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Louis Fails In Title
Louis Fails In Title An ageing Joe Louis yields to youth as Ezzard Charles denies him his bid for a return to the heavyweight title. The battered face of Ezzard Charles smiling. MS Ezzard walking toward the camera after the fight with Joe Louis. MCU Ezzard sitting on the locker room gurney smiling, he just won. MCU Joe Louis who just lost his title. His face is battered as well.
Germany Boxes Too! And Pieter Miller Wins Title
Germany Boxes Too! And Pieter Miller Wins Title Stretz and Mueller mix it for the middleweight title of Germany and Mueller, after a spectacular bout has Stretz stretched on the deck. MLS Two boxers in an outside ring. Many people in the back ground MLS Two boxers hitting each other. MLS One gets in a luck punch and knocks the other one down. MLS The crowd is going bonkers cheering. MLS The referee is counting to ten and it looks likes a knock out. CU The two boxers with some kind of wreath around their shoulders smiling. Peter Mueller its das vinner. Audio is in German
The Wild West Takes Over In New York
The Wild West Takes Over In New York No holds are barred when the horses, Brahma bulls and cow pokes mix it in Madison square garden. As usual the mere man takes the falls-lots of them. MLS Like all Rodeos this one starts off with a parade and every one is on a horse and they all have American Flags. MLS Cowboy gets bucked off a horse. MS More cowboys and more getting bucked off horses. MS Cowboy get bucked off Brahma Bull, bull looks very happy strutting around MS Rodeo clown in a tire barrel tormenting the bull, the bull head butts the barrel with the clown inside. CU Lady in the audience with her mouth wide open.
Korea: UN Forces Drive Reds Back To 38th Parallel
Korea: UN Forces Drive Reds Back To 38th Parallel On all fronts, united nations forces pursue routed reds as they strive to reach the safety of the thirty-eighth parallel. Pockets of resistance are mopped up and thousands of prisoners are taken. ML Bomb blowing up in the hills of Korea. Narrator says they had just left that area in the Korean hills where the bomb is exploding, United Nations Observers. CU Soldier in conversation with his superiors. MCU Plane taking off from tarmac, Australian air force. MCU Aerial shot of planes flying over hills. MLS Plane dropping bombs. CU Soldiers sitting on hill. OH Plane firing a rockets and there blowing up. MCU More aerial shots from the planes in combat. MLS to CU Tank passing by. MS Soldiers on streets fighting CU Soldier with a Mohawk haircut (pretty radical considering it's 1950) he's waving and smiling and celebrating a victory. CU Soldiers sitting, and catching a well deserved cat nap from the war. MCU Wounded soldiers, one is smoking a cigarette and he looks like he's in pain. MCU General MacArthur adressing very important men and he shakes the hand of a South Korean President - President Syngman Rhee. MCU Soldiers in platoons leaving. This is action packed footage of the Korean War.
July 25, 1995 - Part 5
(15:30:29) The CHAIRMAN. Ms. Thomasson, would you stand. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony that you are about 0 give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Ms. THOMASSON. I do. SWORN TESTIMONY OF PATSY L. THOMASSON FORMER DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF ADMINISTRATION AND SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT The CHAIRMAN. Ms. Thomasson, I don't know if you have a statement that you'd like to give to the Committee, or any remarks. We'd be happy to take any. Ms. THOMASSON. Thank you, sir. My name is Patsy Thomasson. I was born in Arkansas. I grew up in a small town called Rison. I went to a small college, State supported, in Arkansas. My first job after college was to work for former Congressman Wilbur Mills, who's now deceased. After a 2-year tenure on the Congressman's staff, I left to go to graduate school at the University of Missouri in Columbia. After graduation in 1972, 1 returned to the staff of the Congressman in the district office in Little Rock. In 1977, then-Governor, now-Senator David Pryor appointed me to the Arkansas Highway Commission, Highway and Transportation Commission in the State of Arkansas for a 10-year term. During the Clinton/Gore campaign and just before I joined the White House, I was Executive Director of the Democratic Party of Arkansas. I moved to Washington and joined the Clinton Administration on March 1, 1993. 1 was Director of the Office of Administration and Special Assistant to the President. In May 1993, 1 became a Special Assistant to the President for Management and Administration, and my office was moved into the West Wing of the White House. On July 20, 1993, 1 had dinner with a friend from Arkansas, her children, her sister and her sister's family. We ate at a restaurant at Washington Harbor. As we left the restaurant after dinner, I received a page from the White House operator telling me to page David Watkins with my location, I later learned from the pager records that that page happened at 10:34 p.m. on the night of July 20, 1993. 1 went into the restaurant and called from a pay phone. The White House operator asked me to give her a phone number so that Mr. Watkins could call me. I told her that I was at a pay phone and that I would prefer to hold while she got Mr. Watkins on the phone for me. After a wait of several minutes, the operator connected Mr. Wat kins and me. He told me at that time that Vince Foster had killed himself. I was in shock. I was in disbelief. I could not believe that my friend and colleague had killed himself. I asked Mr. Watkins at the time to repeat that message to me. I immediately asked David how I could help. He asked me to go to Vince's office to See 311 if Vince left a suicide note. He told me to page him after I looked and let him know what I found. When I walked out of the restaurant, my friends were waiting for me. When my friend looked at me, she immediately asked me what happened. I said Vince Foster killed himself. She also knew Vince and his family from Little Rock. We were both in tears. We hugged each other. We consoled. It was a terrible moment, I had never personally known anyone before who had committed suicide. It was just totally unthinkable, inconceivable to me. I told my friends I had to go to the White House to see if he left a note. My friend said you don't need to be by yourself, let me go with you. We then looked for a cab, got a cab, went up through Georgetown, M Street, to Pennsylvania Avenue and to the White House. I told my friend she couldn't go with me because it was too much trouble to clear her through the security process at the White House, They dropped me off at the northwest staff gate at the White House. I got out of the cab. She got out for a minute with me. We consoled each other. I went into the White House, into my office on the lower level of the West Wing, unsecured my office, left my things, my purse in my office and went up to the first floor. I saw a number of people that I knew. I stopped to talk, to console and to be consoled. I saw Bernie Nussbaum. I told him that David Watkins had asked me to look in Vince's office for a suicide note. I asked him to go with me. We went to the White House Counsel's Office on the second floor. As we went into the reception area, the cleaning lady was coming out of Vince's office. Bernie and I went in.
