards this Nation's Highest award, the Congressional Medal Of Honor, to the wives and parents of five American heroes who gave their lives for freedom in Korea. 7Rs. Dean, wife of the missing gen. Dean, is one of those honored by the president. Meanwhile, in Korea itself, UN. Forces continue to pull back before advancing communist. MCU Military men firing a cannon. MCU Soldier setting supplies a fire. MLS to MCU Military men in trucks and jeeps leaving. North Korea in a very orderly manor. MLS Ultra modern hospital ships stand by in ports to attend to the wounded. MCUS Wounded GI'S lined up in a row Establishing shot - President Truman standing at his desk with American War Heroes wife s and a father of on of the causalities. CU Mrs. Turner mother of Sgt. Turner. CU Edward Brown father of Melvin Brown, last seen beating off communist with a shovel. CU Mrs. Dean wife of General Dean who disappeared. CU Mrs. Henry wife of the lieutenant who fought a one man war. CU Mrs. Watkins whose son was killed in action accept the awards. President Harry S Truman: "I presented more Congressional Medal Of Honor than all the rest of the Presidents put together. But that is because of the fact that these terrible times merits those medals. These honors which were confirmed this morning are all that the country can give in appreciation of the Heroes who lost their life s in defense of our liberties. It's a privilege on my part to be able to do this small thing for the benefits of those who survive these men who made the supreme sacrifice."
Eisenhower: Gen. Ike Tours Pact Nations
Eisenhower: Gen. Ike Tours Pact Nations Gen. Eisenhower, commander of the Atlantic pact nations, begins an on-the-spot tour of European countries in the alliance. Starting with the French, the famous U.S. undertakes to find out the forces available to his anti-red command. MCU General Eisenhower getting out of a car walking up steps. MCU People standing on the side lines to cheer and welcome General Eisenhower. MCU France's head of state. Prime minister Renee Peron. MCU Ike shaking hands with foreign minister Shoeman. MOHS Eisenhower with Frances heads of state and military chiefs. CU Eisenhower and his Chief of State General Albert Gunther. MCU Media photographers. MCU Eisenhower back in the car looking out the window and the car pulling away.
Bucking Broncs Of The Briny
Bucking Broncs Of The Briny Something new in sporting thrills. An outboard motor steeplechase! Six daring skippers pilot their trim craft over the jumps and through the trees, with reckless and spectacular abandon. Hold on to your seats, this'll kill you! MCU Seven speed boats in the water. CU Speed boat Mercury Kid. MLS A boat jumping over a small island. MCU Boats jumping over walls. MCU Speed boats going over land and back into the water. MLS Two speed boats facing opposite directions jump over the wall together. MLS Dick Polk Jr. wins the boat race.
July 25, 1995 - Part 4
(14:50:22) Let me look at 000653. There we see "Please call signal for a call from the Chief of' and then "Staff' appears on the next line. Then the next line after that is deleted by pager which is exactly the way the message to Mr. Watkins read. The same thing happens to the next message right on that document, "Please call signal switchboard for call holding with" and then it goes down and the next line reads "Dee Dee Myers." Michael, you pursued this, do you have a view on this? I want to make sure I get this accurate. But it would be my understanding, on the basis of this, that the word number in this message you showed to Mr. Watkins on his pager was part of the message. Mr. CHERTOFF. I think that's probably right. I mean, I'm judging from the inference that's being drawn. I think that's probably correct. Senator SARBANES. OK. Then that, of course, would make your recollection even more consistent with what was quoted from Patsy Thomasson's deposition to you in the earlier questioning when Patsy Thomasson said, "After I had dinner at Sequoia, my pager went off. When I went in, the pager said call David Watkins through the White House switchboard. Called the switchboard and asked to talk to Mr. Watkins and she said give me your number, he wants to call you back. I said I'm at a pay phone, why don't you just let me hold. So I held until she could get Mr. Watkins back on the telephone for me." So I think all of that then is more consistent with the testimony we've heard and, also, the pager message becomes consistent with the testimony that we've heard. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Murkowski. OPENING COMMENTS OF SENATOR FRANK H. MURKOWSKI Senator MURKOWSKI. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In reviewing your depositions, Mr. Watkins, you indicate that you don't remember any discussion on securing the office- Mr. WATKINS. That's correct, Senator. Senator MURKOWSKI. -as made reference to by Sergeant Cheryl Braun. When you rode out to the Foster residence, who else was in the Park Police car? Mr. WATKINS. Officer Braun and Officer Rolla. Senator MURKOWSKI. Major Hines was not in the automobile at that time? Mr. WATKINS. No, sir. Senator MURKOWSKI. Your wife was not with you; is that correct, she was following? 299 Mr. WATKINS. That's correct. Senator MURKOWSKI. How did you get home? Where did you go after you left the Foster residence? Mr. WATKINS. I went home to my home. Senator MURKOWSKI. How did you get home? Mr. WATKINS. I went with my-as I recall, I went with my wife in the car. Senator MURKOWSKI. OK. You did not go with the Park Police, they simply picked you up. Mr, WATKINS, Yes, that's correct. Senator MURKOWSKI. I believe at the Foster home you indicated that you talked to Patsy Thomasson and told her to look for a note. Have you conversed with her since as to where she looked specifically? Did you have any knowledge if she looked in the briefcase? Mr. WATKINS. No, I-when she called me back, she said David, I've looked for a note. There is no note, and I accepted that. Senator MURKOWSKI. Since that time, and in view of the fact that the torn-up note was later found in the briefcase, have you had occasion to talk to her about the fact that they found the note in the briefcase or anything relative to the note being found and the realization that she had assured you she didn't find a note when she looked? Mr. WATKINS. I don't recall having any conversation with Patsy after that about a note. Senator MURKOWSKI. About the note or the finding of the note? Mr. WATKINS. No, sir. Senator MURKOWSKI. Do you have any explanation as to why Sergeant Braun would recall quite vividly the fact that she had asked you to seal Foster's office and your response that you don't remember that conversation?
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(14:55:38) Mr. WATKINS. Senator, my response would be that if this city has to try to find that someone is lying about it, then that's one thing. But as I've stated repeatedly today, I'm not saying Officer Braun doesn't believe she said that. I'm saying if she said it, I did not hear it, Had I heard it, I would have taken action. That's what I do. That's what my job was. I would have done one of three things: I would have notified the Chief of Staff, who was there, I would have notified the Counsel's Office, or would have said let's talk to the Secret Service. I do not recall Officer Braun making any request of me to lock or seal the office. Senator MURKOWSKI. Recognizing the circumstances, and hindsight, of course, is cheap, but in your opinion, should the office have been sealed? You indicated that you had responsibility as Assistant to the President for Management Administration. Mr. WATKINS. Senator, at the time the concern was to find-to determine the why of Vince doing that. The Park Police had been in constant contact or had been in contact for over 5-for about 5 hours with the Secret Service, and had there been, had they felt there was a compelling need to do that, I assume they would have requested that. I didn't think it was my responsibility. It never occurred to me that it was my responsibility to have the office sealed. Senator MURKOWSKI. When you went back to the office the next day, you had access to Foster's office the next day? 300 Mr. WATKINS. I did? No, sir. Senator MURKOWSKI. So you did not go into Foster's office, Mr. WATKINS. No. Senator MURKOWSKI. At all? Mr. WATKINS. No, sir. Senator MURKOWSKI. Mr. Gearan, I'm going to refer to notes that you indicated to the Committee you took with regard to the phone call from Phil Heymann. I think that was--I'm not sure of the notation here as to just when that occurred, but it's been made reference to by the Committee previously and it bears 11:45, 7/29 on the top. It's your notes regarding the Phil Heymann phone call. I'd ask that perhaps the witness be provided with those notes. Have you got them there? Mr. GEARAN. Senator, this is the phone call made at 11:45 on July 29th. Senator MURKOWSKI. That's the one. 11:45, July 29. Mr. GEARAN. Yes, I have that. Senator MURKOWSKI. At the bottom of the page, there's a reference that reads as follows: "There's a sense from Park Police and including Phil," that would be Phil Heymann, "and Department of Justice and probably the Washington field office, that too much of the investigation inquiry before, when, after was exercised by the White House and those too close to Vince." Then there's a notation, "suspicions extremely dangerous, do everything in your power to quiet suspicion." Then further, "I've had heated discussions on the way the documents were handled," I'm not sure "review," I guess, "Janet Reno." Then the last page of those, page 4 of this note, under the reference "PH," Phil Heymann, "d-o-c," documents, "have been distributed over my objections." Are these the same documents in each case referred to on page 2 with your interpretation I've had heated discussions by the way the documents were handled and then it says Bernie and, recognizing these are Heymann's comments, do you have any reason to believe that that reference to documents is the same as the reference at the conclusion of page 4? Do you know what documents Mr. Heymann was referring to specifically? Senator SARBANES. Mr. Chairman, would Senator Murkowski yield for a question? Senator MURKOWSKI. Sure. Senator SARBANES. Is this the same note that Senator Shelby questioned about extensively this morning? The CHAIRMAN. Yes. Senator SARBANES. It is the same? The CHAIRMAN. They are the same notes. Senator MURKOWSKI. If I may respond, my questions are specific to the documents themselves as to, see
