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July 25, 1995 - Part 3
(11:21:57)(tape #10122 begins) relationship that you had with Ms. Thomasson and why the call was placed to her on this particular evening. Mr. WATKINS. Ms. Thomasson was my principal Deputy. She was the person that I would naturally have called, in my mind, to do that. She was the one that reported to me. She, as I said, worked with all the facilities in the offices and she was from-I just called and asked her to do that. Senator BRYAN. I take it, putting this particular event of this evening in question, during the course of the working relationship that you had with her, that you called upon her frequently to handle matters for you that were of an administrative nature? Mr. WATKINS. Absolutely. Patsy was very reliable, very professional. She's just someone I relied on every day in most things. Senator BRYAN. Although it may not have been her title, but in terms of the working relationship with her, she was your Chief of Staff, the number one person you worked with? Mr. WATKINS. Absolutely, yes, sir. Senator BRYAN. Were there other persons who worked directly under you in the hierarchy at the White House? Mr. WATKINS. There were, but mostly support staff. Senator BRYAN. So, in terms of undertaking any kind of a specific request or assignment, it would be your practice and assignment to call upon her for these matters? Mr. WATKINS. Yes, Senator. Senator BRYAN. I thank you. I'll yield any time left back to Mr. Ben- Veniste. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Just one thing, Ms. Mathews. On the second trip up to the second floor that evening, when you walked past the Counsel's Office and you noticed that it was locked, given what you had overheard in Mr. Burton's conversation earlier about seeing whether the office could be locked, is there any reason why you would not have reported back to Mr. Burton the next time you saw him that evening that the office was locked? MS. MATHEWS. That was actually-the time that I saw the door locked was the third trip, just for the record. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. The third trip, OK? Ms. MATHEWS. I did not report it back to him that it was. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Are you certain of that? Ms. MATHEWS. I do not recall reporting back to him, Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Is there any reason you would not have mentioned to him, given the fact you had overheard the prior conversation, that, in fact, the office was now locked as you had observed? Ms. MATHEWS. There was no reason that I would not have. 268 Mr. BEN-VENISTE. I have nothing further, Mr. Chairman. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Shelby. OPENING COMMENTS OF SENATOR RICHARD C. SHELBY Senator SHELBY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Gearan, I would like to refer to Exhibit Z464. You might have a copy of this. These, I believe, would be some notes that you made and I believe it says 11:45, 7/29. 1 assume it would be 7/29, 1993. Are you familiar with this document? Mr. GEARAN. Yes, Senator. Senator SHELBY. Is that your handwriting? Mr. GEARAN. Yes, it is. Senator SHELBY. That's flashing up on the screen. Were these notes made on that date, about that time, by you?
Water Birds - Canadian Goose
(Tape 2) 10:03:21 Canada geese pair with babies, male stands guard while female tends her brood of goslings 10:09:42 Geese and goslings feed, CU of tiny baby eating in grass, plucking at flower on weed, very cute 10:26:46 Canada geese parents and goslings jump into lake and swim 10:27:52 Geese and goslings swim in lake, a large-mouth bass comes up out of water and tries to grab one of the goslings but he misses 10:31:01 Geese and goslings climb down bank and into water, as soon as they start swimming, a large-mouth bass comes up and grabs one of the goslings and pulls it under, happens very quickly but they start out with seven goslings and then there are only six
Water Birds - Canadian Goose
(Tape 2) 09:43:57 Canada geese and 1-day old goslings feed 09:47:16 Geese and goslings swim 09:50:37 Female goose tends her brood, they crawl under her wing
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Powder Plant Blast Awakes Memories Of The War Scenes reminiscent of World War II unfold in little Italian village, following powder plant blast that claims two lives and leaves many homeless. Stricken villagers comb wreckage for belongings. MLS People in the back ground they look at the crater made in the ground by an explosion of a power plant. Two boys throwing rocks into the water. MCU Men walking around the site looking at twisted sheet medal and buildings that were blown apart. MLS The men of the town looking at more damage. CU This used to be a home or building now it's a pile of rubble. Chickens walking about the blown apart home looking for food. MCU People of the town sitting amidst a blown up building. CU Man writing down notes as the other one gives a statement. Farmers searching the vicinity for anything that is salvageable. MLS Two oxen pulling the things that were salvageable. Woman going through her blown up home.