July 25, 1995 - Part 5
(15:35:48) As we entered, I looked on the surfaces of the furniture to see if I could see a note. There was nothing immediately apparent. My thought was if there was a note, Vince would have placed it so it would be easily found, but that it would not have been placed where it would not have been discovered fairly readily. I sat at Vince's desk, opened the drawers to the desk to see if there was anything that looked like a suicide note. I looked in the top of his briefcase, which was sitting on the floor. I didn't see anything. During this timeframe, Bernie was grieving. He was walking back and forth in the office. He left the office for a few minutes. Shortly thereafter, I recall Maggie Williams came in and sat down opposite me. She was crying and visibly grieving. We sat together, me at Vince's desk, Maggie across from me, crying,, and asking each other why. As I recall, Maggie then left the office and Bernie came back. I believe that Bernie told me at the time we probably don't need to be here anymore, let's leave. I said OK. We both left the office emptyhanded. I went back to my office on the ground floor and paged David Watkins to report. I later learned that the pager records show that the time of the page to Mr. Watkins was at 11:36 p.m. Ile responded. I reported that I had found no note. I asked if there was anything else that I could do to help. He told me that the Press Office was preparing a statement and the family wanted a copy of it. He asked if I would get that to the house. I delivered the press release to the home. I was at Vince's house for a few minutes, just long enough to express my condolences and then I went home for the evening. 312 Thank you, sir. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you very much. Mr. Chertoff. Mr. CHERTOFF. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ms. Thomasson, you are currently still working at the White House? Ms. THOMASSON. Yes, sir, I am. Mr. CHERTOFF. What's your current position? Ms. THOMASSON. I am a Deputy Assistant to the President for Presidential Personnel. Mr. CHERTOFF. When did you move over from your position as of 1993 into your current position? Ms. THOMASSON. In May 1995. Mr. CHERTOFF. Let me direct your attention back to July 20, 1993. You were at a restaurant called the Sequoia? Ms. THOMASSON. That's correct. Mr. CHERTOFF. That's in Georgetown? Ms. THOMASSON. Yes, sir. Mr. CHERTOFF. How far is that from the Foster residence? Ms. THOMASSON. I have no idea. Mr. CHERTOFF. Have you ever been to the Foster residence? Ms. THOMASSON. Only one time, sir. Mr. CHERTOFF, You did know Vincent Foster, though? Ms. THOMASSON. I knew Vincent Foster, but I was only at his residence the night that he killed himself, and that was after I had been to the White House. Mr. CHERTOFF. Do you remember where it is? Ms. THOMASSON. I couldn't tell you, sir. Mr. CHERTOFF, You do know it's in Georgetown, though? Ms, THOMASSON. I think it's somewhere in Georgetown. Mr. CHERTOFF. Now, you were in the process of leaving the restaurant when you got paged? Ms. THOMASSON. That's correct, sir. Mr. CHERTOFF. I take it you don't have an independent recollection of exactly what time you got paged; right? Ms. THOMASSON. I have no independent recollection of that, sir. Mr. CHERTOFF. But will you accept as accurate a record we received from the White House indicating that was at 10:34 p.m.? Ms. THOMASSON. I have no better recollection than what the White House records would show, sir. Mr. CHERTOFF. That is consistent with your general sense of things- right? Ms. THOMASSON. Yes, sir. Mr. CHERTOFF. Now, you get the page, and you go tell your friends you have to go respond; correct? Ms. THOMASSON. Correct, Mr. CHERTOFF. YOU leave them outside the restaurant while you go back in? Ms. THOMASSON. Correct. Mr. CHERTOFF. You go to a pay phone? Ms. THOMASSON. Correct. Mr. CHERTOFF. You make a call back to the White House? Ms. THOMASSON. Correct. 