Jules Stein, Board Chairman of MCA, plays host to 37 United Nations delegates as they tour Universal City. Most say it is the highlight of their swing around the United States as they see how movies are made and visit the many permanent "Cities" and "Towns" on the lot. Los Angeles, California Large sign welcoming the United Nations Delegates to Universal City Studios, Universal City Mayor, Joan Staley and Bruce Cabot act as guides for the United Nation Delegates who visit the studio by invitation of Julies Stein, Chairman of MCA. MS - Some of the Dignitaries shaking hands with Joan Staley. MS - Dignitaries walking into the set of Gambit. CUS - Shirley MacLaine chewing away with some gum in her mouth. CU - Dignitary taking Shirley's picture. CUS - Universal City Tour Train, some of the Dignitaries are seated and taking in the scenery. High Angle Shot - Inside the train looking down at eh Dignitaries. Medium Exterior Shot - The Munster's house. MS - Just completed - Show Boat. MS - Frontier Stockade MS - Exterior of a building that only is completed in front. High Angle Shot - Universal City's world of Make Believe.
It all started on the playing fields of Rugby in 1823 and the ball hasn't stopped bouncing since. This is the France-Ireland meeting in the Five-Nations League and in a rough and tumble game, France outpoints Ireland 11 to 6. Paris, France High Angle Shot looking down at the playing field, Rugby player's are playing in the background you can see throngs that packed the stadium. CUS - A player kicks the ball, camera pans over to the stands with two fans that are amazed on the strength of the kick. MCUS - Player is holding and running with the ball, he is surrounded by other players so he passes the ball, it is caught and the player is taken down - his reflexes are quick so he passes the ball, it is caught and after a short run, he is tackled and taken down. These guys are wearing no protection. MCU - Girls and guys seated in the stands, stand up and start applauding. High Angle Shot - The players are giving their all to the game, running, passing, catching and kicking the ball. MS - France goes ahead in the final period MS - The ball is caught by France and ran over the field goal line, chalking up a score for France, 11 to 6.
The "Grand Prix of Germany" is one of Europe's Top jumping events, drawing the continent's best....Fifteen horses and riders compete this year and it's flawless examples of horsemanship --- nary a spill. Germany The rider on the horse is in the midst of jumping fences, and the riding of the steed is almost flawless. His scores were perfect but his elapsed time pushed him back to second place MS - Another German rider is on his steed going through the he paces showing off his riding and jumping ability's is so good that this is the third time he wins the Grand Prix of Equestrian Jumping. CUS - Shot of the horses head and the ribbon is placed on his bridal - 1st Place.
Hubert Humphrey returns from a 14 day Asian trip and is greeted on the White House lawn by President Johnson. He reports that he found full confidence in Freedom's ultimate triumph. Later in the day, Mr. Johnson flies to New York where he receives an award from Freedom House --- a bronze sculpture of himself. He promises that there will be no "blind escalation of the war" and says that the U.S. is not neglecting any peace efforts, but sees no early end. Washington DC Vice President Humphrey's White House helicopter landing on the White House lawn. Lucy and President Johnson walk up to the helicopter to welcome and greet Vice President Humphrey. MS - President and Vice President patting and giving each other a bear hug. CU - Media snapping pictures of President Humphrey's return. MS - President Johnson, Vice President Humphrey and his wife Muriel, Dean Rusk and other White House staff members walking back to the White House. New York, NY LS President Johnson accepts an award from Freedom House. MS The award of President Johnson is a bronze head with an engraving . MS - Audience applauding. President Lyndon B. Johnson "If the aggressor persists in Vietnam, the struggle may well be long. Our men in battle know and they accept this hard fact. We who are at home can do as much because there is no computer that can tell the hour and the day of peace, but we do know that it will come only to the steadfast and never to the weakened heart."
