It's a cool 48 degrees in Norfolk, Virginia, but the Queen of the Azalea Festival warms things up with her radiant smile. The Queen is Luci Baines Johnson and her father (The President) does the crowning. Then a kiss for the Queen from her most loyal subject, the President! A large float coming towards the camera. Sitting on top of the float is Luci Baines Johnson. Children waving at Luci Baines Johnson. Secret Service helping down the young Luci Baines Johnson off the float. Throngs are crowded to into the amphitheater. The President and Mrs. Johnson. All the young ladies and their military escorts awaiting the crowning of the Azalea Queen. Luci Baines Johnson with a big smile on her face. President Johnson placing the crown on his daughters head declaring she is the new Azalea Queen. Luci giving her father a kiss on the cheek.
(19:25:30) I agree with her on the essence of the conversation. I just believe I called Mr. Ickes and she believes I called her. People's recollections can differ. There'snothing unusual about that. Yes, there was the discussion, Senator GRAMM. You didn't recall this at all when you testified on February 24. You didn't recall this meeting at all. The CHAIRMAN. I think we can't continue the exchange here and stay within our time periods and we had another opportunity to do this but you've had a chance to put your statement on the record. Senator Kerry. Senator KERRY. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Let me review in my own mind maybe by way of helping myself if I think out loud a little bit. I think folks might be wondering Core we're going and where we are. I think we're reduced to a couple of questions here in front of the Committee. What's important is not only what we're trying to find out at this point about these two areas of concern, but also what we've already found out. Specifically, many of the earlier allegations and assumptions about Whitewater and the White House in this effort are not being borne out by the evidence. There's no evidence whatsoever by anybody in any statement that we're now referring to that the President of the United States or Mrs. Clinton somehow tried to affect the outcome of this investigation. In fact, to the contrary, the only evidence in front of us is from Ms. Kulka and Mr. Ryan that the investigation intensified. We know that the President, in fact, signed a statute of limitations, against his own interest, to continue the investigation. We know that there is no evidence whatsoever of the White House specifically interfering with the investigation. We're really reduced to two issues in front of this Committee, fundamentally two issues. One is Mr. Altman's testimony and the question of whether or not we find there was reason to believe the testimony wasn't accurate. And no. 2, 1 think this is a very impor- tant area whether-the whole recusal issues, the contacts with the White House. What was the impact of those contacts in the White House? We know that they didn't affect the investigation per se. Some try to allege that because the private attorney, Mr. Kendall, had knowledge and could give it to the President. But because the President signed the statute of limitations, whatever knowledge he had was rendered totally moot. The knowledge, if any, didn't affect it, so again we come back, no impact on the investigation. 456 So the issue is really was there an intent? Was there in the lack of recusal, was there in the meetings, was there in this back-and-forth something improper, notwithstanding the findings of the Committee of the various investigations on ethics, et cetera? I want to try to explore those two areas, which I think are the center of focus and concern and which are considerably different from what many had alleged, I might add. Now, let me just try to clarify this, if I can, Mr. Secretary'. Did you task, or did you ask, or did you instruct, or give any form of order or direction. to Ms. Hanson with respect to contacts with the White House? Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, I do not recall asking Ms. Hanson to go to the White House in connection with the September meeting. Senator KERRY. To call the White House, to telephone the White House, to inform the White House. Mr. ALTMAN. Is your question in relation to Madison Guaranty or any other Senator KERRY. With respect to any aspect of the Rose Law Firm, Madison Guaranty or Whitewater. Mr. ALTMAN. I don't believe so, but if we can agree Whitewater is a land deal in Arkansas. I don't know anything about that and I don't think Ms. Hanson does either. So the issue here I think is Madison Guaranty, and I believe the answer is I don't think so. I don't think I did. Senator KERRY. Let me ask you, if you could take a look-could we have the Roelle deposition delivered to the witness? I'd ask you to take a look at this deposition, page 65, where Mr. Roelle is testi- fying that he was having a meeting with you on October 6, and this is a sworn deposition under oath to the Committee, and he says: "It was just me and Mr. Altman, and he called Ms. Hanson on the phone." He also says, "To the best of your memory who said what to whom during this conversation. I just told him about it and he said OK and he called Ms. Hanson and told her about it."
