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Chihuahua Club Gets Together In Miami
Chihuahua Club Gets Together In Miami Petite pooches strut their stuff in preview for specialty show. Chihuahuas get dressed up in fancy clothes for cute parade that will tickle all dog lovers. MLS The owners, breeders of the Chihuahua put their pups on a long table that is lined with winner ribbons. MCU Camera pans the Chihuahuas. CU Long haired Chihuahua pups in a basket. CU Angelina the queen wearing her crown. CU Three Chihuahua sitting together booking bored with the whole thing. CU Chihuahua with a bonnet. CU Young girl with a drum majorette hat holding two Chihuahuas, one in each arm, she kisses the dogs. CU Chihuahua wearing a hat with a feather, dog yawning.
UN Fights Delaying Action On Peninsula
UN Fights Delaying Action On Peninsula Latest pictures from the fighting front in Korea, where desperate delaying actions by hard-pressed United Nations forces are holding back the Communists. Cameraman goes close to front lines to bring back thrilling action scenes of combat. 'Saber' jet fighters tangle with Russian Mig's shoot one down in flames. MCU United Nations troop tanks driving towards the camera in the shot there is a dog. MCU More UN tanks different angle. CU A plane that's been tore up pretty bad. CU American soldiers walking along the side of the road with their riffles on their shoulders. American soldiers walking a snowy hill with riffles on their shoulders. MCU Field officers in command are deploying their troops in a thin line across to prevent the flagging attacks of the Red army. CU Army medic attending a soldier that has been wounded. LS Engineers repairing demolished bridges to permit the evacuation of emergency vehicles. CU American soldier sliding down a hill with his riffle on his shoulder. MCU Three more soldiers making their way down a Korean hill. MCU A Korean road with troops carrying their weapons evacuating the area. Four soldiers carrying a wounded man on a stretcher. MLS Saber jets taking off from the air strips in Korea. MLS Three Saber Jets airborne when a Russian Mig invaded the air space the UN pilots have the jet in their sights. MLS The Russian Mig being fatally hit and going down. MLS Aerial shots of the pilots in the planes and the enemy on the ground exchanging gun fire.
Bitter Weather Adds To Miseries Of Battle
Bitter Weather Adds To Miseries Of Battle Snow and frigid winds add to the discomforts of patrol actions along the fluid front in Korea. With red hordes poised for another all-out attack, Americans and their UN. Allies dig in during a blizzard. After days on end in sub-zero temperature, UN troops adopt desperate measures for a little warmth. Hot coffee is a rare luxury. Cold everlasting bone chilling cold as the troops stabilize their position in the Korean hills just below the 38th Parallel. American and other UN soldiers walking down a Korean road. MLS US Army tents covered with snow and soldiers chopping wood. MLS Two army men throwing some gasoline on a fire a desperate measure to get a little warmth. CU Soldier drinking hot coffee, more soldiers standing around a camp fire. MLS Plane dropping army supplies, soldiers running out to gather up the supplies. MLS A scenic view of the snow covered hills of Korea and US soldiers try stabilizing their positions just below the 38th parallel in the Korean hills. MLS Throngs of refugees trying to escape the war that engulf their land.
Bitter Weather Adds To Miseries Of Battle
Bitter Weather Adds To Miseries Of Battle CU Secretary of State, Dean G Acheson sitting behind his desk. State Secretary Acheson bars any appeasement of red China and says this country will press aggressor charges against Peiping. Secretary of State, Dean G Acheson make a red reply: "The reply of the Chinese Communist to the United Nations cease fire proposal is still further evidence of their contemptuous disregard for a world wide demand for peace. Their so called counter proposal nothing less than an outright rejection. Once again the Peiping regime has shown a total lack of interest in a peaceful settlement of the Korean question".