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School For Baby Sitters In Holland After getting final instruction in baby care, young college students take on first customers. But like everybody who ever tried, no amount of blandishments cut any ice with baby. When he doesn't want to eat, he just won't. MLS College boys standing around the table watching a nurse change a baby's diaper. CU A unhappy baby with one of the college students holding his back for support. CU A college student working on his studies he gets up and attends to the baby. Baby in crib looking between the bars. Pot with baby food in it you see the hands of the student taking the food and putting it on a dish. MCU Male sitter holding the baby in one hand and with his other hand, he is carrying the baby food. CU Student trying to feed the baby. Baby will not eat the food.
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July 25, 1995 - Part 3
(11:25:28) Mr. GEARAN. That is my handwriting, Senator. It would be my practice to try to date and time things as best I could. Senator SHELBY. Were these notes relative to a conversation that you had with Mr. Heymann, who was the Deputy Attorney General of the United States, and also David Gergen was in the conference call? Mr. GEARAN. That's correct. Senator SHELBY. The three of you at this time? Mr. GEARAN. That's correct, Senator. Senator SHELBY, That was apparently in the morning on July 29, 1993. Senator BOXER. Mr. Chairman, could I have a copy of that? I cannot read this off the screen. Senator SHELBY. I'm sure we'll give you a copy of it. Senator BOXER. I would greatly appreciate it because I can't follow. Senator SHELBY. Mr. Gearan, what position did you hold at the White House on July 29, 1993? Mr. GEARAN. Assistant to the President and Director of Communications. Senator SHELBY. Is that your position today? Mr. GEARAN. It is, sir. Senator SHELBY. What is your job, your responsibilities as Dire ctor of Communications at the Whit House? Mr. GEARAN. To explain and communicate the President's agenda, to answer questions from members of the press and to try to provide information to the public through members of the press corps. Senator SHELBY. These notes that I would ask you about as we go down them referring to--it says "Philip Heymann phone call"; is that correct? Mr. GEARAN. That's correct, Senator. (11:27:08)(tape #10121 ends) Senator SHELBY. It says "Janet and Phil recommended the following things." In other words, you're talking about Janet Reno, the Attorney General of the United States, and the Deputy Attorney General, Phil Heymann, regarding the note; is that correct? Mr. GEARAN. That's correct. Senator SHELBY. In the context. What did they recommend, according to your note, if you'll translate the note? 269 Mr. GEARAN. Senator, this was in the period when the writings were found in Mr. Foster's briefcase, and the question for the White House Senator SHELBY. Excuse me a minute, if you would, please. The note had not, at this point in time, been released to the press, had it? Mr. GEARAN. Senator, the note was found on the 26th, I believe. Senator SHELBY. The 26th, OK. Mr. GEARAN. Of July. Senator SHELBY, When was it released to the press? Mr. GEARAN. On the 28th it was confirmed, to my understanding. It was confirmed Senator SHELBY. Two days later? Mr. GEARAN. -the existence of it was confirmed Senator SHELBY. This is subsequent to the release; is that right? Mr. GEARAN. That's correct, sir- It was released to the contents of the noted. I think at that point in time it was already affirmed that a note was found. Senator SHELBY. It was in the public domain by now? Mr. GEARAN. The contents were not, sir. Senator SHELBY. The contents were not? Mr. GEARAN. Correct. Senator SHELBY. Just the fact that a note had been found was released, but not the contents in the note? Mr. GEARAN. That's correct, Senator. senator SHELBY. So let's go back. You made these notes regarding the conversation that you were having with Phil Heymann, the Deputy Attorney General. Joined with you was David Gergen, who was Counselor to the President? Mr. GEARAN. Yes, Senator, Senator SHELBY. Help me along here. These were notes, It says that Janet Reno