The Boston Celtics get off to a bouncy start as they get going against the Los Angeles Lakers for the National Basketball Crown. The Celtics need this game for their seventh straight title and they take the title easily, scoring 42 points in the last period for a record. The Celtics give Boston something to brag about. Never mind those famous Baked Beans. Sam Jones bouncing the ball down court, stops, and makes a basket. Fans applauding. MS - Sam Jones, No. #24 is passed the ball again, and he makes another basket. High-Angle Shot - Casey Jones, No. # 25 is passed the ball, and he makes a basket. High-Angle Shot - The Lakers get the ball and they score a basket. High-Angle Shot - Tom Sanders, No. #16 does a little razzle dazzle and makes a basket for the Celtics. High-Angle Shot - Boston Celtics break loose and they score 42 points. MS - Sam Jones takes the ball and lets it go with a hoop.
A three-man junta has been named to rule the Dominican Republic as United States Marines move in to protect American lives. President Johnson ordered the landing as shooting continued in Santo Domingo despite the obvious collapse of the attempt to return ousted President Juan Bosch to power. The Marines liquidated two snipers who attacked the United States Embassy, in S.D. A lot of Marine Officers walking. MS - US Marine helicopters sitting on a tarmac. MS - US Marines running to board the helicopters and they will be on their way to the Dominican Republic. MS - Helicopter taking off and Marine soldiers queuing up to embark the remaining helicopters. LS - Marines standing in an open field in the Dominican Republic.
In the first public test of a $5,000,000 vertical takeoff plane, "disaster" rides as the co-pilot. Lou Everett is killed as his experimental craft crashes during the demonstration. Edwards Air Force Base, Northern California A new Army test plane parked by the air plane hanger, state officials examining the plane. The test plane is taking off like a helicopter, straight up. The plane going through its paces, looking like a formidable jet fighter. As the jet passes Edwards Air Force Base the plane is rocking. You see nothing but black smoke rising from the desert floor as a crowd of men stand motionless. The pilot, Lou Everett plane plummeted to the ground killing him instantly. Wreckage of the plane strewn all over the desert floor, it had to be a very hard hit, because the pieces of the plane are very small and unrecognizable.
Canadians have opened what must be the most unusual aquarium in the world. Located at Oak Bay, British Columbia, the exhibit maintains its own fleet of boats. Spectators enter an underwater viewing room and see the fish swimming in their natural element, outside in the sea, kept on the range with netting. In the waters of Oak Bay, British Columbia the fishermen on this boat are looking for interesting specimens of fish and other aquatic animals. MS - The net is pulled up on to the boat and they have netted a lot of fish, one is a baby octopus that is held in the hand of the aquatic researcher. Scuba diver going into the water off a boat. He comes across a full grown Octopus and so does his partner. The Oak Bay aquarium is not ordernary, the windows look out into the open sea and the fish that swim by sometimes look in to the window looking back at the people. A dark fish looks into the window at a little boy who is lookin back at him. CU An Octopus CU A Hermit Crab. CU A Grunt Sculpin Fish. ECU A Rat Fish. - A seal having some fun with the people by the window.
What began as a revolution by followers of exiled Dominican President Juan Bosch quickly deteriorated into outright anarchy when leadership was taken over by Communist agents. President Johnson ordered Marines into the country to protect Americans and others. Most of the 3,000 Americans were evacuated quickly and effectively. Within a week, the initial force of United States Marines were bolstered to 14,000 men, including paratroopers. In getting the job done, the Marines push the rebels from their strongholds in downtown Santo Domingo. Dominican Republic The street's of Santo Domingo, people are walking rather loosely holding signs and protesting. MS - Soldiers closing a gate. Washington DC President Johnson standing at a podium, "The American Nation cannot, must not, and will not permit the establishment of another Communist government in the Western Hemisphere. We know that many who are now in revolt do not seek a Communist tyrrany. We think its tragic indeed that their high motives have been misused by a small band of conspirators who receive their directions from abroad. To those who fight only for liberty and justice and progress, I want to join the Organization of American States in saying, in appealing to you tonight to lay down your arms and to assure you there is nothing to fear." Dominican Republic PT boat 89 evacuating Americans and other citizens who need asylum. CU - Women, men and children. Mother holding her toddler child and stroking her head. US Marines running on the shores of the Dominican Republic. Two Marines on the roof top and one Marine climbing the building. US Marines taking cover in a ditch, they are armed with automatic rifles. A US Marine running with a bazooka. Huge Communist tanks making their way down the streets of Santo Domingo. Communist soldier on top of a tank holding a rifle. Smaller tanks following the larger tank.