July 25, 1995 - Part 4
(15:05:32) Mr. GEARAN. Mr. Chairman, if I might, just to make that point in summary. It's my recollection that the purpose of the call was to discuss the actual note itself The CHAIRMAN. Sure. Mr. GEARAN. -not the files, not the search, but because it was already known by the public and the press that a note had been found, the contents of the note was of considerable interest. That was the purpose of this call and it's my recollection that that was the context of our discussion. The CHAIRMAN. Let me just make a statement here, I don't think you are being fair to yourself, and maybe not even to the Committee, because on page 134 of your deposition you say: Heymann had heated discussions on the way the documents were handled with Bernie Nussbaum. Question., That's the review process with regard to the documents? Answer: That's how I would read that, yes. So there was, it would appear, some discussion as it related to the overall handling of the documents as well as your inquiry with respect to the dissemination of the note. I just share that with you, that's at least what I get from it. In your deposition you acknowledge that; isn't that true? Mr. GEARAN. Yes, Mr. Chairman. I've acknowledged it here as well. I think Mr. Heymann was expressing that concern as well. The CHAIRMAN. In other words, Mr. Heymann did express a concern as it related to the handling of all of the documents as well as what should be done with the note; is that true? Mr. GEARAN. He said that elsewhere in the notes, that he had had, quote, heated discussions. The CHAIRMAN. OK. I just think it's important that we put that in the proper context. Senator MURKOWSKI. Mr. Chairman. The CHAIRMAN. Yes. Senator MURKOWSKI. In referring to page 2 of the notes The CHAIRMAN. Senator, I'll come right back to you, but I really think because the Minority has been very, very patient Senator MURKOWSKI. Just let me make one very quick Senator SARBANES. Let's clarify this because I don't want Mr. Gearan to be Senator MURKOWSKI. I'll be very brief, Mr. Chairman. Senator SARBANES. I don't think we're trying to do that. Senator MURKOWSKI. I'll be very brief. As I read the communication of the notes of the Heymann call on page 2, "I've had heated, discussions on the way does were handled, Bernie." That implies 303 past tense a opposed to the note which is, in effect, a current in the sense of a tense. So that's why it's confusing to me as I read this and interpret documents specifically were handled as past tense, vis-a-vis note which had just been, I think, found because it was only held for what, 24 hours, so that's why I would read this to imply documents. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Sarbanes. Senator SARBANES. Mr. Gearan, do you want to elaborate on that? Mr. GEARAN. Senator, I've tried to testify to the best of my recollection as well as summarizing my notes. I guess my only, my point was this was a discussion seeking guidance from the Justice Department on how we should talk about this note. This is how we would answer press questions. Senator SARBANES. It's not inconsistent with such a discussion for Heymann to express the view that he had had heated discussions with Bernie on how the documents were handled, we know that was the case. Mr. GEARAN. No, and I think the general context of the discussion was that we should not do anything that would raise any suspicions on the part of anyone, and that's, indeed, why we were seeking the Justice Department guidance on this, so obviously we followed his advice. Senator SARBANES. This actually was an effort on your part to make sure everything was done in as an appropriate a fashion as was possible? Mr. GEARAN. Yes, Senator. Senator SARBANES. Senator Murray. OPENING COMMENTS OF SENATOR PATTY MURRAY Senator MURRAY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just want to clear up some of your statements, Ms. Mathews, and sum up your testimony this morning, I want to make sure I understood you correctly. Is it correct that you, on your own initiative, arranged to have the trash bag from Foster's office retrieved and preserved-, is that correct? MS. MATHEWS. Yes, it was my own initiative and then I confirmed the idea with the senior staff people who were around. Senator MURRAY. They told you that that was a good idea; is that correct? Ms. MATHEWS. Yes, ma'am. Senator MURRAY. Your intention was to preserve evidence; correct? Ms. MATHEWS. Yes, and to see if there was a note. Senator MURRAY. It was also on your own initiative that you asked for the burn bag material to be retrieved. That was your own initiative as well? Ms. MATHEWS. Yes. I again asked and was told initially that it was a good idea. Senator MURRAY. It was to preserve evidence; correct? Ms. MATHEWS. To see if there was a note. 304
Rough-riding Jaycees Stage Texas Rodeo
Shaky dark, blurry and dull in contrast and imagery Rough-riding Jaycees Stage Texas Rodeo The 16th edition of the Junior Chamber of Commerce Rodeo is jam-packed with action and excitement, as youthful riders pit their skill against brawny bulls and rip-snorting broncos.