Deep in the Algerian desert, France successfully launches an all-French package. Both the capsule and launcher are home products and scientists say that the Diamant Rocket is not "fully operational". This makes France a third, if minor, member of the Space Club. Algeria Aerial of a French Fort reminiscent of the French Foreign Legion, but this is the French Space Center in the Algerian Desert. MS - Rocket on a launching pad. MS 42 LB. Diamant Satellite, it will make readings on the earth's magnetic field. Low Angle Shot - The painter/artist finishing up whatever he painted on the rocket. Medium Long Shot - Rocket sitting on the launching pad all lit up. Camera Panning - Sky with some clouds. Interior Shot - French space command. MS - TelePrompTer screens. CUS - Technicians and French Scientist at the French Command Center. CUS - A human finger pushing the take-off-rocket button. LS - Black smoke pouring out of the rocket engines LS - Rocket slowly lifting into space. CUS - Military technician operating a tracking camera. MS - Front View - Military technician operating the Tracking camera as it lifts into space. Ground to Air - The Diamant Rocket leaving a big smoke trial.
It's business as usual in New Orleans - monkey business - as crowds carpet the street curbs to hail Rex, Mirthful Monarch of Mardi-Gras. They also celebrate the 100th Anniversary of Alice's trip to Wonderland and never were the floats so pretty, the crowds so great and everyone's feet too tired. New Orleans, Louisiana One of the main streets all decorated in New Orleans. High Angle Shot - People dressed in costumes and throngs pack the street's. CUS - One of the floats and then the camera pulls back showing the whole float ant the people that surround it. High Angle / Back Shot - The massive crowd in the street's holding their arms up so they can catch necklaces of beads and other trinkets thrown from the floats. MS - A float with a huge bull on it and the people on the float are dressed like chef s. MS - A float with rabbits on it. LS - The street packed with people, floats and the balconies on the building are packed with people too.
They don't need interstate highways in Naples, Florida, they have Swamp Buggies that can go through terrain that Detroit fears to tread. The 14th Annual Swamp Buggy Derby is a lively affair as they splash along a course that would give ducks the heebie-jeebies. Naples, Florida Throngs sitting at the lake side watching men driving their Dune Buggies into the water. MS - Crowd sitting in the stand's. MS - All the Dune Buggies are line up and one of the officials waves a starting flag and off they go. MS - The Dune Buggies in the water cutting through the water making large rooster tails of water. MS - One of the drivers of the Dune Buggy wearing a fireman's hat and on the side of his vehicle is painted a name 'Poni - Horse'. MS - All these Dune Buggies are made to look like jeeps, ducks, hillbilly cars etc.. MS - People sitting in the stands looking and enjoying this crazy race and the mud these Buggies are kicking and stirring up in the water.
The United States successfully completes a first step on the way to the Moon as the giant Saturn hurls an Apollo Moonship 5,500 miles down-range. The shoot almost failed as the automatic systems cut off 3 seconds before ignition. However, technicians backed up the countdown and tried again. The gamble paid off handsomely! Cape Kennedy, Florida Apollo rocket sitting on its pad at Cape Kennedy. Low Angle Shot - Technicians checking out some components in the rocket. CUS (Back) - Back of a man's head as he looks through binoculars. Camera panning - You see the news media platform and the distance the rocket is from the crowd of people watching the lift off. MS - Its blast off time, the engines fire up, a flash of light and lots of smoke and fire from the rear of the rocket, Apollo slowly lifts from it launching pad. MS - Apollo starts to bank off to the right and you can see the amount of fire and smoke coming from the rear rockets. MS - As Apollo gains altitude you see the fire and smoke trail it leaves behind. One of the engines shuts down and drops off into the ocean, looking like a meteorite. MS - An artist illustration of how the Apollo climbs into space and then it starts banking and slowly reenters the earths atmosphere
Once again the eastern seaboard is reminded that winter is never over until Jack Frost gets a hot-foot that will send him scurrying on his way. Five to fifteen inches of snow blanket the east and the only optimistic note is: maybe it'll ease new summer's water shortage. New York, New York Even though this shot is in black and white it is very picturesque shot of New York taken under a bridge and the underside of the bridge frames the shot. Very pretty winter scenic. MS - Water fountain and of course the water is turned off. CUS - City Traffic, bumper to bumper. CUS - Plow pushing the sludge off to the side. MS - Woman all bundled up crossing an intersection. Mother holding her little girls hand as she crosses the street. Bottom Shot - Two men walking, one of the men has on boots and the other has no boots on and has to jump over a puddle of melted snow almost falling. CU As the snow, sleet and wind blows a man's umbrella is turned inside out, he is amused by the cold breath of winter. CUS - The blade of a plow pushing sludge and water into a sewer. Lower Shots - Peoples waist down shots, some wearing boots and others are just wearing their shoes.