313 Mr. CHERTOFF. The White House does not put you through immediately; correct? Ms. THOMASSON. That's correct. Mr. CHERTOFF. They tell you that there's a message for you and Mr. Watkins wants your location and a number; correct? Ms. THOMASSON. That's correct. Mr. CHERTOFF. You indicate, rather than leave, that you want to stay on; right? MS. THOMASSON. That's correct. Mr. CHERTOFF. They then place the call, and it gets through to Mr. Watkins; correct? Ms. THOMASSON. I don't know what they do on their end, sir. I know I was eventually connected with Mr. Watkins. Mr. CHERTOFF. You're holding on the pay phone? Ms. THOMASSON. That's correct. Mr. CHERTOFF. He gets on the line and he breaks the news to you? Ms. THOMASSON. Yes, sir. Mr. CHERTOFF. At that point, you asked him if you could, in fact, come over to the Foster's residence; right? Ms. THOMASSON. I asked if there was anything that I could do to help. Mr. CHERTOFF. You said can I come where you are? Ms. THOMASSON. I said is there anything I can do to help? Do I need to be where you are? What do I need to do? Mr. CHERTOFF. His immediate response was I'd like you to go to the White House and look for a note? Ms. THOMASSON. That's correct. Mr. CHERTOFF. What did he tell you about what you should do if you found a note? Ms. THOMASSON. I was to call him, sir, Mr. CHERTOFF. You were going to page him and let him know you found the note? Ms. THOMASSON. That's correct. Mr. CHERTOFF. Did he tell you not to touch it? Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir. Mr. CHERTOFF. Did he tell you to contact anybody at the White House when you arrived, before you went into Mr. Foster's office? Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir. Mr. CHERTOFF. Did he tell you to get in touch with Mr. Nussbaum? Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir. Mr. CHERTOFF, Did he tell you to get in touch with Secret Service? Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir. Mr. CHERTOFF. Did you have any discussion with him about how you would gain entry into Mr. Foster's office? Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir. Mr. CHERTOFF. You understood Mr. Foster's office was part of the suite occupied by the White House Counsel; correct? Ms. THOMASSON, That's correct.
July 25, 1995 - Part 5
(15:40:50) Mr. CHERTOFF. From your job duties at that time, were you aware that that suite was typically locked at the end of the day? 314 Ms. THOMASSON. I was aware that most offices in the White House would be locked at the end of the day. Mr. CHERTOFF. That was certainly true of your office? Ms. THOMASSON. Yes, sir, Mr. CHERTOFF. Did your office have an alarm? Ms. THOMASSON. Yes, sir. Mr. CHERTOFF. Did you know that night on your way to the White House whether the White House Counsel's suite had an alarm? Ms. THOMASSON. I did not know. Mr. CHERTOFF. How long was your conversation with Mr. Watkins on the telephone, approximately? Ms. THOMASSON. I couldn't tell you. It was a very short conversation. Mr. CHERTOFF. You hang up the phone; right? Ms. THOMASSON. Correct, Mr. CHERTOFF. You go outside to your friends? Ms. THOMASSON. Correct. Mr. CHERTOFF. You tell them the news? Ms. THOMASSON. Yes, sir. Mr. CHERTOFF. YOU spend a moment or two commiserating? Ms. THOMASSON. Yes, sir. Mr. CHERTOFF. YOU say you need to go to the White House? Ms. THOMASSON. Yes, sir. Mr. CHERTOFF. They agree to come with you in a cab? Ms. THOMASSON. They insist they come with me in a cab, yes. Mr. CHERTOFF. You hail a cab? Ms. THOMASSON. Yes. Mr. CHERTOFF. Do you remember whether you hailed a cab outside the restaurant or whether you walked up to M Street? Ms. THOMASSON. I don't really recall whether there was a cab down on K Street that we were able to hail or whether we had to walk to M Street. I just simply don't remember that. Mr. CHERTOFF. When you got a cab, you then drove to the White House? Ms. THOMASSON. Yes, sir. Mr. CHERTOFF. When you got out at the White House, your friends got out with you? Ms. THOMASSON. One of my friends got out with me, yes. Mr. CHERTOFF. You spent a moment or two talking and commiserating with your friend? Ms. THOMASSON. That's correct. Mr, CHERTOFF. At that point, you entered the White House? Ms. THOMASSON. Correct. Mr. CHERTOFF. Now, just to assist you with this, I'll tell you that we have a Secret Service record that indicates your entry that night was at 10:49 and 16 seconds, which is about 15 minutes after the page. Now, at that point, you go first to your office; right? Ms. THOMASSON. Yes, sir. Mr. CHERTOFF. Do you notify the Secret Service at the desk downstairs on the ground floor that you're intending to go into Mr. Foster's office? Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir. 315 Mr. CHERTOFF. Do you tell anybody while you're on the way up to your office that you're intending to go to Mr. Foster's office? Ms. THOMASSON. I don't recall talking to anybody before-on my way to my office. Mr. CHERTOFF. When you got to your office and put your things down, your intention was to make your way to Mr. Foster's office; right? Ms. THOMASSON. That's correct. Mr. CHERTOFF, You did not know who else was in the White House at that point? Ms. THOMASSON. Had no idea. Mr. CHERTOFF. You didn't know who was on the first floor? Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir. Mr. CHERTOFF. You didn't know if the White House Counsel's suite would be open? Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir. Mr. CHERTOFF. How were you going to get into the suite? Ms. THOMASSON. I don't know. Never crossed my mind, sir. Mr. CHERTOFF, Never thought about it? Ms. THOMASSON. No. Mr. CHERTOFF. Didn't mention it to any of the Secret Service agents? Ms. THOMASSON. No. Mr. CHERTOFF. You had no prearrangement to meet anybody there? Ms. THOMASSON. No. Mr. CHERTOFF. You went up to the first floor; correct? Ms. THOMASSON. Correct. Mr. CHERTOFF. It was by happenstance that you ran into Bernie Nussbaum? Ms. THOMASSON. That's correct, Mr. CHERTOFF. You are quite positive that you and Mr. Nussbaum entered the office together? Ms. THOMASSON. As I recall it, Mr. Chertoff, Mr. Nussbaum and went up to the office together. Mr. CHERTOFF. You recall cleaning people being there? Ms. THOMASSON. Cleaning people were coming out of Mr. Foster's office as we were going into Mr. Foster's office. Mr. CHERTOFF. I want to ask you whether it is consistent with your recollection that you were in Mr. Foster's office for a period of time before Mr. Nussbaum first arrived? Ms. THOMASSON. I don't recall being in Mr. Foster's office before Mr. Nussbaum arrived. I recall going into the Counsel's Office with Mr. Nussbaum. Mr. CHERTOFF. You have that as a memory? Ms. THOMASSON. That's what I recall. Mr. CHERTOFF. Now, once you get in there, where do you go first? You're in Mr. Foster's office, where do you go first? Ms. THOMASSON. I go and sit behind Vince's desk. Mr. CHERTOFF. Where does Mr. Nussbaum go? Ms. THOMASSON. He is walking around the office. He's pacing back and forth. Mr. Nussbaum is visibly grieving. He is visibly upset, running his hands through his hair. His best friend, his partner, so to speak, in a legal sense--it seems to me that lawyers 316 really, when they work together, they think about themselves being partners, and they worked together side by side every day. Mr. Nussbaum was visibly grieving. He was very upset that night, Mr. CHERTOFF. Did you have any discussion with him regarding where you might likely find a note? Ms. THOMASSON. I do not recall having a discussion with him about where we might find a note. Mr. CHERTOFF. You begin by looking at the top of the desk? Ms. THOMASSON, All the surfaces of the furniture in the office, yes. Mr. CHERTOFF. YOU start opening the drawers? Ms. THOMASSON. Yes, I did. Mr. CHERTOFF. Did you move the papers in the drawers? Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir. Mr. CHERTOFF. Were there any particular drawers you opened? Ms. THOMASSON. I opened the center drawer. I opened the drawers on the right-hand side of his desk. I don't recall whether there were even drawers on the left-hand side of his desk. I opened the drawers-I opened each drawer in his desk to look to see if there was something laying in the top of the drawer. My thought process was if someone left a suicide note, they would leave it where it could be easily found, I didn't go through every individual file in his desk or anything like that. I just looked in the top of the drawers and on the top of the desk to see if there was something there that would be a suicide note. Mr. CHERTOFF. Why did you look in the briefcase?
UN Attacks Slow Expected Red Push
UN Attacks Slow Expected Red Push U.N. Forces under General Ridgeway probe at the Red lines to keep the communist hordes off balance. Air and land bombardments harass enemy lines along the central front. Spotter planes fly over the lines directing artillery fire, and patrols probe weak spots in the lines. Desiring no conquest and hopeful of a cease fire agreement with the Bay Ping government United Nations Forces under Lt. General Matthew Ridgeway back up the no-appeasement policy in Korea. The commanding General of the 8th army sizes up the situation and orders the big gun into action. How ever before the order to fire is given spotter planes take off to locate enemy prostitutions. These scenes show teamwork between the air spotter and the ground bettors. The enemy is located the information is re-laid to gunners who take over. Outnumbered three to one the United Nations Troops hold on and give no quarter until a peaceful plan is forthcoming Establishing shot - Bomb destruction. MCU Hut burning. General Ridgeway and two other top ranking officers speaking. MLS Army Jeeps with big anti-aircraft guns. MCU Spotter planes, one taking off. Aerial shot - Foothills of Korea. MCU Field officers giving direction to the gunner, smoldering ruins.