and Phil Heymann recommended that you-meaning the White House-leave the release to the investigators, the Park Police and the FBI regarding the contents of the note; is that correct? Mr. GEARAN. That's correct, sir. The question that day, if I may, for the White House was to seek the guidance from the Deputy Attorney General as to what was the appropriate course we should follow for the circumstances of releasing the contents of the note. Should we do it, should the investigators do it, and the purpose of this call Senator SHELBY. How would it be handled, in other words? Mr. GEARAN. I'm sorry. Senator SHELBY. How it would be handled? Mr. GEARAN. That's correct. Senator SHELBY. When you say in the next note, "they will look at circumstances surrounding finding of the note," is that the Department of Justice will look or the people of the press? Mr. GEARAN. It's unclear from my note, Senator. 1 guess I would read this as the Park Police and the FBI field office, Senator SHELBY. The investigators will look at circumstances surrounding the finding of the note? Mr. GEARAN. That was his guidance to the White House. 270 Senator SHELBY. When you said next, "can't promise when to re lease," is that the Department of Justice or how would you inter pret it? Mr. GEARAN. It could be the Park Police or the themselves. Senator SHELBY. "Can't promise when to release"? Mr. GEARAN. When the contents of the notes would be released Senator SHELBY. They had the note, did they not? Did they have the note, the investigators? Mr. GEARAN. That's correct. Senator SHELBY. So it was in their control? Mr. GEARAN, Correct. Senator SHELBY. They would make the release. The next thing I see here says "send all questions to them or to the Department of Justice." This was Heymann saying this to you; is that right? Mr. GEARAN. That's correct, sir. Senator SHELBY. He also says "I think chances are Park Police will release in some time. If wrongdoing in finding note, it will take longer." What do you mean by that? What did he mean by that?
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July 25, 1995 - Part 3
(11:30:49) Mr. GEARAN. I would read my notes as telling the White House that he thinks---"he," Mr. Heymann-that the chances are that the Park Police will release it in some time, meaning, I think, I would suspect, a short period of time. If there was wrongdoing in the finding of the note, it would take longer. He was Senator SHELBY. Sure, a longer investigation, obviously? Mr. GEARAN. I would think that would be a fair reading of it, yes, sir. Senator SHELBY. The next thing in your handwriting, as I understand it, says "authenticity of note and circumstances under which it was found," Was that you were trying to figure out how to get the news out regarding the note, or what does that mean? Mr. GEARAN. I would suspect this is the process that the investigators would need to go through. Senator SHELBY. To authenticate the note? Mr. GEARAN. To authenticate the note with relevant handwriting analysis and to look at all the circumstances under which it was found. Senator SHELBY. Then Heymann's statement was, best guess-all will go forward without any interruption. It doesn't say that I'm just reading it that way. Do you want to interpret that? Read what you mean. Mr. GEARAN. fie's saying that his best guess---"his," again, Mr. Heymann's-is that it will all go forward without an investigation and that it would be-there would be suspicions if it was released today. Senator SHELBY. Then, the next item, what are you saying there, "talking with the Park Police at high level"-this is Heymann speaking, and you're making notes; right? Mr. GEARAN. That's correct, sir. I would read this as he is talking---"he again, Mr. Heymann-is talking with the Park Police at a high level, and there's a parenthetical, "[Tom Collier]," who know to be the Chief of Staff for the Secretary of the Interior. 