How the Spanish do carry on when they stage a bike race. In this slog and peddle epic, the 40 contestants make their way over muddy hill and muddy dale, walking mostly - and peddling when they can. At least the winner cleaned up the prize money. Spain The bottom half of a man running through mud carrying a bike. Rear Shot - Two men running carrying their bikes. Rear Shot - Man running through mud, he's wearing shorts carrying his bike as he reaches a point in the muddy road that is going down hill he jumps on his bike. CU A man who lost control of his bike and fell, he's getting up full of mud and he gets back on his bike. MS - the winner full of mud. People applauding his victory.
Don Clarke, the greatest distance runner of all time, sets a new indoor mark in the two mile indoor meet at San Francisco, clipping two seconds from the 3 year old record. The fleet footed Australian leads all the way as he winds up his season in a blistering blaze of glory. San Francisco, California Indoor stadium and the seats are packed with Track & Field fans. High Angle Shot - Six runners are on their mark, an official shoots the starter gun and their off and running. High Angle Shot - The runners, Don Clark of Australia is in the lead and in this race he holds the lead to the end. High Angle Shot - Don Clarke pulls himself away from the crowd of runners gaining some distance. High Angle Shot - He hits the wire at 8.28.8, 2 full seconds shaved from his old record. CUS - Photographers. Low Angle Shot - Don Clarke, from the waist up.
(19:30:27) Mr. ALTMAN. No, sir, I wasn't. Senator CAMPBELL. On page 6, you say when you told General Counsel Hanson that she'd be making A the decisions relating to Madison, were there other people present when you told her that? Mr. ALTMAN. I think I told Ellen Kulka, the RTC General Counsel and yes sir, there were other people present. Senator CAMPBELL. Was that just done verbally or did you do that also in writing? Mr. ALTMAN. I think I did it just verbally. Senator CAMPBELL. Just verbally. 479 Mr. ALTMAN. Ms. Kulka has testified to the same effect. Senator CAMPBELL. We have some of your handwritten notes on lined paper here and I wanted to ask you, too, about them. Were those just random notes or was that---do you also keep some kind of organized daily journal or logbook? Mr. ALTMAN. Could I see them, Senator? Senator CAMPBELL. Yes. I have to dig them out. I don't know if you can see them from there or not. I just jotted a few things down from them. It seems to be your handwriting from the similarity to the letter to the President. And I wondered where did those come .from, were they part of an organized journal or were they notes that you give to somebody? Mr. ALTMAN. I keep-I used to keep. Senator CAMPBELL. Yeah, don't do that. Mr. ALTMAN. I used to keep a scrapbook, and by that I mean, it was filled with press clippings that I wanted to keep, some documents that I wanted to keep, and then some notes I made periodically that I wanted to keep for my own Senator CAMPBELL. Did you turn those in to someone or how did get those? ALTMAN. These were, I believe, subpoenaed in the sense of anything that could be germane to the inquiry. Senator CAMPBELL. I see. Just a couple more, if I still have the me. You also testified that you were kind of an alter ego for, I guess, the Secretary of the Treasury and that you had a very limited in the RTC. How did you divide your time, were you not there at all in the RTC office or did you spend half a day at each place or how did you keep track of what was going on? Mr. ALTMAN. I did not keep an office at the RTC. Typically I went there twice a week for senior staff meetings over lunch on and Thursdays. Lasted about an hour and a half each group of RTC senior staff people would attend those, perhaps 8 or 10. We would review the major issues facing the agency, I was not in a position to make any operating decisions. I just didn't have the time so I didn't make any personnel decisions Senator CAMPBELL. Who made the operating decisions if you weren't there? 