The President: Compares Stalin With All Other Dictators
The President: Compares Stalin With All Other Dictators President Truman receives an award from The Society Of Business Magazines. In an impromptu speech he echoes the sentiments of every free man concerning dictators. MLS President Truman and the men from The Society Of Business Magazines. President Truman accepts the award MLS President Truman steps up to the microphone and delivers his speech: President Truman address the crowd and press concerning dictators: "We're fighting for freedom, for the right to worship as we please in any church we choose to attend, the right to read what we please and the right to speak what we please and the right to elect public officials of our own choosing and then to give them hell after their elected. Dictators don't believe that and there's no difference between dictators. If you study your history there hasn't been any difference in any police state that ever existed in the history of the world. They're all alike. They're all for the enslavement of the individual for the benefit of the state. We believe that the state exists for the benefit of the individual and that's what we're fighting for. There isn't any difference between Hitler and Mussolini. The talk wins of ancient Rome, kings of Sparta. Charles the first of England and Lewis the fourteenth and Stalin they're all just alike".
Aviation In The News
Aviation In The News A B-36 bomber the first of six returns to Forth Worth, Texas flying non stop completing a historic mission completing a trip to foreign soil the atom bomb carriers were in the air over 30 hours. Taking off at 15 minute intervals from England the world's biggest bombers were engaged in night and day bombing exercises over the ocean on the return flight. On hand to greet the crews is General Irvine commander of Carswell Airbase. MCU B-36 Bomber coming in for a landing. CU Military man with a pointer and a map on the wall. CU B-36 Bomber landing. MCU The B-36 crew walking down the steps of the plane. MCU General Irvine shaking the hands of the B-36 crew.
F-94 All Weather Interceptors Production
F-94 All Weather Interceptors Production At Burbank, California F-94 All Weather Jet Interceptors have boosted production in the plant using radar in it's nose the speedy two seater is already in service on both coast. MLS F-94 in production in the factory. MCU Two men have the nose of the plane putting it in place on the F-94 MOHS F-94 all lined up in a row getting the finishing touches. MCU On the tarmac an F-94 taking off.
July 25, 1995 - Part 5
(15:50:53) Ms. THOMASSON. Yes, sir. Mr. CHERTOFF. In your conversation with Mr. Watkins later that night, did you tell I-Am what areas you had been searching? Ms. THOMASSON. We never discussed where I looked. CHERTOFF. Did you tell him you'd looked in the briefcase? THOMASSON. I don't recall telling him that. I don't recall discussing where I looked, except to say I looked in Vince's office. Mr. CHERTOFF. You had no discussions about the particulars of where you should have looked or shouldn't have looked? Ms. THOMASSON. He didn't have a habit of telling me how to do my job. He just asked me if I would go do that for him. Mr. CHERTOFF. After you went down to your office and first tried to reach Mr. Watkins, did you go back up to the White House Counsel's suite at any further point that night or in the early hours of the following morning? Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir. Mr. CHERTOFF. I have no further questions, Mr. Chairman. The CHAIRMAN. Let's go, even though we have some time remaining, to the other side. Senator Sarbanes, Senator SARBANES. Mr. Ben-Veniste. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Thank you, sir. Ms. Thomasson, once you received the page on your beeper, which is a portable device that you carried with you-you have with you here today, do Thomasson has held up a beeper. That device prints out a message for you and in this case the message, as has been clarified here, was for you to call a Mr. Watkins and provide your location number; correct? Ms. THOMASSON. Yes, sir. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. So you called the White House communication Center in response to Mr. Watkins' message; correct? one you? The record should show that Ms. Ms. THOMASSON. Yes, sir. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. At that time, you were at a pay phone at a busy restaurant in Georgetown? Ms. THOMASSON. Yes, sir, 320 Mr. BEN-VENISTE. After you got put through to Mr. Watkins, you went directly to the White House? MS. THOMASSON. Yes, Sir. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. So the notion is that at 10:34 you received the first message, you returned the message, you get in a cab with your friends who insist on staying with you because they see that you are upset? Ms. THOMASSON. Yes, Sir. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. And you are driven in the taxi to the White House. Now, on a Tuesday night at about 10:30, was there much traffic, as you recall? Ms. THOMASSON. I don't recall there being a lot of traffic, no, Sir. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Those were in the days before all these barricades were around the White House Ms. THOMASSON. Yes, Sir. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. -that has obstructed traffic to some extent about which we hear a good deal from our local government? MS. THOMASSON. Yes, Sir. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. That ride going from Georgetown to the White House was, in your view, how many minutes? Ms. THOMASSON. Ten or 15 minutes, Mr. Ben-Veniste. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Once you got to the White House, you indicated that you departed your friends because you did not want to be delayed by clearing them through the process to have them get admission to the White House? Ms. THOMASSON. Yes, Sir. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Then who did you speak with? Ms. THOMASSON. In the White House? Mr. BEN-VENISTE. At the White House when you arrived there. Ms. THOMASSON. When I opened my office and went tip to the first floor, I saw several people that I knew that were on the first level outside of the Chief of Staffs Office. I saw Bruce Lindsey. I saw Dana Lawrence. I saw John Emerson and his wife. I saw several people that I knew and we stopped to talk and to console each other and discuss what had happened. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. That was my next question actually, whether you brushed those people off and said I've got to get going now or whether you stopped and spoke to them of this tragedy. You consoled them and they consoled you? Ms. THOMASSON. I stopped and spoke to each one of them that I met up with and consoled and was consoled by them. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Then, at some point thereafter, you made your way to the second floor to the Counsel's suite? Ms. THOMASSON. Right. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Approximately how much time do you feel that you spent in Mr. Foster's office, all told, looking in the places that you've already mentioned for a note? Ms. THOMASSON. I think it was approximately 10 minutes, Mr. Ben-Veniste.