July 25, 1995 - Part 4
(15:00:37) Senator SARBANES. I wasn't suggesting that it was in some way inappropriate not to ask further questions about it. I just wanted to be clear that it was the same set of notes. The CHAIRMAN. Yes, it is. Mr. GEARAN. Senator, this is a conversation that I had with. David Gergen to Phil Heymann relative to seeking guidance from him on what the White House should say that day or in the days that followed about the contents of the note that was found in Mr. 301 Foster's briefcase. We sought their guidance about what we should say to the press. In the instance that you refer to, on page 4, my reading of these notes is that, Mr. Heymann was saying that the documents, meaning the note itself, had been distributed over my objections. At the top of that Senator MURKOWSKI. The documents vis-a-vis the note itself? Mr. GEARAN. Senator, elsewhere in my notes here it's referred to in the plural. I suspect because the note, as you know, at that point was many different pieces, as you can see on page 3 under Mr. Heymann's conversation at the bottom, it says "it's better if you avoid any statements other than you turned them over." "Them" being, of course, the many pieces of paper that the note was torn into. Senator MURKOWSKI. The 27 pieces of paper, is that what you are referring to? Mr. GEARAN. If that's the-yes, sir. Senator MURKOWSKI. Well Mr. GEARAN. So to answer your question, if I may, this last statement on page 4, "documents have been distributed over my objection," I think can be read following up on the comment he made at the beginning of page 4, "1 learned that FBI field office was informed of the document." The recollection that I have of that conversation was that there was a fairly high level of concern that this note would be released, the contents of it, because of the wide dissemination of this, at least the contents of the note. I think that's what he's referring to at the top of page 4. He again references it at the end of our conversation. Senator MURKOWSKI. Mr. Chairman, if I may just refer to page 2 again and draw a parallel to the conclusion of page 4. "1 had heated discussions on the way docs," d-o-c; "were handled," that was on page 2, "Bernie," which would differentiate between how, for example, a note were handled. I also would refer to the conclusion of page 4 where again "docs," the implication being documents as opposed to a note, but I just wanted to point that out for the record relative to the fact that we have your opinion relative to the identification of the documents being limited to the pieces of paper in the note, the suicide note; is that correct? Mr. GEARAN. Mr. Chairman, if I might The CHAIRMAN. Let me at this point say-and I'm going to give you an opportunity to respond, and I'm going to accept your recollection at this time, but I think it's pretty difficult to square it up when you refer to the note in particular. I think that's what Senator Murkowski is pointing to on page 2 as opposed to documents, and I think Senator Shelby touched on that earlier. I think clearly it leads us to believe that these are two different-at least some of us, to believe that these are two different instruments. Now, I'm not questioning what your recollection is. You are trying to recall back, but I have to tell you-and we will get to this obviously because we will speak to Mr. Gergen and we will speak to Mr. Heymann, so I don ' t think we should press on any furtherbut I think it's reasonable to believe that there was a discussion by Mr. Heymann as it relates to the documents and the handling 302 of them in the handling of the entire matter, not just the note. If you read all of your notes in context I think that comes through. At least I see that. It's rather troubling to think that he was only talking about the note. But I understand what your call was made for. The purpose of your call, I do not dispute that. The purpose of your call was to get guidance and that has been brought out and I think that you've testified to the best of your ability here. So I don't want to press on any further with that. Senator, do you want to conclude? Senator MURKOWSKI. I'm finished, Mr. Chair-man. Thank YOU.