'Mr. ALTMAN. In 1993, Mr. Roelle and Mr. Kelly were the two vice residents and they generally did. Senator CAMPBELL. On your first page, you also mention that you some major problems that you inherited. What were those? Mr. ALTMAN. Well, for example, when we took it over the agency ,no Chief Financial Officer, it had no permanent General Counsel had no Deputy CEO. Those were vacant positions. And we had to go ahead and fill them. In addition, the contracting area not what it should have been, The PLS area, which is the Pro fessional Liability Section, the attorneys working in there were staffed. A variety of managerial weaknesses that we set to try to do something about. Senator CAMPBELL. I thank you Mr Chairman. I think that's questions for me, but I would just like to commend Mr. Altthrough a kind of a test of fire sitting here 5 hours any questions, and some of them obviously not too is not easy. 480 Mr. ALTMAN. Thank you. Senator CAMPBE CAMPBELL. So I commend him for that. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Senator Campbell. Senator Domenici. Senator DOMENICI. Mr. Chairman, a while ago my good friend from New York gratuitously gave away my time. I'm usually not that complacent. The CHAIRMAN. For a good cause. Senator DODD. We'll give it back. Senator DOMENICI. I think it's a great cause and when one of you will do that for me, since I've been waiting for hours and I never get to speak, I very much would appreciate it.
"A pictorial record of one of the proudest achievements in American history. Aboard the USS Wasp, Command Pilot Walter Schirra & Lt.Col. Thomas Stafford take a last look at their now famous Gemini 6 before leaving for the mainland & medical de-briefings. As the crew of the carrier say farewell to one pair of Astronauts, they welcome another as Gemini 7 splashes down after a record-breaking 14 days in space. Both men of the Gemini VII are in fine physical shape, worried only about a shower & a shave. The crew took remarkable motion pictures aloft of their rendezvous in space, the successful meeting that will unlock the doorway to the Moon. In the words of Schirra, There is no doubt that a docking could be accomplished tomorrow."
Residents of west Berlin wait through a wet and long night for the hated wall of shame to be opened to West Berlin. Only during the holiday season does the Communist authorities allow border crossings and its a major event. Babies who have never been seen by their relatives are among those who make the pilgrimage. Opening the borders at Christmas is not an entirely act of good-will, on the part of the Communist authorities. They exact fees for permits and a few well placed marks cuts much of the red tape. Few West-Berliners don't hesitate to pay this tribute when they can visit mothers, fathers and others languishing behind the Iron Curtain. TLS/MSs people standing in line with umbrellas, night. Nice TLS several Volkswagen Beetles traveling along wet cobblestone road, night, glare on pavement from headlights. TLSs cars passing through gate, security guard wearing rain poncho waving them through. TLS/MSs people walking, standing in line while passing border on rainy night; nice shot boy with baby stroller (pram, carriage). TLS pilgrims walking along street, rainy day. Rear view TLS people walking, passing sign that reads, "You Are Now Leaving British Sector." Rear view TLS people walking, passing sign that reads, "You are now leaving the American sector." TLS/MSs people crossing border, passing metal obstacles designed to rip the bottoms & treads of any vehicles dumb enough to try & crash the border.