There are ways to beat the mean malady - aching feet - while visiting New York's World's Fair....view it from the air! You've a choice, helicopter go aloft on the monorail for a bird's eye view. The "In" experts say this is the speed transportation of the future, but here the tempo is leisurely so that you can get an eye-full. Come To The Fair. POV - From the monorail looking down at the World's Fair grounds. Looking up - The monorail. Boy scouts embarking on to the monorail. The operating board panel for the monorail, looks like a teenager operating the monorail. People walking over a bridge looking down at an expressway. Teenage boy scouts pointing down at 'World Beneath the Sea' pavilion. POV - From the monorail at the amusement park and its many rides. The Merry-Go-Round or Carrousel. Shooting logs.
A South Vietnamese attack on a Red Vietcong stronghold south of Saigon results in a rich prize, a great cache of arms - the largest ever uncovered, following a battle. An international Control Commission inspects the weapons. Some of the most modern Communist weapons yet captured. Aerial shot of a Communist strong hold south of Saigon. Helicopter coming in for a landing, military personal. Rear shot of a solider with a riffle slung over his shoulder. Soldiers carrying out a cash of arms out of the jungle. The confiscated weapons boxed up in wooden crates. Military officers looking over the confiscated weapons identifying where they came from, some were American made. Hand grenades with Peking markings - Military taking down the serial numbers and other markings on the weapons.
(19:30:37) Now, when you say 'about it,' what did you tell him about? I told him it looked like the criminal referrals were going to become public because one of our investigators had sent an E-mail saying Sue Schmidt was in Little Rock asking a lot of questions about the criminal referral. Question: Did Ms. Hanson add anything to the conversation? Answer: Not that I recall. Then you jump down a little bit. Question: At the conclusion of the conversation, was it discussed as to what should be done? Answer: By Mr. Roelle, yes, Question: About the information you had given to Mr, Altman? Answer: Yes. He told her to call a whole bunch of people. 1-7 Question: Do you recall who he, Mr. Altman, "told-her," Ms. Hanson, "to call"? Answer: Yeah. He said call Jack, Bernie, the Secretary. He named about 10 names, first names, most of whom I don't know and, obviously, the secretary, I assume was the Secretary of Treasury, but he rattled off a bunch of names for her to call and that was the end of the conversation. He then says he understood Let me read later on page 67. Question: How much later did it occur to you that's who Bernie may be-and the name Bernie, did you understand that to be Bernie Nussbaum? Answer: Not at the time. Later it occurred to me. 457 Question: How much later did it occur to you? Answer: I don't know; probably 3 or 4 days later. I was at home and I saw Bernie Nussbaum on television about some different subject all together and I looked over at ray wife and I said jeez, I hope Mr.-I hope when Altman said Bernie, it wasn't this Bernie. And that was the end of it. That was Mr. Roelle's testimony under oath, that you directed Ms. Hanson to call the White House on October 6. Do you remember that? Mr. ALTMAN. No, Senator I don't remember that. Senator KERRY. No memory of that? Mr. ALTMAN. I think it is clear that that is an awfully brief conversation; it occurred 5 or 6 months before I testified here on February 24. 1 don't recall it. Senator KERRY. Do you recall it now? Does this refresh your recollection? Mr. ALTMAN. No, sir, it doesn't. Senator KERRY. It doesn't refresh our recollection Mr. ALTMAN. No, sir. I don't recall having that conversation. Senator KERRY. You have no memory of him telling you that the criminal referrals were about to bit? Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, as I think I testified earlier, that sometime in the fall, Mr. Roelle or Ms. Hanson advised me of an impending press leak so at some point Mr. Roelle did advise me of that, I believe. It might have been Ms. Hanson but I think Senator KERRY. I want to get to this. You just have no memory of it. I really want to try to establish it because the Committee is obviously going to have to sit down and we're ping to balance between that. I want to be sure you're given an adequate opportunity to refresh your recollection or simply find that you don't have one. I don't know. Mr. ALTMAN. First of all, Mr. Roelle did advise me, at some point in the fall, that the criminal referrals were in the works. We had the conversation, which I related, in terns of how to handle the case at arm's length, impartial, at the regional office, and so on. I don't happen to recall this conversation. I'm doing my best to plumb my memory. Senator KERRY. Can I ask you this: Is it really believable for this Committee? We've all been around this place a little bit. So have you. It's very bard to believe that the Counsel to the Treasury is going to wind up at the White House at a meeting to discuss anything at all without you, or the Secretary, or somebody directing her to go. Mr. ALTMAN. Senator Kerry, this conversation occurred in October, I believe; is that right? Ms. Hanson had two meetings at the White House, I think, September and October. I was asked a lot of questions about the September meeting, and as I said, I don't recall asking her to do that, and I think I would have remembered if I had. Nobody has suggested that the October meeting occurred at my direction. No one has suggested that. Senator KERRY. I'm not suggesting it I'm merely asking you- In that is not my implication here but, the key, there's a really central Issue here about a young attorney working as counsel who says she was sent over there. Mr. Roelle, who says you directed her to call. Another person who says they remember-Maggie Williams, and YOU have no memory of any of these 3 contacts. 458 Mr. ALTMAN. No, that's not true, Senator The only difference I have with Senator Gramm is not whether the conversation oc- curred. The conversation lie asked me about did occur. It absolutely did occur. l. I just happen to think I had it with Mr. Ickes and I called Mr. Ickes, and Ms. Williams thinks I had it with her. But there's no dispute about the essence of it, I agree. Here I already said I had a conversation with Mr. Roelle about the criminal referral I don't happen to recall this brief conversation. Senator KERRY. I want to come back to this later in the time,, sort of feeds us problems here, but I will come back to it.