Korea: America Goes All Out To Back United Nations
Shaky dark, blurry and dull in contrast and imagery Korea: America Goes All Out To Back United Nations America, spearheading the United Nations "Police Action", gird for a long fight and increases the number of draftees being called into US armed services. Allied forces in South Korea fight desperate rear guard actions to hold off Communist advances. Casualties begin to mount. American troops continue to arrive in increasing numbers, and general Macarthur personally visits the battle front, pitiful streams of refugees flee advancing red forces. Back home, marines prepare to embark for Japan and Canadian destroyers sail to fight with other warships under the united nations aegis.
Long Island: Firemen's Tournament
Shaky dark, blurry and dull in contrast and imagery Long Island: Firemen's Tournament Racing up ladders, dropping off trucks underway, and reeling out the hose at top speed-these are spectacular highlights of Suffolk county volunteer firemen's tourney.
Oregon, Timber Carnival
Shaky dark, blurry and dull in contrast and imagery Oregon, Timber Carnival Hardy woodsmen of the northwest engage in thrilling contests, including speed climbing an up righted log, sawing and log rolling. The boys get warm but cool off during the log rolling.
July 25, 1995 - Part 4
(15:10:30) Senator MURRAY. I also understood you to say that you stopped looking through the commingled burn bag for two reasons: because you learned that Foster had no burn bag in his office, and because you learned that the commingled burn bag contained sensitive, classified material from the West Wing; is that correct? Ms. MATHEWS. Yes, I stopped looking because of the sensitivity, We put the bag away after we found out about the Vincent Foster part, that there wasn't one in his office. Senator MURRAY. Thank you. I wanted to clarify that. Mr. Watkins, it was my understanding you described the general scene of the Foster family home as one of chaos; is that correct? Mr. WATKINS. It was, it was one of great confusion, yes, Senator, Senator MURRAY. It's not surprising in that kind of a situation. Mr. WATKINS. No. Senator MURRAY. Was it your perception that Mrs. Foster was very anxious to find a note explaining what her husband's state of mind was? Mr. WATKINS. Mrs. Foster was interested in getting an explanation of why, and a note, we thought, might have done that. Senator MURRAY. Were other people expressing that same feeling, that a note may explain the unexplainable? Mr. WATKINS. Yes, there was some general discussion about a note. Senator MURRAY. Would you have supported efforts to get to the bottom of the reasons for Mr. Foster's suicide? Mr. WATKINS. I'm sorry? Senator MURRAY. Were you looking for a way to get to the bottom of Mr. Foster's suicide? Mr. WATKINS. Yes. Senator MURRAY. You too were looking for Mr. WATKINS. Yes, my personal question to myself was why, why did Vince do this. Senator MURRAY. Did you have any reason to impede an investigation into his suicide? Mr. WATKINS. Absolutely none. Senator MURRAY. Did you have any reason to stop police officers from searching for a note? Mr. WATKINS. Absolutely none. Senator MURRAY. Wouldn't you say that the opposite is the case, that you would have been all relieved to find a note at that point? Mr. WATKINS. Yes. Senator MURRAY. Thank you. One other, thing. When you spoke with Patsy Thomasson, did you ever discuss files in Vince's office? Mr. WATKINS. I did not. Senator MURRAY. Did you know what was in his files in his office, by any chance? Mr. WATKINS. No, I had no idea. Senator MURRAY. None to your knowledge. Mr. WATKINS. No. Senator MURRAY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'll yield back my time. Senator SARBANES. Senator Dodd. Senator DODD. Just very briefly, Mr. Chairman, because I know we want to move on, I think, to the next panel of witnesses. Let 305 me thank all three of you for your testimony here today, and I would just say to all three of you that we've obviously heard a lot of characterizations and of how these events or actions were carried out. Some have talked about it as late night searches and rummaging around, uncontrolled rummaging and so forth, and to hide materials and the like. The heart of the question, I guess, for all of us here, is obviously was there any obstruction? Were there people trying to hide or conceal the materials or destroy materials that would otherwise be relevant to this Committee?