Europe has been plagued with storms through most of autumn & now floods have compounded the misery. In England & Holland they are hit by the worst inundations since 1953. In the Netherlands many dikes have been breached. LS/TLSs - Flooded areas, trees poking through floodwaters. Rear view TLS- Men pushing boat along flooded street. MS - White man carrying cute spaniel-like dog through flooded street. LS - Flooded rugby field, goalposts breaking water. LS - Flooded Ansell s Pub; TLS - Flooded bar. MS - Flooded room, water partially covering fireplace. LS - Swirling floodwaters. TLSs - Flooded houses, fields. TLS/MSs - Men in boat measuring depth of floodwaters.
(19:35:10) Mr. Altman, I know you fairly well and I heard your opening re- marks where you said I've been convicted and sentenced. I want you to know that I don't believe that's the case, at least not from this Senator's standpoint. As a matter of fact, on two different occa- sions in press interviews, one rather major one, I said, Roger Alt. man deserves an opportunity to come and speak to us and tell us his side. Now, Mr. Altman, you've done that and I've got to tell you that I'm searching my mind for some excuses for you. Maybe you bad too much to do. Maybe those two hats were too big. Maybe those two hats plus trying to manage Health Care and go to all those meetings was too much for someone even as competent as you. But I'm going to tell you today that I don't believe you did a' very good job on this. I don't think your short time as acting head of the RTC bodes very well for you in terms of your past performance in Government. I think it's much, much less than normally one ex- pects from you. Now having said that, I want to tell you that there are at least 3 things that bother me very much. Senator DAmato went to great ends to ask his questions to you on that important date when you appeared before our Committee and I could refer to his questions, but I'm going to refer to my own questions. We know tonight about the meeting that took place with Mr. Nussbaum and others from the White House. You went for the Health Care meeting. Where you met with them on February 3. Mr. Altman, I believe that's enough unless you want to claim that your memory totally disappeared, and I don't believe that. I mean you are doing very, very well with meticulous details here. I believe that when I asked you that question, well, I assume we're not arguing there-you are not arguing there that you had-you than one, are you, and your are not suggesting that you had more answer was pretty unequivocal. More than one meeting, correct, and the answer was no. Now, frankly, I don't know that I'm going to give you a lot of time to answer that one, but I just want to tell you that I believe that's very, very close to not telling us the whole truth that day. You may categorize it as something different, and again I'm trying desperately to say, well, maybe Mr. Altman was too busy, maybe he had too much on his plate, But then, Mr. Altman, I understand that literally more than a score of people helped you get ready for that meeting. 481 And it wasn't I day for that hearing. It was over a period of 4 or 5 days, and frankly, I don't believe it's possible. I mean I don't believe you should expect me to believe that you just plumb forgot about the second meeting and I want to tell you precisely why. Because I believe that the other part that you have not yet convinced me of at all is that you had not already made up your mind before you went to the February 2 meeting with the host of White House people headed by Mr. Nussbaum. You have not convinced me at all that you bad not already made up your mind to recuse yourself then and there. The reason I think you should have remembered the next day was because the next day you were going to tell them you agree with them, that even though you went to the previous meeting on the 2nd clearly to re-recuse yourself, you went to the next meeting the very next day with some of the very same people. You said, OK, in my opinion, my humble opinion, using my words, you said, OK I'll go along with you. Now those are pretty, pretty significant situations from my standpoint about the way you were running things. Now, Mr. Altman, you continue to say you didn't affect any decisions; after all, you had told everybody that you weren't even going to make the decision. Now, I almost said Roger, but I'm going to say Mr. Altman, because normally when we're great buddies and shaking hands I call you Roger, but I'm not your buddy right now, I'll tell you. Mr. ALTMAN. I can tell, Senator DOMENICI. You got it. The truth of the matter is--the truth of the matter is that you keep saying you didn't make any decisions of any consequence. Did it ever dawn on you that some people in the White House, including your very good friends in the White House, may not have understood that and wanted you to stay where you were? Frankly, I see that as the absolute situation Mr. ALTMAN. Well, Senator d
Mayor Willy Brandt honors Specialist Fourth Class Hans Puhl who risked his life under gunfire at the Berlin Wall to rescue a fleeing refugee.The East Berlin guards opened fire at the refugee and the United States soldier fired tear gas, threw a rope and helped cut the barbed wire and pull Michael Meyer to safety. The refugee is recovering after suffering five gunshot wounds. West Berlin's mayor Willy Brandt and an American GI receiving an award and shaking hands. Foreign press. Specialist Fourth Class Hans Puhl shaking hands with Mayor Willy Brandt. The barbed wire that is strung along the top of the Berlin Wall. Michael Meyer laying in a hospital bed wounded by gun fire. Berlin Wall and the post with strung barbed wire. A small crowd of people standing where the incident took place and then the camera pans to bullet holes in a window and gauges from the bullets left in the streets. A kitchen clock that was shattered by gun fire. A piece of clothing that is left hanging on the barbed wire fence.