271 Senator SHELBY. Did Heymann make clear-is this the next item here in your handwriting, "made clear that White House wanted to know if there was an objection regarding the releasing of the note"? Mr. GEARAN. That's correct. Senator SHELBY. The next thing would be the risk of release. In other words, it would arouse suspicion if it was released by the White House, maybe? Mr. GEARAN. Yes. Again, Senator Senator SHELBY. Rather than through the investigator? Mr. GEARAN. That's correct, and the purpose of our call was to seek his guidance as to what the appropriate course is for the White House to take. Senator SHELBY. Through the Justice Department? Mr. GEARAN. Through the Deputy Attorney General, correct. Senator SHELBY. He was speaking for himself and, obviously, for the Attorney General? Mr. GEARAN. He was the appropriate person that we were told to deal with when matters involved an investigative nature, Senator SHELBY. Your next thing, would you interpret that, your notes? "There's a sense" Mr. GEARAN. "There's a sense from Park Police, including Phil and Department of Justice and probably the Washington field office, that too much of the investigation in the inquiry before, when and after, was exercised by the White House and those too close to Vince." Then it gets difficult to read. Senator SHELBY. Does it say "suspicion is extremely dangerous"? Is that what your Mr. GEARAN. I think that's what it says, sir. Senator SHELBY. It says "do everything in power to quiet suspicion"? Mr. GEARAN. "To quiet suspicion." Senator SHELBY. In other words, Heymann was giving you good advice-giving the White House good advice, wasn't he? Mr. GEARAN. I think he was making clear his position. Senator SHELBY. Was that advice heeded? Mr. GEARAN. Certainly by the Communications Office. Senator SHELBY. But belatedly? Mr. GEARAN. I'm sorry? Senator SHELBY. It was belatedly heeded, wasn't it? Mr. GEARAN. I certainly heeded his advice. Senator SHELBY. I want to turn to the second page. Mr. Chairman, can I proceed on this? The CHAIRMAN. Yes, in the interest of continuity and time and to keep it flowing, yes. Senator SHELBY. Mr. Gearan, on the second page after it says power to quiet suspicion," Heymann said, it says "cross out" something. What do your notes refer to there? Mr. GEARAN. It seems to say "the complaint," but it's fairly unclear. Senator SHELBY. Sir? Mr. GEARAN, The cross-out, Senator? I believe it says "the complaint," but I'm not certain of that. Senator SHELBY. OK 272 Mr. GEARAN, The next line says "I've had heated discussions on the way the documents were handled with Bernie." Senator SHELBY. This is coming from Philip Heymann, the Deputy Attorney General of the United States, on this occasion, quoting, again, your handwriting, "I've had heated discussions on the way- documents were handled by Bernie Nussbaum." Mr. GEARAN. Correct. Senator SHELBY. Where it says "Janet Reno" is this with Mr. GEARAN, Senator, I don't know if that refers to that sentence or the next three points. Senator SHELBY. Go ahead with the next thing.
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Another distinguished visitor arrives at the nations capital from Israel. Traveling on Israel's own air liner. Prime Minister Ben Gurion and his party exit the airliner. Prime minister is here on the launching of a half billion Israelis bond issue Establishing shot - The Israelis air liner lands it has four propellers on it MCUS - The people are standing in a roped in area and there are police there making sure they stand behind the lines MCUS - Prime Minister Ben Gurion and his party exit the plane CUHS - Prime Minister Ben Gurion MS - Ben Gurion walking with his supporters
Annapolis Naval Academy
Midshipmen Get Dunked with a splash at the Naval Academy by Gilbert The Dunker Device. Once dunked the faster you get out of the device can mean the difference between life or death. The Naval Academy is 33 miles east of Washington, D.C.. Establishing shot - Two platforms set up to try out the ditching devices, looks like a roller coaster ride as they go down the rails MCUS - The device hits the water and submerges and the pilots in training unbuckle their safety belts and swim out of the devices CUS - Midshipmen sitting in the device, it's cut loose and down he goes into the water- up-side-down MCUS - Midshipman gets out of the device and swims to safety