July 25, 1995 - Part 5
(15:15:25) Mr. WATKINS. No, Senator. senator DODD. I thank you, Mr. Chairman. I thank you. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Faircloth. senator FAIRCLOTH. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Watkins, earlier you told us that you did not know whether Ms. Thomasson had a security clearance as of July 20, 1993. But in your deposition you stated, "whether she had a security clearance, I don't believe she did." You also said that you knew generally that she had worked for Dan Lasater. Mr. Watkins, what I'm asking you is, did you believe that Ms. Thomasson was not getting a security clearance because of her 10 years' association with Mr. Lasater who is a convicted drug dealer? Mr. WATKINS. Senator, I believe my testimony this morning was that I did not have confidence whether Ms. Thomasson had a security clearance or not at that time. Absolutely not. The only reason for her lack of a security clearance was the processing, Senator FAIRCLOTH. You don't think her association for 10 years with a man who was a convicted drug dealer may have raised any suspicion with the FBI? Mr. WATKINS. I do not. Senator FAIRCLOTH, Have you dealt with the FBI very much? Mr. WATKINS. I also went through an extensive security clearance process myself, Senator. Senator FAIRCLOTH. According to Business Week, Hillary Clinton invested $2,000 in a cellular telephone business and turned a profit rather quickly of $46,000. We now know Vince Foster was working on the tax returns of the Clintons, at the time of his death. Was Mr. Foster working on any item relating to Arkansas Cellular and Hillary Clinton's $46,000 profit? Senator SARBANES. Mr. Chairman, this once again is clearly outside the scope of what's in the resolution. Senator FAIRCLOTH. It is within the scope. Senator SARBANES. It certainly is not. The CHAIRMAN. I'm going to let Mr. Watkins answer it. I think the question is whether or not he was aware of any tax work that Mr. Foster would have been doing with respect to that particular transaction. He can answer yes or no and that will be it. Senator FAIRCLOTH. The relevance, Mr. Chairman, is that it could explain why Watkins ordered Patsy Thomasson to go to Vince 307 Foster's office that night. It may have been to remove documents relating to the deal. senator SARBANES. Most anything would explain that, Senator. It's not within the scope to look within Arkansas Cellular. The CHAIRMAN. Just for the purpose of ascertaining whether Mr. Watkins had any knowledge or not, as it relates to whether there may have been documents there, I'm going to allow it, but just for that purpose. Mr. Watkins, did you have any knowledge of that? Mr. WATKINS. I'm confused as to what the question is. The CHAIRMAN. Whether there was a question with respect to taxes on that particular transaction? Mr. WATKINS. No. The CHAIRMAN. You had no knowledge of that? Mr. WATKINS. No, that transaction was completed in 1987. The CHAIRMAN. So the chances are that there would be no tax treatment you know of that would have been open in 1992? Mr. WATKINS. That's correct. The CHAIRMAN. All right. That's all. Senator FAIRCLOTH. It was completed in 1987, so it would not have been. That's the answer I was trying to get. OK. Patsy Thomasson delivered to you at the Foster home a copy of a press statement on Mr. Foster's death; the night of the suicide, she delivered a press 8release to you at the house; is that right?
52 Hurt In Train Crash
52 Hurt In Train Crash Fifty-two commuters were hurt and 200 were shaken up as a long island passenger train crashed into the rear of a freight. MS of the train laying on its side with sparks and smoke. MS looking at a twisted mass of metal. The only way you can distinguish it was any kind of train is by its wheels. You see just a few people milling around in the background. MS of the train halfway derailed. CU S of one of the trains cars laying on its side. Once again you see onlookers if not surviving passengers assessing the damage of the train. MS of the surviving passengers being directed to board another train so they can continue their journey.
Women Divers Excel At AAU Senior Meet
Women Divers Excel At AAU Senior Meet The nation's top women divers put on a championship show off the high platform and the one-meter board. Pat McCormick sweeps the field in all classes. By today standards of diving these ladies are doing an exceptional job. You can tell by their body form in the dive and the degreee of the splash as they enter the water. The smaller the splash, the better and cleaner the dive.