Fog-shrouded Berlin is a bright place as the Wall of Shame is opened for visits from both the West and the East. Thousands wait at the barrier in West Berlin, the vanguard of 120,000 who visit in East Berlin in four days. Meanwhile, the East German Communists have allowed the elderly and the ill to visit in West Germany. Significantly, no able-bodied workers were allowed to visit in the Free World - The Reds can't afford to have them defect. Fog shrouded Berlin appearing extremely ominous. A crowd of people some with their children waiting for the gates to be open to West Germany. In the darkness of the early morning with fog hanging over the city the crowd moves towards the open gates. The crowd of East Germans walking in West Germany to visit family and friends. Throngs waiting on train station platform, train makes a stop. Adults hugging their parents, sisters with their arms around each other. Mother pushing a child in a stroller and another little girl by her side. Older married couple walking, husband needs the aide of a cane and the wife is carrying a suit case. Boarded up buildings.
Thirty years ago a rising young politician and Claudia Alta Taylor were married in Texas. Today, that happy event is celebrated in the White House and the President and the First Lady recall those days of whirlwind courtship and marriage. Later, Mrs. Johnson helps inaugurate the annual Christmas seal drive which hopes to raise $27,000,000 to fight all respiratory diseases.
The return of the Conquering Heroes! There's a crowd at the Houston airport and of course their families - to meet and greet Astronauts James McDivitt and Spacewalker Ed White. It's a warm reunion that must send the two men orbiting once more. Following a brief meeting with their families the astronauts have a press conference on the flight of Gemini-4 and meet with President Lyndon Johnson who nominates them both for promotion to Lt. Colonel. MS - The plane that is carrying the astronauts James McDivitt and Spacewalker Ed White is taxing on the tarmac with the warm wishes of the people standing around for hours to greet them and welcome them home. CUS - Three Oriental children holding up a sign welcoming their hero's home. MS - Astronaut McDivitt's wife and children running up to greet their dad. MS - McDivitt hugs his wife and children and in the same shot Astronaut Ed White embraces his children and his wife walks into the reunion shortly, hugging each other. MS - James McDivitt and his family. children, wife, and his parents. Astronaut Ed White and his family, children, wife and his parents. MS - News photo journalists. MS - The Astronauts walking away from the crowd and their on their way to the space center. MS - At the Space Center, Astronauts McDivitt and White sit at a table on a raided platform. Question - Major White in relation to your walk in space would it been helpful to you to have a longer tether and from your experience do you think that man have any trouble working for longer periods of time? Major White - I think that's a good question. Yes, I would of liked to have a longer tether but more that that I would of like to have 10 times the supply of propellant for my maneuvering gun. And yes man I think that yes man will maneuver in space. I think quite a bit. I think what we really demonstrated is that man can go from point A to point B with some kind of aid such as a maneuvering unit that we had. People ask me if I feel exhilarated and I felt very thankful to been able to take part in this part and to represent the people up there. I don't know how to put it to you but I didn't feel any feeling of fear. I felt well trained for it. I felt completely natural out there. There are three things that I took along. I took a St. Christopher Medal, a Gold Cross and a Star of David. I took these things to express a little bit of great faith that I had. I had a great faith in the people, and the equipment that we were using for the mission. I had a great faith in myself and especially in Jim. And also a great faith in my own God. The reason I took these things is because I think this is the most important thing I had going for me on the flight. I thought that I couldn't take one for every religion there is in the country but the three that I had are the ones that I am most familiar with. Later President Johnson comes to the Space Center, with throngs in attendance. President Johnson will all his congratulation 's and take a lesions from Major White in the Space Maneuvering Gun. President Johnson has a surprise for Major McDivitt and White. He nominated them both for promotion to Lieutenant Colonels a tribute from the nation to the men who pushed back the frontiers of space.
