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July 18, 1995 - Part 3
(12:05:40) Mr. CHERTOFF. Am I correct that at one period of time you were the Mayor of Little Rock? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes. The Mayor of Little Rock is a nonpaying position in Little Rock, at least it was up until a year ago, and I served on the city board of Little Rock for 6 years, 1978 through 1984, and served as Mayor for 2 years. Mr. CHERTOFF. During tile 1980's, how large a law firm was the Rose Law Firm? 42 Mr. HUBBELL. The law firm grew from a firm of about 20 lawyers in the beginning of the 1980's to a firm of approximately 50 lawyers by the end of 1990. Mr. CHERTOFF. How many of those were partners? Mr. HUBBELL. Approximately 30 by the end of 1990. Mr. CHERTOFF. When did you first meet Vincent Foster? Mr. HUBBELL. I first met Vincent Foster when I interviewed with the firm in early 1973 and then officially met him when I joined the firm in May 1973. 1 may have met Vince-we crossed in law school, but he was 2 years ahead of me and I didn't socialize with Vince at that time. Mr. CHERTOFF. After you joined the firm, did you become good friends with Mr. Foster? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes, I did. We practiced in the same area for a long period of time, we shared secretaries, and we worked on cases together until we both came up here. Mr. CHERTOFF. Did you come to learn some of the details of his background? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes, I consider Vince a very, very good friend, and I knew a lot of his educational background and we shared a lot. We shared a lot of good times. We grieved together. We worked together. It was a constant communication over a period of almost 20 years. Mr. CHERTOFF. Did you come to learn that, in fact, Mr. Foster had graduated at the top of his class at law school and had passed out first on the bar exam? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes, he did. He was also managing editor of the Arkansas Law Review. Mr. CHERTOFF. Did you also come to learn that way back when he was a little boy he was in kindergarten with the future President of the United States and the future Chief of Staff to the White I-louse? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes, they all grew up in Hope, and Vince and Mack both graduated from Hope High School. Mr. CHERTOFF. During the period of time up until 1993, was Mr. Foster active in politics when he was at the firm? Mr. HUBBELL. Vince was always behind the scenes. He worked and helped the President. He never had an active role in anyone's campaign, other than many of us played active roles in various judicial campaigns. Mr. CHERTOFF. What area of legal practice did Mr. Foster specialize in? Mr. HUBBELL. Litigation, civil litigation. Mr. CHERTOFF. That involves going to court and arguing appeals and things of that sort? Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct. He did not do any criminal work, but he did civil litigation for at least 22 years. Mr. CHERTOFF. Now I'd like to ask you about a few other people who at some point became partners at the firm, Was there a point at which Hillary Rodham Clinton joined the law firm? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes, Hillary Clinton joined the firm in 1977 when her husband was sworn in as Attorney General of Arkansas. Mr. CHERTOFF. When did she become a partner at the firm? 43 Mr. HUBBELL. Either 2 or 3 years later she became, what we call members of the firm because we were a corporation, but they're the same as partners in many other firms. Mr. CHERTOFF. Now, what was her area of legal practice? Mr. HUBBELL. She was also in the litigation section and worked on cases with Vince and I and others. Mr. CHERTOFF. What about William Kennedy? Mr. HUBBELL. Bill Kennedy was with the firm. He actually came, I believe, before Hillary did, or about the same time. Then he left the firm to become-he had worked for Senator McClellan and he came up to be Senator Hodges' Chief of Staff. After Senator Hodges' term was up, he came back to the firm. lie was initially in the litigation section with Vince and Hillary and 1, but in the late 1970's he switched and started doing securities and banking work. Mr. CHERTOFF. Now, am I correct that by the late 1980's, you and Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Foster were working together in the litigation department or section of the firm? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes, we were. Mr. CHERTOFF, Is it fair to say that you had occasion, the three of you, to work together on various cases? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes, we worked, the three of us, on cases together and obviously two of us on big cases together and we were very good friends. Mr. CHERTOFF. I assume, also, from a professional standpoint you had occasion to talk among yourselves even about the cases each of you was working on individually. Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct, both going to lunch together in various partner's offices, talking about the work that we were each doing.
Caribbean-Cuba and Dominican Republic
Raw footage of Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic, and Havana, Cuba.
Havana Scenes
LS El Morro lighthouse. Rear view MS white woman leaning against wall at Malecon, Havana, Cuba, pen left to El Morro Castle & lighthouse. MS Cuban man wearing glasses, smiling & singing while playing acoustic guitar, palm trees in BG. Panning TLS shirtless skinny young white man w. buzzcut waterskiing, turning around. TLSs Woman buying fruit from vendor on street, then crossing street. Panning MS Cuban men talking, clowning around at flower vendor stand on street. Panning MS stone wall of fortress, stop at shirtless Cuban boy eating, licking popsicle while admiring wall. TLS old cathedral (church) w/ adjacent belfry. LS El Morro Castle from Malecon. TLSs smiling Cuban man demonstrating maracas in park; white American tourists happen onto scene, play w/ man.
Radio Tower - Cuba
LS/TLS/MSs radio station and broadcasting tower in Cuba. TLS building, sign reading, "Circuito Radial La Voz Del Yuna, Edificio de Plantias."