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The city goes all out in its welcome to 1,500 GI's returning after rugged service on the Korean front. They are the first army troops to be returned under the newly adopted rotation system, and the army transport General Leroy Eltinge gets a royal harbor welcome. MCUS - Military passenger ship coming in to dock MLS - A fire boat shooting water up in the air MCUS - Military docking at the harbor CUS - High ranking officer waving at the soldiers who are standing at the ships rails on the military passenger ship MCUS - Pretty young ladies waving and smiling MCUS - Military men walking down the gang plank MCUS - Young girl kissing a soldier MCUS - Joe E Brown an old time comic from the 40's and 50's welcoming the soldiers OHLS - Parade with the soldiers in trucks MOHS - The throngs of people who are welcoming the soldiers back home
French Mop Up Reds
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Apple Blossoms: Thousands Throng Virginia Festival
Miss Geri Lie, daughter of UN Secretary General Trivet Lie is crowned queen of the twenty-fourth Shenandoah Apple Festival. Secretary of Defense Marshall officiates at the coronation, which opens one of the nation's most colorful yearly pageants. MCUS - The debutants and escorts are lined up standing on steps MCUS - Sect Marshall kisses Queen Shenandoah on the Cheek MS - Queen Shenandoah and her court wander through the apple orchards MCUS - The crowd watching and clapping MCUS - Queen Shenandoah and some of the debutants and children on a float MCUS - A float that has a sign on it saying "Crush your cigarette". MCUS - Girls on the float tossing apples at the crowd
July 25, 1995 - Part 3
(11:35:31) Mr. GEARAN. It says "Janet Reno" Senator SHELBY. -"worried about" what? Mr. GEARAN. "Worried about four." Senator SHELBY. What is she worried about, according to your notes? Mr. GEARAN. I can't recollect with any certainty, Senator. I could read this as worried about the 4 days that lapse in between Mr. Foster's death and when the note was found. Senator SHELBY. The search of the office and the finding of the note? Mr. GEARAN. Yes, sir. Senator SHELBY. Was that a 4-day period? Mr. GEARAN. That's my understanding. Senator SHELBY. Would that be a plausible thing? Mr. GEARAN. That's correct, not his death, but from the 22nd to the 26th. Senator SHELBY, "The lateness of finding the note," that's all incorporated in her concern about that? Mr. GEARAN. That's how I would read my notes, sir. Senator SHELBY. "The length of time in disclosure to us" Mr. GEARAN. That's correct, Senator SHELBY. -that was to the Justice Department? Mr. GEARAN. To the Justice Department, yes, sir. Senator SHELBY, How long, Mr. Gearan, did the White House keep the note prior to disclosure to the Justice Department? Mr. GEARAN. Senator, my understanding Senator SHELBY. Twelve hours or a whole day? Mr. GEARAN. My understanding, it was found late afternoon on the 26th, and it was disclosed, then, the next day in the--early evening, by 6 p.m., to the Attorney General. Senator SHELBY. So Heymann's relating to you in this conversation that the Attorney General was worried about-that would be a common thing to think about, wouldn't it, like the Attorney General was doing? Mr. GEARAN. That's how I would read my notes, sir. Senator SHELBY. Then the next statement, I believe, in your handwriting, if I can understand it, says "nobody believes there's anything but suicide"; is that correct? Mr. GEARAN. Uh-huh. Senator SHELBY. You go down further and it says-this is Heymann talking again to you and Gergen-the odds are against a story in a day or two on note arrow pointing down. What does it mean by the arrow pointing down? These are your notes. 