World Series: Yanks Baffle Phillies
Image quality is not good. World Series: Yanks Baffle Phillies Shibe park, Philadelphia, and highlights of the first two games of the 1950 world series. It's youth versus age, veterans versus upstart 'whiz kids,' with the veteran Yankees edging out victories in the two clashes. Brown's double and two long fly-balls count for the one-run edge in the first game for the Bronx Bombers. Di Maggio tees off on pitcher roberts and his homer wins for the yanks. MS Baseball stadium with throngs of people waiting to get in. Urban, Philadelphia, Ball park. MCU Crowds. CU Fans. CU Baseball player signing autograph for a lady fan. MCU Ball players and fans in back ground. MLS Fans in the ball park, crowd. MCU Ball player running around bases after he hits a ball. MLS Fans celebrating the run and hit. MCU Fans dressed in suits and dresses and hats. Ball players, swinging bat at ball.
July 25, 1995 - Part 5
(15:55:34) Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Upon leaving the Counsel's Office you went downstairs back to your office and you attempted, again using the electronic means, to get a hold of Mr. Watkins and leave him a message? Ms. THOMASSON. That's correct. 321 Mr. BEN-VENISTE. You provided Mr. Watkins with the message that you had, which was that you had found no note? Ms. THOMASSON. Nothing. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Did you indicate to Mr. Watkins that you had run into Mr. Nussbaum and Ms. Williams? Ms. THOMASSON. I don't recall having discussed that with him, sir. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Any reason why you wouldn't have mentioned it? I Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. So that was the whole episode? Ms. THOMASSON. Yes, sir. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Was there anything, in your view, surreptitious about your going to the office to look for the note? Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir, Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Was there anything untoward or improper in your motivation to go ahead and look for the note? Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Did you mean to destroy any evidence should you have come upon it that evening? Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Did anyone tell you that that was your mission? Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. To the best of your knowledge, did anyone re move any documents from Mr. Foster's office that evening? Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir, Mr. BEN-VENISTE. The fact of your having searched for this note on the evening of the 20th has resulted in a tremendous amount of interest and publicity. Is that fair to say? Ms. THOMASSON. That's fair to say. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Did you at any time-strike that. Are you aware now that there are differences in recollection between you and Ms. Williams and Mr. Nussbaum as to certain details about who came first, who stayed when, who left first and all of that? Ms. THOMASSON. Yes, sir, I understand there's a difference. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Did you at any time before you gave testimony on this subject attempt to sit down with Mr. Nussbaum and Ms, Williams to get your stories straight? Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir. Mr. BEN-VE NISTE. That never happened? Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. You tell it here today and in our depositions prior to today the way you remembered it? Ms. THOMASSON. Absolutely, sir. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. I have nothing further, Mr. Chairman. The CHAIRMAN. There's still time if any of the Members want to ask questions or we'll just keep it moving. Senator KERRY. Mr. Chairman, if I could just ask a couple of questions because I have a Member meeting I have to go to in a Moment. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Kerry. 322 OPENING COMMENTS OF SENATOR JOHN F. KERRY Senator KERRY. I just want to understand completely the timeframe. You arrived at the White House-what was the recorded time by the Secret Service, 10:49 plus 16; is that correct? Mr. BEN-VENISTE. 10:49. Senator KERRY. 10:49. You immediately thereafter walked to the bottom floor? Ms. THOMASSON. Yes, sir. Senator KERRY. Where did you first go when you went in at that point? Ms. THOMASSON. My office is entered-my office was at that time entered-you passed the men's room on the lower level, two doors past that on the left-hand side is where I entered and that's where my office was at that time. Senator KERRY. Did you go to your office directly? Ms. THOMASSON. Yes, sir, I did. Senator KERRY. Did you confront anyone before you went there? Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir, not that I recall. Senator FERRY. You did not stop to chat with anybody at that time? Ms. THOMASSON. I don't recall stopping to talk to anybody on that level. Senator KERRY. What did you do when you got to your office? Ms. THOMASSON. I unsecured my office, called the Secret Service, told them I was going in, put my things in my office, closed the door- didn't re-secure it, but closed the door and went up to the first floor. Senator KERRY. You notified the Secret Service at that point in time that you were entering your office? Ms. THOMASSON. Yes, sir. Senator KERRY. How long did you spend in your office? Ms. THOMASSON. It was not very long, just long enough to put my things away. Senator KERRY. At that point in time when you went up to the first floor, you went up for what purpose? Ms. THOMASSON. I was making my way to the second floor, but I stopped on the first floor to see who was there, to see if anyone knew any more than what I had been told by Mr. Watkins. Senator KERRY. How much time did you spend in your own office do you think? Ms. THOMASSON. Maybe a minute or two, Senator. Senator KERRY. A short period of time? Ms. THOMASSON. Very short period of time. Senator KERRY. How long did you spend on the first floor? Ms. THOMASSON. Several minutes on the first floor. Senator KERRY. You had a few conversations there? Ms. THOMASSON. I had a few conversations there. Senator KERRY. 