Saint Paul's Cathedral in the scene of ceremonies that mark the 750th Anniversary of the Magna Carta. The Queen leads a distinguished gathering who hail the signing of the document by King John in 1215. The Magna Carta is the basis for all the liberties that free men enjoy today. London Exterior of St. Paul's Cathedral with many people standing on the steps. MS - The crowd, some of the men are sporting top hats. CU - People queue in line entering the Cathedral. MS - Army officer on his steed controlling the crowd. MS - Prime Minister Harold Wilson going up the stairs to the Cathedral. MS - Century old guardian precede the Queen going into the Cathedral. MS - Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip. High Angle Shot - Interior of the Cathedral and people are seated in their pews. High Angle Shot - A procession carries the Magna Carta document to the alter.
It's time to visit the Zoo. This European display has a surprise for visitors. A bouncing baby boy tat is proudly displayed by it s mother, all 150 pounds of it. A baby elephant that wins the hearts of all. Germany Throngs are at the zoo in the springtime. High Angle Shot - Two bears. CU - People watching a animal. CU - Lions in their cage. CU - A pelican flapping its wings. MS - Crowd of people standing behind a high fence looking at a mother and baby elephant. CU - A father holding his baby girl up where's she's looking over the fence. CU - Baby elephant all cute and fuzzy. CU - Baby elephant walking against his mother's trunk.
The "Heavenly Twins" Colonels Ed White and Jim McDivitt, are guest at the White House as they receive the Exceptional Service Medals of the Space Agency. President Johnson invites the families of the astronauts to spend the night at the White House. Throngs attend a simple ceremony in the White House, Rose Garden. President Johnson, Lady Bird, Lieutenant Colonel James McDivitt and Ed White, their families and Hubert Humphrey. CU - President Johnson pinning The Exceptional Medal of the Space Agency on the lapel of Colonel Ed White. CU - President Johnson giving Ed White a framed certificate. CU - President Johnson awarding the Gemini Manager, Charles W. Matthews also receiving the service medal and the people in the background are applauding. MS - Colonel McDivitt's little boy, Mike shaking hands with the President and receiving a present, his sister Ann McDivitt and finely Patrick McDivitt. MS - Colonel White's little girl, Bonnie White and President Johnson shaking her hand and giving her a medal followed by her brother - Edward who also shakes hands with President Johnson.