Korea: United Nations Forces
Korea: United Nations Forces Reinforcements continue to pour into Korea as united nations forces halt the red advance on Russian. GI's screen infiltrating north Koreans and search them for weapons. General Mac Arthur visits Formosa for a discussion with General Issimo Chiang on the defense of the Vital Island Bastion. Back home in this country, the United Nations security council. Formosa General Macarthur getting off a military plane with other high brass officers. They are picked up by military driver in a car. Asian dignitaries getting out of a car. MS of General Issimo Chiang, General Macarthur and other dignitaries. Road lined with South Korean soldiers 3-deep. MS of soldiers loading a bazooka and bombing the hill side of Korea. US soldiers with North Korean POW's, one seems to be wounded. Aerial shot of US Plane firing on North Koreans. Shots of US soldiers talking and smiling. Military men marching their colors next to a battleship. United States United Nations Member Addresses the Council: "What member of this Security Council is assisting in the security council, the invaders, the Soviet (audio cuts out) Who has the influence and the power to call of the invading Northern Korean Army? The Soviet Union..."
Sugar Ray Outpoints
Sugar Ray Outpoints Sugar Ray Robinson, in the last defense of his Welterweight Ttle, completely outclasses Charley Fuser, taking thirteen out of the fifteen rounds, in a bout that was staged for the Runyon Cancer Fund. Among the celebrities on hand are Jim farley, Walter Winchell and Gene Tunney.
July 25, 1995 - Part 5
(15:10:51)(tape #10124 begins) Ms. MATHEWS. Yes, I stopped looking because of the sensitivity, We put the bag away after we found out about the Vincent Foster part, that there wasn't one in his office. Senator MURRAY. Thank you. I wanted to clarify that. Mr. Watkins, it was my understanding you described the general scene of the Foster family home as one of chaos; is that correct? Mr. WATKINS. It was, it was one of great confusion, yes, Senator, Senator MURRAY. It's not surprising in that kind of a situation. Mr. WATKINS. No. Senator MURRAY. Was it your perception that Mrs. Foster was very anxious to find a note explaining what her husband's state of mind was? Mr. WATKINS. Mrs. Foster was interested in getting an explanation of why, and a note, we thought, might have done that. Senator MURRAY. Were other people expressing that same feeling, that a note may explain the unexplainable? Mr. WATKINS. Yes, there was some general discussion about a note. Senator MURRAY. Would you have supported efforts to get to the bottom of the reasons for Mr. Foster's suicide? Mr. WATKINS. I'm sorry? Senator MURRAY. Were you looking for a way to get to the bottom of Mr. Foster's suicide? Mr. WATKINS. Yes. Senator MURRAY. You too were looking for Mr. WATKINS. Yes, my personal question to myself was why, why did Vince do this. Senator MURRAY. Did you have any reason to impede an investigation into his suicide? Mr. WATKINS. Absolutely none. Senator MURRAY. Did you have any reason to stop police officers from searching for a note? Mr. WATKINS. Absolutely none. Senator MURRAY. Wouldn't you say that the opposite is the case, that you would have been all relieved to find a note at that point? Mr. WATKINS. Yes. Senator MURRAY. Thank you. One other, thing. When you spoke with Patsy Thomasson, did you ever discuss files in Vince's office? Mr. WATKINS. I did not. Senator MURRAY. Did you know what was in his files in his office, by any chance? Mr. WATKINS. No, I had no idea. Senator MURRAY. None to your knowledge. Mr. WATKINS. No. Senator MURRAY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'll yield back my time. Senator SARBANES. Senator Dodd. Senator DODD. Just very briefly, Mr. Chairman, because I know we want to move on, I think, to the next panel of witnesses. Let 305 me thank all three of you for your testimony here today, and I would just say to all three of you that we've obviously heard a lot of characterizations and of how these events or actions were carried out. Some have talked about it as late night searches and rummaging around, uncontrolled rummaging and so forth, and to hide materials and the like. The heart of the question, I guess, for all of us here, is obviously was there any obstruction? Were there people trying to hide