273 Mr. GEARAN. They are. Senator, I would read that there was, I think, a tremendous assumption, this having affirmed and dis- closed that a note was indeed found and turned over to the Department of Justice, that the contents of this note would be a very sought-after document in Washington. I would read this that the chances that this note came into the public domain were fairly significant. Senator SHELBY. Then it says in your notes "I in 3 or 1 in 4 chances," of what? "Suspicion story"? Mr. GEARAN, Senator, I don't know Senator SHELBY. Read your notes there, Mr. GEARAN. Yes, sir. It says "I in 3 or I in 4 chances" and underneath that it says "Park Police or Washington field office." Senator SHELBY. But it also says on the left "of suspicion story"? Mr. GEARAN. Correct. Senator SHELBY. In other words, that the people will be suspicious about the whole story, perhaps? Mr. GEARAN. I don't recall, Senator. Senator SHELBY. But you could read that that way, couldn't you? Mr. GEARAN. One could. Senator SHELBY. Sure. Mr. GEARAN. It could also be read as Senator SHELBY. I understand. Go ahead. It could be read as what? Mr. GEARAN. It could also be read as, if the White House disclosed the contents of the note that day, there would be suspicions raised and, of course, that was the purpose of our call to the Department of Justice to got their Senator SHELBY. Or suspicions raised of not releasing it, too? Mr. GEARAN. Either way, Senator. senator SHELBY. You could read it both ways? Mr. GEARAN. Yes, sir. Senator SHELBY. Let's go down to your other handwriting there. It says "if any sign of White House Counsel and the Chief of Staff people"- what does that mean? "If there's any sign of White House Counsel or COS"-Chief of Staff-"people, any one of those people supervising closely the investigation, they're asking questions, you'll see all hell break loose." In other words, are they worried again at the Department of Justice, along with Mr. Heymann, if they, the White House people, White House Counsel are controlling the investigation or how this comes out "all hell will break loose"? Is that a logical Mr. GEARAN. Senator, 1 think it supplements the point he made earlier about the so-called heated discussions that he had had with Mr. Nussbaum. Senator SHELBY. The way all this was handled? Mr. GEARAN. Yes, sir. Senator SHELBY. Then your next note was, if I can interpret it right- and you correct me if I'm wrong---"best idea is from Mr. Heymann saying release when investigators want to." In other words, let the investigators release Mr. GEARAN. Again, Senator, this was a question as to what we should do to the members of the press. That is the sole purpose of this call and the question became when we should release it. His 274 guidance to the White House at that time was his best idea was that we should release it when the investigators want to, Senator SHELBY. Your next note says "display openness to investigators." This was Heymann to you; is that right? Mr, GEARAN, Yes. Senator SHELBY. And Gergen? Mr. GEARAN. That's correct, sir.
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Stars of the silent screen, including William Barnum and Francis x. Bushman, take part in colorful preview ceremonies for UI's film epic about Hollywood, titled 'the Hollywood Story.' CUS - Neal Hamiltom receives a scroll from New York's, Walter Shirley CUS - Carmell Myers and Josephine Hull, Director William Castle, Betty Firness, Charles Colburn and Anita Noldie. Hollywood: CUS - Jack Benny, Piper Laurie, Julia Addams and Francis X Bushman MCUS - Crowd applauding the stars MCUS - Richard Conti and his wife MCUS - Tony Curtis, Helen Gibson and Maryann Meed
Earthquake - Hundreds Die In Ruins Of El Salvador Tremors
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July 25, 1995 - Part 3
(11:40:31) Senator SHELBY. On the third page, your notes from this conversation say "I'm reluctant, I don't feel I can tell you, and then you've got "complaints." Now, this, again, is Mr. Heymann relating to you and Mr. Gergen how to handle this and also some of his judgments; is that right? Mr. GEARAN. Yes. He was, again, giving us his judgment as to what we should do about disclosure of the contents of the note. Senator SHELBY. What's your next words there, is it "reactions of suspicions"? Would you read that? Mr. GEARAN. Yes. It says "reaction of suspicions." I would take that to mean revealed to us, meaning the Department of Justice, I would take it. Senator SHELBY. In other words, the Justice Department was concerned about the reactions of suspicions? Mr. GEARAN. I think that could be a reading of it. I think it could also be that he was aware of the concerns that he had previously expressed to Mr. Nussbaum. Senator SHELBY. Your next note, does that mean basically in all stages, White House