(19:40:24) Senator DOMENICI. Let me finish that thought. You can answer this one. I believe you were expected to stay there for some very special reason, and the notion in your mind that you weren't going to do anything seemed to me to be rather irrelevant to the people that were kind of depending on you to stay there, and you can answer that in a minute. Let me tell you the last one. It is incredible to me that you come before us tonight and say that this recusal had nothing to do with Madison. I mean, that is so inconceivable when everybody is saying ,.the whole idea of recusal had to do with Whitewater and Madison. And you're coming before us and saying it bad nothing to do with It me on that one, I'll give you 8 quotes from people Now if you pus that are your pod friends who Say that's what it was all about. You can start with that one if you'd like, but I must tell you that I just don't believe that you ought to come before us and as if you 'really have never, never with reference to RTC done anything that Is More than poor judgment. I believe you intentionally stayed on for some reason. Now with that, perhaps you can talk a little bit and then I have Couple of questions for you. Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, I think it's largely a factual matter if not outright factual matter that I never played any role of any kind 482 on an investigation or any case at any time. I think the RTC people who have come before you, Mr. Ryan, Ms. Kulka, and others who testified right here under oath have said that. Senator DOMENICI. Did you get my point? Why do you deny that people in the White House wanted you to stay on this job? Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, as you know, I've said it before today. Lees look at what I did. Senator DOMENICI. No, I'm asking you a question. Do you deny that people in high places in the White House wanted you to stay on in this acting job? Do you deny that? Mr. ALTMAN. I can't speak for what they were thinking, Senator. I told them on February 2, not once but twice, that I wouldn't be making any of these decisions. I was unequivocal. Isn't that what you would have wanted me to do? Senator DOMENICI. Listen, Mr. Altman, I'm not good at going through these depositions, and all, I leave that to my good friend the trial lawyer over there from Alabama. When I was about 30 years old, I tried a lot of cases, but I forgot about all that crossexamination stuff, but I can guarantee you that the record is replete with your peers saying clearly that they wanted you to stay on, and then the record's replete that you changed your mind and stayed on. Now, frankly Mr. ALTMAN. Senator. Senator DOMENICI. It is replete. Mr. ALTMAN. Did any of that have an ounce of impact on the Madison Guaranty case? Senator DOMENICI. I understand that that's what Mr. ALTMAN. That is the salient point, Senator. Senator DOMENICI. That's the salient point as you see it, Mr. Altman, but you are here because we are pondering where the truth lies in terms of what you people have been saying. Now this business of no foul, no harm or no harm, no foul just doesn't sell with me. That's your theory. No foul, no harm, no foul, but I submit you should have gotten out of that much earlier than you did, if you ever should have taken the job. Mr. ALTMAN. Well, first of all, as to recusal, I agree with you. I started thinking about it around the end of January, or the 1st of February. I have recused myself on February 25, roughly 3 weeks later, I should have done it right off the bat. But I do think the most important thing is that I played no role and explicitly affirmed to the RTC people that I was to play no role in this matter. I took the step of saying to Ellen Kulka, more than once and there were people there when I did it, I'm not going to be making any decisions on this case. You're going to be making them. That was the way we always did it, but I affirmed it in this case. And then I went to the White House and said I'm not going to be making any decisions on this case, Ellen Kulka is going to be making them, and they all understood that and Mr. Steiner's diary, and I have mixed reactions to that, but Mr. Steiner's diary says ever one understood at the end of the meeting that he wouldn't be making any decisions on the case. Senator DOMENICI. Let me ask you so I won't have to go through these, but if you like, I will. Are you willing to admit to this Com mittee that de recusal was all about Whitewater and Madison? 483 Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, the statement I made earlier was that recusal had nothing to do with the RTC's investigation of Madison Guaranty. It had nothing to do with the investigation and I believe that to be true, I firmly believe that. Senator DOMENICI. Did it not have everything to do with people in the White House wanting you to stay on because of Whitewater? Mr. ALTMAN. Senator Senator DOMENICI. Can you answer that question? Mr. ALTMAN. I can't speak to what was in their minds. I've, obviously, read the transcripts of their testimony , and we've all read those. What I had to concern myself with, what is the right thing to do with this investigation in the case, and the right thing to do was to play no role in it, to be sure I played no role at all, and as you know, I did not. Senator DOMENICI. Now, Mr. Altman, are you willing now to admit to us that, as a matter of fact, you bad made up your mind before you went to that meeting at the White House with 6 or 7 people headed by Counselor Nussbaum?