or conceal the materials or destroy materials that would otherwise be relevant to this Committee? (15:13:47)(tape #10123 ends) So I am not going to go into any more excruciating detail of minute by minute here. I think we've explored that pretty thoroughly here today and with your depositions, but I have asked our previous witnesses, those who are pertinent to this, the question I'm going to ask each and every one of you, and I'll ask you to respond to this. Obviously you are all sworn witnesses, and you took the oath when you came in here this morning. Let me start with you, Mr. Gearan, if I can, with the four basic questions that I'm going to ask of every single person who comes before this Committee who were involved or potentially involved with this issue that is the subject of this set of hearings. Now, my colleagues have already raised some of them, but I want to tighten them right down here if I can. I want to know on or after July 20, 1993, which is the date of Vincent Foster's suicide, did anyone ask you or instruct you to destroy any documents from Vincent Foster's office? Mr. GEARAN. No, Senator. Senator DODD. On or after July 20, 1993, did you destroy, yourself, any documents from Vincent Foster's office? Mr. GEARAN. No, Senator. Senator DODD. On or after July 20, 1993, did anyone ask you or instruct you to conceal from law enforcement officials any documents from Vincent Foster's office'? Mr. GEARAN. No, Senator. Senator DODD. Did anyone at any time ask you or instruct you to take any action to impede, obstruct, or otherwise interfere with law enforcement's investigation into Vincent Foster's suicide? Mr. GEARAN, No, Senator, Senator DODD. Ms. Mathews, I'm going to ask you the same set of four questions. On or after July 20, 1993, Vincent Foster's death, did anyone ask you or instruct you to destroy any documents from Vincent Foster's office? MS. MATHEWS. No, sir. Senator DODD. Did you destroy any documents from Vincent Foster's office? MS. MATHEWS. No, sir. Senator DODD. Did anyone ask you or instruct you to conceal from law enforcement officials any documents from Vincent Foster's office? MS. MATHEWS. No, sir. Senator DODD. Did anyone at any time ask you or instruct you to impede, obstruct, or otherwise interfere with law enforcement's investigation of Vincent Foster's suicide? MS. MATHEWS. No, sir. 306 Senator DODD. Finally, Mr. Watkins, the very same questions. Did anyone ask you or instruct you to destroy any documents from Vincent Foster's office? Mr. WATKINS. No, Senator. Senator DODD. Did you destroy any documents from Vincent Foster's office? Mr. WATKINS. No, Senator. Senator DODD. Did anyone ask you or instruct you to conceal from law enforcement officials any documents from Vincent Fos. ter's office? Mr. WATKINS. No, Senator. Senator DODD. Last, at any time did anyone ask you or instruct you to take any action to impede, obstruct, or interfere with law enforcement's investigation of the suicide of Vincent Foster?
Jalopies Race
Jumpy, blurry, dull in contrast and images Jalopies Race Hot rods get really hot on a dirt track and some of the ensuing crashes are really spectacular. The lowly hot-rod comes into its own. The much-misunderstood jalopy proves its worth during speed trials. Watching these cars racing around the track I would venture to guess on MPH to be maybe 75 - 90 (if that) As you watch these cars go around the track, you can see how unstable they are because of being top heavy. One car as its in a turn looses it and goes over landing on its side. The track is not even banked good. This is so prehistoric for car racing it must of been fun to drive those cars at the speeds they were averaging.
Biblical History: Mt. Sinai Treasure
Biblical History: Mt. Sinai Treasure Mount Sinai, cradle of biblical history, reveals basic documents of the Old Testament. At St. Catharine's Monastery, experts from the US Microfilm priceless manuscripts of religious history, to preserve them on film for the future. Mt. Sinai. Overhead shot of town. Mt. Sinai POV at the bottom to top of Mt. Sinai. MCU cross. MLS of religious men going into the church. MS of religious man praying, coffin, artifacts. MCU of religious painting. MS religious man and scholars reading through papers. Photographer taking Micro-Film of The Old Testament. More MCU of St Catharine's Monastery and Mt. Siani.