has controlled the investigation in all ways? Mr. GEARAN. It says "basically in all stages controlled in all 71 ways. Senator SHELBY. It would be an inference that it was talking about the White House Counsel? Mr. GEARAN. That would be-that's my recollection. Senator SHELBY. That would be the way you would read this? Mr. GEARAN. Yes, sir. Senator SHELBY. "They don't feel they can see, is that "say"? Mr. GEARAN. That would be a fair reading. Senator SHELBY. "They don't feel they can say they've conducted an inquiry." Is Mr. Heymann speaking about the investigators, the Park Police and the FBI, up to then and the Justice Department? Mr. GEARAN. I don't know. Senator SHELBY. "They don't feel they can say they've conducted an inquiry." In other words, it was a sham up to now? Mr. GEARAN, Senator Senator SHELBY. Isn't that what he's saying to you? Mr. GEARAN. I would read it as the concerns that he had previously expressed twice about the nature of the search and the concerns that he had expressed to Mr. Nussbaum. Senator SHELBY. He's talking about the investigators, isn't he? Mr. GEARAN. Yes, I would assume "they" are investigators. Senator SHELBY. Your next words say "much too much control from beginning." Could that clip be interpreted as the White House had too much control from the beginning of the investigation? Mr. GEARAN. Senator, it doesn't- Senator SHELBY. How would you interpret your notes there? 275 Mr. GEARAN. It doesn't say White House, but I think, again, it supplements his broader point about the concerns about the nature of the way the investigation was conducted from the beginning, Senator SHELBY. And who was involved in controlling the investigation, the White House Counsel. So you couldn't read it any other way, could you? Mr. GEARAN. I think Senator SHELBY, This is Mr. Heymann who is telling you how concerned he is , as the Deputy Attorney General, about how the investigation has occurred up to now? Isn't that the context of this? Mr. GEARAN. Yes, sir. Senator SHELBY. The next words, as 1 interpret your handwriting-you go ahead and tell us what it says, "it was a mistake" Mr. GEARAN. "It was a mistake to rely on silence"-I would assume that's "of low-level investigators when dealing with a highlevel case." Senator SHELBY. In other words, Mr. Heymann was telling you again it was a mistake to rely on the silence of low-level investigators, in other words, the Park Police and others to keep their silence on what kind of investigation they did, which they didn't they're already saying they didn't do much of an investigation. They weren't permitted to do one. In other words, it was a mistake to rely on them to keep quiet about Mr. Nussbaum's not letting them do an ordinary investigation into the White House Counsel's Office. Isn't that what Heymann was saying? Mr. GEARAN. I would read that as the concerns that, again, he had expressed about the search on the 22nd with the various law enforcement officials. Senator SHELBY. Absolutely. That's just what I'm referring to. Senator BOXER. Could I get my time at some point? Senator SHELBY. Drop down just a little more and it says "DG"; is that right? Is that David Gergen? Mr. GEARAN. That would be David Gergen. Senator SHELBY. "PH" is Phil Heymann? Mr. GEARAN. That's correct. Senator SHELBY. By "DG," what do your notes record? Mr. GEARAN. My notes record that David said "we will not release on the recommendation of the Department of Justice. It will be by the Park Police." Again, this was the release of the contents of the note. Senator SHELBY. The contents of the note? Mr. GEARAN. Yes, sir. Senator SHELBY. What does Phil Heymann say? The CHAIRMAN. Senator, let me do this: The Committee has, because you have undertaken a very thoughtful manner of this examination, gone well over the time limit. I'm going to ask unanimous consent, because I think the Senator only has a few more minutes, and if anybody objects, why, then, we'll go to this side. You've already been very gracious, but I think it's-we want the yfacts and so Senator SHELBY. Mr. Chairman, if I could, I'm just trying to finish this. It's not going to be long. I think it's important.
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