Chihuahua Club Gets Together In Miami
Chihuahua Club Gets Together In Miami Petite pooches strut their stuff in preview for specialty show. Chihuahuas get dressed up in fancy clothes for cute parade that will tickle all dog lovers. MLS The owners, breeders of the Chihuahua put their pups on a long table that is lined with winner ribbons. MCU Camera pans the Chihuahuas. CU Long haired Chihuahua pups in a basket. CU Angelina the queen wearing her crown. CU Three Chihuahua sitting together booking bored with the whole thing. CU Chihuahua with a bonnet. CU Young girl with a drum majorette hat holding two Chihuahuas, one in each arm, she kisses the dogs. CU Chihuahua wearing a hat with a feather, dog yawning.
UN Fights Delaying Action On Peninsula
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Bitter Weather Adds To Miseries Of Battle
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Bitter Weather Adds To Miseries Of Battle
Bitter Weather Adds To Miseries Of Battle CU Secretary of State, Dean G Acheson sitting behind his desk. State Secretary Acheson bars any appeasement of red China and says this country will press aggressor charges against Peiping. Secretary of State, Dean G Acheson make a red reply: "The reply of the Chinese Communist to the United Nations cease fire proposal is still further evidence of their contemptuous disregard for a world wide demand for peace. Their so called counter proposal nothing less than an outright rejection. Once again the Peiping regime has shown a total lack of interest in a peaceful settlement of the Korean question".
July 25, 1995 - Part 4
(15:05:32) Mr. GEARAN. Mr. Chairman, if I might, just to make that point in summary. It's my recollection that the purpose of the call was to discuss the actual note itself The CHAIRMAN. Sure. Mr. GEARAN. -not the files, not the search, but because it was already known by the public and the press that a note had been found, the contents of the note was of considerable interest. That was the purpose of this call and it's my recollection that that was the context of our discussion. The CHAIRMAN. Let me just make a statement here, I don't think you are being fair to yourself, and maybe not even to the Committee, because on page 134 of your deposition you say: Heymann had heated discussions on the way the documents were handled with Bernie Nussbaum. Question., That's the review process with regard to the documents? Answer: That's how I would read that, yes. So there was, it would appear, some discussion as it related to the overall handling of the documents as well as your inquiry with respect to the dissemination of the note. I just share that with you, that's at least what I get from it. In your deposition you acknowledge that; isn't that true? Mr. GEARAN. Yes, Mr. Chairman. I've acknowledged it here as well. I think Mr. Heymann was expressing that concern as well. The CHAIRMAN. In other words, Mr. Heymann did express a concern as it related to the handling of all of the documents as well as what should be done with the note; is that true? Mr. GEARAN. He said that elsewhere in the notes, that he had had, quote, heated discussions. The CHAIRMAN. OK. I just think it's important that we put that in the proper context. Senator MURKOWSKI. Mr. Chairman. The CHAIRMAN. Yes. Senator MURKOWSKI. In referring to page 2 of the notes The CHAIRMAN. Senator, I'll come right back to you, but I really think because the Minority has been very, very patient Senator MURKOWSKI. Just let me make one very quick Senator SARBANES. Let's clarify this because I don't want Mr. Gearan to be Senator MURKOWSKI. I'll be very brief, Mr. Chairman. Senator SARBANES. I don't think we're trying to do that. Senator MURKOWSKI. I'll be very brief. As I read the communication of the notes of the Heymann call on page 2, "I've had heated, discussions on the way does were handled, Bernie." That implies 303 past tense a opposed to the note which is, in effect, a current in the sense of a tense. So that's why it's confusing to me as I read this and interpret documents specifically were handled as past tense, vis-a-vis note which had just been, I think, found because it was only held for what, 24 hours, so that's why I would read this to imply documents. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Sarbanes. Senator SARBANES. Mr. Gearan, do you want to elaborate on that? Mr. GEARAN. Senator, I've tried to testify to the best of my recollection as well as summarizing my notes. I guess my only, my point was this was a discussion seeking guidance from the Justice Department on how we should talk about this note. This is how we would answer press questions. Senator SARBANES. It's not inconsistent with such a discussion for Heymann to express the view that he had had heated discussions with Bernie on how the documents were handled, we know that was the case. Mr. GEARAN. No, and I think the general context of the discussion was that we should not do anything that would raise any suspicions on the part of anyone, and that's, indeed, why we were seeking the Justice Department guidance on this, so obviously we followed his advice. Senator SARBANES. This actually was an effort on your part to make sure everything was done in as an appropriate a fashion as was possible? Mr. GEARAN. Yes, Senator. Senator SARBANES. Senator Murray. OPENING COMMENTS OF SENATOR PATTY MURRAY Senator MURRAY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just want to clear up some of your statements, Ms. Mathews, and sum up your testimony this morning, I want to make sure I understood you correctly. Is it correct that you, on your own initiative, arranged to have the trash bag from Foster's office retrieved and preserved-, is that correct? MS. MATHEWS. Yes, it was my own initiative and then I confirmed the idea with the senior staff people who were around. Senator MURRAY. They told you that that was a good idea; is that correct? Ms. MATHEWS. Yes, ma'am. Senator MURRAY. Your intention was to preserve evidence; correct? Ms. MATHEWS. Yes, and to see if there was a note. Senator MURRAY. It was also on your own initiative that you asked for the burn bag material to be retrieved. That was your own initiative as well? Ms. MATHEWS. Yes. I again asked and was told initially that it was a good idea. Senator MURRAY. It was to preserve evidence; correct? Ms. MATHEWS. To see if there was a note. 304
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July 25, 1995 - Part 4
(15:10:30) Senator MURRAY. I also understood you to say that you stopped looking through the commingled burn bag for two reasons: because you learned that Foster had no burn bag in his office, and because you learned that the commingled burn bag contained sensitive, classified material from the West Wing; is that correct? Ms. MATHEWS. Yes, I stopped looking because of the sensitivity, We put the bag away after we found out about the Vincent Foster part, that there wasn't one in his office. Senator MURRAY. Thank you. I wanted to clarify that. Mr. Watkins, it was my understanding you described the general scene of the Foster family home as one of chaos; is that correct? Mr. WATKINS. It was, it was one of great confusion, yes, Senator, Senator MURRAY. It's not surprising in that kind of a situation. Mr. WATKINS. No. Senator MURRAY. Was it your perception that Mrs. Foster was very anxious to find a note explaining what her husband's state of mind was? Mr. WATKINS. Mrs. Foster was interested in getting an explanation of why, and a note, we thought, might have done that. Senator MURRAY. Were other people expressing that same feeling, that a note may explain the unexplainable? Mr. WATKINS. Yes, there was some general discussion about a note. Senator MURRAY. Would you have supported efforts to get to the bottom of the reasons for Mr. Foster's suicide? Mr. WATKINS. I'm sorry? Senator MURRAY. Were you looking for a way to get to the bottom of Mr. Foster's suicide? Mr. WATKINS. Yes. Senator MURRAY. You too were looking for Mr. WATKINS. Yes, my personal question to myself was why, why did Vince do this. Senator MURRAY. Did you have any reason to impede an investigation into his suicide? Mr. WATKINS. Absolutely none. Senator MURRAY. Did you have any reason to stop police officers from searching for a note? Mr. WATKINS. Absolutely none. Senator MURRAY. Wouldn't you say that the opposite is the case, that you would have been all relieved to find a note at that point? Mr. WATKINS. Yes. Senator MURRAY. Thank you. One other, thing. When you spoke with Patsy Thomasson, did you ever discuss files in Vince's office? Mr. WATKINS. I did not. Senator MURRAY. Did you know what was in his files in his office, by any chance? Mr. WATKINS. No, I had no idea. Senator MURRAY. None to your knowledge. Mr. WATKINS. No. Senator MURRAY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'll yield back my time. Senator SARBANES. Senator Dodd. Senator DODD. Just very briefly, Mr. Chairman, because I know we want to move on, I think, to the next panel of witnesses. Let 305 me thank all three of you for your testimony here today, and I would just say to all three of you that we've obviously heard a lot of characterizations and of how these events or actions were carried out. Some have talked about it as late night searches and rummaging around, uncontrolled rummaging and so forth, and to hide materials and the like. The heart of the question, I guess, for all of us here, is obviously was there any obstruction? Were there people trying to hide or conceal the materials or destroy materials that would otherwise be relevant to this Committee?