July 25, 1995 - Part 5
(15:20:17) Mr. WATKINS. I believe she did, yes. Senator FAIRCLOTH. You believe? You don't remember whether she did or not? I believe you'd remember that, wouldn't you? Mr. WATKINS. It is my recollection that she did deliver to me a press statement from the White House Communications Office. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Now, this is important. Did she deliver anything else to you, any other document that night other than a press release? Mr. WATKINS. No, sir. Senator FAIRCLOTH. That's all? Mr. WATKINS. That's all. Senator FAIRCLOTH. All right. I thank you. The CHAIRMAN. In the time remaining I'm going to just-Mr. Watkins, I understand it was a very difficult, confusing time, and I understand you arrived at the house, Vincent Foster's house-terrible calamity, you knew Mrs. Foster, you knew Vince, you knew the people there, Even the officers weren't quite certain as to the time that they arrived, in the area maybe of between 10 p.m. and 10:30. There comes a time, apparently at 10:34, when you notify Patsy Thomasson of Vince's death. The pager showed 10:34. When you testified to this, you said the only reason was to ask Patsy to look for a note, was to look for a motive. But you said when you initially called her you just wanted to let her know, inform her of Vince's death, and I believe that you did. That would be natural. But you then said let me know where you are which would lead some people to believe that not only did you want to bring this to her attention, but that you also wanted to see if she was in the position--and I think reasonably so--to go to the White House and to go to his office to look for a note, because you said everybody was troubled about what was the motive. 308 Now, is that a fair statement? Mr. WATKINS. Yes, sir, that's a fair statement. Yes, sir. -my other questions, The CHAIRMAN. I am not going to ask you but, you see, some Members become concerned when you say-you seem to be saying I wanted to let her know arid then there was a period of time and I heard people talking about--- Mr. WATKINS. No, that's what 1-1 misunderstood what you said then. My recollection is that I beeped Patsy to notify her of Vince's death. When she--when we talked-in the time between beeping her and talking to her there was general discussion about a note. I told her, advised her of Vince's death when I did talk to her and, at that time, asked her to go to his office and look for a note. The CHAIRMAN. OK. All right. Mr. WATKINS. That's what I The CHAIRMAN. You have to understand, between the time you sent out the beep and by the time she returned the page, you had your conversation. She took a cab and went from Georgetown to the White House all within a period of 15 minutes. So I'd have to suggest to you it does not sound as if there was a long period of time after the initial communication. It almost sounds like you reached out to her to tell her he died and to get on over to check and see if there's a note. I don't find anything wrong with that, Again, it's a hectic night, but that's the way the fact pattern appears at least to me. Yes, Senator Dodd. Senator DODD. I was struck by that too, the time sequence. Clear this up for me because I think last night going over the transcripts, the way I understood it, Ms. Thomasson was leaving the restaurant when the beep came in, she wasn't in the middle of a meal. I was struck by her necessarily urgently running down. But as I went over that-and someone can correct me if I'm wrong-but as I am trying to recollect the reading last evening, she was actually on the way out of the restaurant when the message came, and made the call, told her friends what had happened and went, So while there may have been a sense of urgency even if she was in the middle of a meal, I was struck by the fact that she had completed the meal and was preparing to leave at the time The CHAIRMAN. I believe that to be the case. Senator DODD. I was more satisfied myself, having raised the same question of the time sequence.
Navy Gridders Work Out Football
Navy Gridders Work Out Football A large squad turns out for practice under new coach Eddie Erdelatz and Capt. Tom Bakke. With only a month to go, the football hopefuls give all they've got in rigorous training session. Opening shot, football players on their backs doing bicycle leg movements. MS of players tackling a hanging dummy. MCU of the coach and one of his players posing with a goat. Players tackling dummies.
Stunt Flier Cracks Up
Stunt Flier Cracks Up Tommy Walker cracks up his biplane before tense throng at Monmouth County Airport-but he does it on purpose and walks away unscathed. Walker lives dangerously and likes it. Opening shot of Tommy getting into his bi-plane. MS of bi-plane, air born. MS of air plane fans in stands. MCU of bi-plane flying into a wooden structure and cracks up the plane. MS of fans clapping for the pilot. CU Tommy Walker, pilot getting out of his bi-plane and being congratulated with a hand shake from an admirer and fan.