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(16:00:45) Ms. THOMASSON. Only Mr. Nussbaum, sir, that I recall. Senator KERRY. Who was present at that time? Ms. THOMASSON. He was walking back and forth-he walked up while I was talking to some of the others and I said, Bernie, I've been asked by David to go up to Vince's office to look for a note, will you go with me? Senator KERRY. His response? Ms. THOMASSON. He walked with me. Senator KERRY. Did he say anything to you? Ms. THOMASSON. He wasn't talking very much, Senator. He was very, very upset. Mr. Nussbaum never talked very much to me because I was so low on the food chain Senator KERRY. I'm not sure what that says. Ms. THOMASSON. I did ask him to go with me that night and, as I recall, he did go up with me and we looked for the note. I looked for the note. He just paced around. He was very upset. senator KERRY. You notified the Secret Service that you were going into your office. Did you feel any need to notify them that you were going into Mr. Foster's office? Ms. THOMASSON. It was unsecured, Senator, so I didn't feel a need to notify them at that time. Senator KERRY. When did you learn it was unsecured? Ms, THOMASSON. When we got to Mr. Foster's office, the Counsel's Office. Senator KERRY. About how much time do you think had passed between you arriving in your office and your arrival in the office up there, maybe 10 minutes or so, more or less? Ms. THOMASSON. More or less, 10 minutes. Senator KERRY. Something like that? Ms. THOMASSON. Something like that. Senator KERRY. You say people were coming out of his office, cleaning personnel? Ms. THOMASSON. Yes, sir. Senator KERRY. How many personnel? Ms. THOMASSON. I only recall seeing one cleaning person coming out of his office. Senator KERRY. Male or female? Ms. THOMASSON. Female. Senator KERRY. Was she carrying anything? Ms. THOMASSON. I don't recall, Senator. Senator KERRY. Was there any discussion about leaving the office secure at that point in time? Ms. THOMASSON. There was no discussion about securing the office at that point in time. Senator KE RRY. It was all open, completely open? Ms. THOMASSON. Yes, sir, it was. 324 Senator KERRY. Was this also the area of Bernie Nussbaum's office? Ms. THOMASSON. Yes, sir. As you are entering the Counsel's suite there's one big room with, say, four or five desks and a seating area, and then to the right as you enter would be-to the right and almost at a 180-degree turn would have been Vince Foster's cubi. cle. Almost directly as you turn right going straight ahead you would have gone into Mr. Nussbaum's office. So when the office door to the secretarial space was open, the whole office was unsecured at that point in time. Senator KERRY. Understood. Since Mr. Nussbaum was still there, there was no reason for it to have been locked up at that point. Is that what you're saying? Ms. THOMASSON. I don't know whether it had been secured earlier in the evening and unsecured when Bernie came back to the White House. I don't know the sequence of events, sir. I know it was unsecured when I got up there. Senator KERRY. Again, to the best of your recollection, what was the amount of time that you spent in Mr. Foster's office? Ms. THOMASSON. About 10 minutes, sir. Senator KERRY. That was the total amount of time during which Ms. Williams and Mr. Nussbaum were with you? Ms. THOMASSON. Yes, sir. Senator KERRY. No other people came in during that period of time? Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir, not that I recall. Senator KERRY, Did you ever return to the office again during the course of that evening? Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir. Senator KERRY. Did you make any decisions or have any part in any decisions with respect to the locking of that office? Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir, I did not. Senator KERRY. Were you asked anything about the locking of it? Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir. Senator KERRY. Did you play any role whatsoever with respect to the burn bag? Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir. Senator KERRY. Did you play any role whatsoever with respect to inspection of the briefcase other than your cursory opening of the top of it? Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir. Senator KERRY. Did you overhear or take part in any conversations whatsoever that evening, subsequently, about any other entries into that office? Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir. Senator KERRY. Did you hear of any other? Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir. Senator KERRY. Thank you, The CHAIRMAN. Senator Shelby. Senator SHELBY. Thank you. Ms. Thomasson, just for a few minutes could we review the security clearance procedures at the White House, in other words, who has access to what areas of the White House and what type of security clearances they have. For 325 example, what is a blue pass? What does that mean at the White House? Ms. THOMASSON. It means you have access to the White House, sir. Anyone who works in the White House itself would have access to the White House Senator SHELBY. That would include sensitive areas in the White House? Ms. THOMASSON. Not necessarily, sir. For example, if the-a blue pass would not give you access to the situation room necessarily unless you had a job in the situation room. Senator SHELBY. Would it give you access to the White House proper? Ms. THOMASSON. Yes, sir, it would. Senator SHELBY. Including the East Wing and the West Wing office complex? Ms. THOMASSON. Yes, sir. Senator SHELBY. Does everybody at the White House generally have a security clearance? Ms. THOMASSON. Yes, sir. Senator SHELBY. On June 20, 1993, how long had you been working at the White House? Ms. THOMASSON. Since March 1st. Senator SHELBY. Since March 1st. Did you have a security clearance on Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir, I did not.