Cuba Tourism
Raw footage of Havana landmarks, scenics, streets, etc, circa 1947.
Camaguey, Cuba, Scenes
Camaguey, Cuba, Scenes
July 18, 1995 - Part 3
(12:10:36) Mr. CHERTOFF. Now, in the beginning of 1993, a number of you from the Rose Law Finn went to Washington, Can you tell us, other than the obvious fact that Mrs. Clinton went to Washington, who left the firm to take various positions with the Clinton Administration? Mr. HUBBELL. Vince left the firm to become Deputy White House Counsel. I left to become an Assistant to the Attorney General in the Justice Department, Within a month, Bill Kennedy came to be an Associate Counsel in the White House. Mr. CHERTOFF. Let's turn, first, to your career at the Department of Justice. I'd like to focus your attention really on the period 1993, from the time you arrived in Washington up through June or July of 1993. How did you come to be appointed to a position within the Department? Mr. HUBBELL. I had been asked by the President whether I was willing to come to Washington and be a part of the Administration. He initially asked me to visit with Zoe Baird to see if there was a fit. I interviewed with Zoe Baird in early January, and she asked that I join the Department of Justice with her and be available on January 20, Mr. CHERTOFF. Now, we all know that ultimately Zoe Baird didn't become the Attorney General. At the point in time that Janet Reno became Attorney General, did you assume a position in the hierarchy of the Department of Justice? 44 (12:12:06)(tape #10109 ends) Mr. HUBBELL. I had been an assistant to Stuart Gerson, and I played that same role with Janet Reno, but probably more ex- panded. At that time, we still did not have any Assistant Attorney Generals even nominated, or a nominee for Deputy or Solicitor as well. Ultimately, I became Acting Associate Attorney General and then was confirmed by the Senate and became Associate Attorney General. Mr. CHERTOFF. Associate Attorney General was the third position' in the Department? Mr. HUBBELL. That is correct. Mr. CHERTOFF. You basically had responsibility for what are generally regarded as the civil parts of what the Department does? Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct. Mr. CHERTOFF. Now, did you come to know a man by the name of Phil Heymann? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes, I did. Mr. CHERTOFF. Was he the Deputy Attorney General? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes, he was the Acting Deputy and then upon being confirmed he became Deputy Attorney General. Mr. CHERTOFF. What were his responsibilities as Deputy? Mr. HUBBELL. Phil was the number two position at Justice. He supervised not only the criminal division, but the criminal divisions of the Department of Justice, such as the FBI, the DEA, the marshals and the prisons. Mr. CHERTOFF. Were you aware that Mr. Heymann had a lot of experience from his prior career in working at the Department of Justice and particularly in the area of criminal law? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes, I was. I believe he was the Assistant Attorney General for the criminal division at one time and was aware of his extensive background in the area of criminal law. I actually-Phil and I talked a lot about it and I interviewed Phil with Janet Reno when he first came to the Department of Justice. Mr. CHERTOFF. You obviously thought he was well qualified to direct the criminal activities, the criminal investigative activities of the Department? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes, I did. Mr. CHERTOFF. Now, within the top hierarchy of the Department, is it fair to say that you were the principal liaison with the White House? Mr. HUBBELL. I think that's fair. I mean, there was no real line of authority to the White House, but I was-because of the unique, nature of what happened with regard to Zoe Baird and my familiarity with a lot of people in the White House, I would say that is correct. Mr, CHERTOFF. You had occasion, both socially and in terms Of. your job responsibilities, to be over at the White I-louse? Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct. Mr. CHERTOFF. Did you ever visit Vincent Foster in his office? Mr. HUBBELL. I think, except for one time, every time I went to the White I-louse I tried to stop by and see Vince. Mr. CHERTOFF. Did you also come to know the White House Counsel? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes, I did. I worked with him briefly in the transition and, then, like I said, I would probably be in contact with Bernie and/or Vince on a daily basis. Mr. CHERTOFF. Bernie is Bernard Nussbaum? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes. Mr. CHERTOFF. He was a lawyer in New York; correct? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes, he is. Mr. CHERTOFF. Am I correct that at the time that Mr. Foster joined the White House Counsel's Office, he took the number two position directly under Mr. Nussbaum? Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct. I believe they were announced on the same day. Mr. CHERTOFF, Then Mr. Kennedy was an Associate White House Counsel as well? Mr. HUBBELL. That is correct. Mr. CHERTOFF. Now, where were Mr. Foster's and Mr. Nussbaum's offices physically located? Mr. HUBBELL. They were on the top floor of the-I guess they call it the West Wing, in one corner of the White House there. Mr. CHERTOFF. Physically in the White House building? Mr. HUBBELL. Physically in the White House building on the top floor, yes.
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Opera (C/U shot like 'Madame Butterfly"
Special effect (feet and hands on drum)
Special effect (feet and hands on drum) *look for companion reel under nightclubs
Opera singer
Opera (C/U shot like 'Madame Butterfly")
New York theatre
Orchestra
Orchestra - formal
Symphony orchestra
Symphony orchestra
ON PREVIEW CASSETTE 210347 Ballet - color
T.V. sets
T.V. sets
Girl singing / dancing Western Saloon
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Miss photo fair
Miss photo fair