The Brave Bull
The Brave Bull Jose Maria Martorell displays his Matador skill before gala throng at San Sebastian, but el Toro trips him up and gores him severely before the action is over. A breath-taking picture. Matadors are parading into the bull ring, three abreast and four deep. MS of the crowd that's packed in the stadium to cheer on their favorite matador. MS of the bull with three spears stuck into the muscle on his back. MS of Jose Maria Martorell and the bull. CUs of three lovely ladies looking worried. MCU of the Matador getting head bunted by the bull. He falls to the ground covering his head. CUs of Jose with the cheering crowd behind him.
Huskies Claw Kansas State Wildcats 33-7
Huskies Claw Kansas State Wildcats 33-7 Roland Kirby and Don Heinrich prove the combination that takes the measure of the Kansas State Gridders in an action-packed game. MS Quarter has the ball, throws it. Wide receiver catches the ball, other players chase and knock him down. MLS Quarter hands off the football, the receiver just runs a little and gets knocked down. MLS Quarterback throws the ball, wide receiver catches it, runs and scores a touchdown.
July 25, 1995 - Part 5
(15:25:16) The CHAIRMAN. I think it's unfortunate and, of course, hindsight is very useful. People say why didn't you do X, Y, or Z. You don't think of all these things at the particular time, what the ramification is, that you'd be here 2 years from now. But certainly I think reasonable people would suggest that you might have told some- body whether it's Secret Service or the Park Police, what you had done. Did you tell anybody there, any of your colleagues, that you had asked Patsy Thomasson to look for this note? Mr. WATKINS. I told Mr. McLarty. The CHAIRMAN. OK. We have no further questions. Senator SARBANES. Are we all finished here? The CHAIRMAN. Does anybody else have any further questions Of this witness? I want to thank the whole panel. 309 Senator SARBANES, As this panel departs I do want to make one point, in all fairness, particularly to Ms. Mathews and also to underscore the point I made earlier in the day about these leaks that are occurring and the danger connected with the leaks. One of the problems of the leaks is that the press gets inaccurate information. I mentioned earlier the Margolis memo that had the top of it apparently not present so it wasn't clear that these were simply moot court questions, and they were written as though they represented Mr. Margolis' own thinking. This morning there was a story in the press which in effect said Sylvia Mathews said in a deposition that she was aware that some of the documents in the bag were from the Foster office and then went ahead and had that bag burned. Her testimony here has been very clear that that was not the case. She, in fact, just to the contrary, had the initiative to save the trash and, with respect to the burn bag, operated on the premise that there was no material in the burn bag out of Foster's office when it was then went ahead and processed. Now, she was caught in a difficult situation. In fact, in this very same story, she declined comment yesterday pending the hearing which is, of course, what witnesses ought to do. But they're placed in an extremely difficult position obviously as a consequence of these leaks which in many instances are putting out erroneous information. Then, of course, in this instance she has to suffer with this until she gets here today and has the opportunity to really put her testimony out on the public record. So I think we need to make a renewed effort to try to see what we can do about these leaks and let the story unfold here in front of the Committee. We've got plenty of Members and counsel that will question. We want to find out what happened. We want to lay it all out. But I would hope we could do it here in the public light in an orderly way, working together as we have tried to do. So I hope we can renew our efforts in this regard. The CHAIRMAN. I assure the Ranking Member that I share this concern, and I say to the press-not that I believe it's going to do much good-that you really take this information-portions of depositions, for example-at your own peril because often it is erroneous or out of context, and that you can do great damage to the person. I'm glad, Senator Sarbanes, that you took the time particularly to mention Sylvia Mathews. No one has told a clearer story and demonstrated greater concern than she has with regard to taking appropriate action and responded, given her position in the hierarchy, in a more exemplary fashion. If others had demonstrated her care and concern we wouldn't be here today. No doubt in my mind. So, wait for it to fold out because sometimes you just-we're going to have a person there who can explain the circumstances of his or her arrival or their particular actions in such a way that you'd say, they did exactly what should have been done in that circumstance. I will say that her testimony was very convincing as it relates to that, not only convincing but clarifying, et cetera, and I think it indicated, even to the Committee, things that we heretofore had not known because she put it all together. 310 We do a great disservice if we just take some bit, some little piece, it may be titillating but, in the long run, it's going to lead us astray. I want to thank all of the witnesses and we'll proceed to Our next witness. Thank you.