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(16:05:47) Senator SHELBY. Did you obtain a security clearance the following March, March 5, 1994? Ms. THOMASSON. I received it in March 1994, yes. Senator SHELBY. Did you know Mr. Nussbaum very well? Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir, I did not. Senator SHELBY. But you knew who he was? Ms. THOMASSON. Yes, sir. Senator SHELBY. Did you come in contact with him infrequently? Ms. THOMASSON. I came in very infrequent contact with Mr. Nussbaum. Senator SHELBY. Did he know your name? Did he know you and your title or whatever? Ms. THOMASSON. I have no idea, sir. Senator SHELBY. When you were at the White House that night and you went into the Deputy Counsel's Office, did he call you Mrs. Thompson, Patsy Thomasson? Did he call you anything? Did he just assume you belong there? If he didn't know you very well and you didn't know him very well, what was the familiarity of both of you going into the Deputy Counsel's Ms. THOMASSON. I told him that Mr. Watkins had asked me to look in Vince Foster's office for a note. Senator SHELBY. Did Mr. Nussbaum ask you at least once, did You have proper security clearance? Ms. THOMASSON. I don't know that I would have had to have Senator SHELBY. I'd ask you to answer the question. Did he ask you, Mr. Nussbaum-let me ask you again. Did Mr. Nussbaum at this time-when you told him Mr. Watkins asked you to go look in the office--did Mr. Nussbaum, the Counsel at the White House, 326 ask you, Ms. Thomasson, did you have proper security clearance to go in there or to look through documents? Ms. THOMASSON. Mr. Nussbaum didn't question me about that. Senator SHELBY. He didn't ask you that question? Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir. Senator SHELBY. Did he mention security clearance at all to you? Ms. THOMASSON. It would not have been an issue that night, Senator Shelby. We were only looking for a suicide note. Senator SHELBY. I didn't ask you if it was an issue. I asked you did lie ask you. Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir. I've said that. Senator SHELBY. No, he didn't, did he? When you went into the room, just relate again, you went over and looked on top of Mr. Foster's desk? Ms. THOMASSON. I did. Senator SHELBY. Were there documents on top of the desk? Ms. THOMASSON. There were papers on top of the desk. Senator SHELBY. Papers. Were they stacks of papers like a typi. cal working desk? Ms. THOMASSON. Typical working office, sir. Senator SHELBY. Did you look through the papers? Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir. Senator SHELBY. Did you look at the top of the paper to see perhaps what the subject matter was? Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir. Senator SHELBY, Did you look under the desk? Ms. THOMASSON. No, Sir. Senator SHELBY. Did you sit in the chair, as you related? Ms. THOMASSON. I did sit in the chair, yes, sir. Senator SHELBY. When you sat in the chair, did you look in the drawer, the top drawer, as you related? Ms. THOMASSON. I've testified to that, sir, yes. Senator SHELBY. Did you look in any of the side drawers of the desk? Ms. THOMASSON. I've testified I did, sir. Senator SHELBY. Not what you testified. Did you do it? Ms. THOMASSON. Absolutely did. Senator SHELBY. Did you look at every item in the side drawers of the desk? Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir. Senator SHELBY. What did you do? Ms. THOMASSON. I looked at the top of those desk drawers to see if there was anything that would have looked like a suicide note. Senator SHELBY. What would you describe as looking like a suicide note, like a personal handwritten note or something? How can you describe that? Ms. THOMASSON. In my mind, what I was looking for was something that was in an envelope that would have someone's name on the front, perhaps Lisa Foster. Senator SHELBY. You didn't find that, did you? Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir. Senator SHELBY. Did Mr. Nussbaum, while you were seated at the desk, sitting at the desk or seated at the desk, did he look around the office for something? 327 Ms. THOMASSON. No, sir. Senator SHELBY. What did he do? Ms. THOMASSON. He was pacing around the office. Senator SHELBY. Just pacing the office? Ms. THOMASSON. He was very upset. He was very distraught about Vince's death that night. Senator SHELBY. Was he quiet, as you described it? Ms. THOMASSON. He was quiet and rubbing his hands through his hair. He was very distraught about Vince's death. Senator SHELBY. Did you have a conversation while you were sitting there or was everything just quiet? Ms. THOMASSON. Fairly quiet, sir. Senator SHELBY. You didn't mention anything to him like I haven't found anything or I don't see anything that's relevant to what I'm looking for? Ms. THOMASSON. I don't recall having had a conversation of that nature, sir. Senator SHELBY. About how long were you in there, in your best judgment? Ms. THOMASSON. In my best guess, sir, I was there about 10 minutes. senator SHELBY. Did Mr. Nussbaum leave when you left, as you relayed? Ms. THOMASSON. As I said earlier, Senator, I was in the office with
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