The sun shined bright on the classic horse race of them all. the Kentucky Derby. This year, the 91st running, was given an added (?) attraction when fire breaks out in the grandstand. The fire is quickly extinguished and the eleven starters get away in the Run for the Roses. "Lucky Debonair" gets away among the leaders, goes to the front in the last turn and just about hangs on to beat the oncoming "Dapper Dan". Nest, The Preakness, for this Kentucky-bred horse. Inside Churchill Downs Race Track. CU - Racing fans. A fire in the grand stands. High-Angle Shot - Outside the race track fire engines careening down a side street. Smoke pouring out of the grand stand. Throngs crowded into the center of the horse racing track. Racing fans, lady looking through binoculars. Horses lined up at the racing gate, the horses break fast out of the gate. Willy Shoemaker riding NO 8 horse, 'Lucky Debonair' and he is in the lead. Lady wearing a large brim hat looking through binoculars. Horses spinning around the bend into the final stretch and Lucky Debonair is still in the lead. She Bang and Lucky Debonair are running neck and neck, Willie Shoemaker rides Lucky Debonair over the finish line and wins by a neck. Willie Shoemaker in the Winners Circle with Lucky Debonair.
When jalopy jockeys gather at Hendnesford Hills Raceway in Britain, anything can happen & it usually does. These are stock cars. The only resemblance to the family auto is a dented fender or two as they race a Figure Eight course with a crash, bang, boom! Panning TLS start of race, judge waving starting flag, junky stock cars passing cam. Panning TLS banged-up cars taking turns, crossing paths, causing some minor accidents-- note that drivers are on the right side of the cars. This is more or less the English version of demolition derby, only with more competition.
Top event in Harness Racing, The Hambletonian, has 11 horses trotting after the rich prize in DuQuoin, Illinois. For the 4th time in the 40-year history of the race it takes four heats to decide the winner. Egyptian Candor wins his 3rd race of the year, worth $60,000. TLS sign: "Welcome to Du Quoin, Home of the Hambletonian." TLS crowd standing, watching from covered spectator stands. Panning TLS harness race. MS white girl jumping excitedly in crowd. Panning TLS/LSs - Egyptian Candor, Armbreau Flight & Short Stop (horses) competing in final heat. MSs - Egyptian Candor & jockey passing cam after race. TLS winners in Victory Circle.
(19:35:36) Mr. ALTMAN. Senator Kerry, if I could suggest and you may not agree with me, but I think the salient points here are nothing unethical occurred. We've had an independent report from the Mee of Government Ethics, nothing to do with the Clinton Administration, happens to be headed by a gentleman who was, appointed by President Bush, who's looked into every aspect of this. Nothing unethical occurred. Senator KERRY. Well, let me say, I've always had great respect for you and I'm not here to do anything except try to find out what happened. I want to know. I haven't made a judgment. You haven't been tried and found guilty as far as I'm concerned and, I think, most of my colleagues. But I don't agree that it is simply a question of whether or not those findings by the ethics officers are all there is to it. I do agree, in your defense, that they have legitimately determined no laws or ethics standards were violated. I think, unfortunately, theirs is almost exclusively a legal standard. And we're really talking about a standard that goes beyond just the letter of the law, if you will. We're trying to question judgment here. I mean, Mr. Cutler, in his wisdom and eloquence, has suggested bad judgment was, indeed, exercised to a certain degree. I'm trying to understand whether or not-I see my time is up. I never even got to the second area I want to get to, which is critical to this question of judgment, but it seems to me that there is a legitimate question here as to whether the judgment was right. You said in your opening, last question, you've made mistakes and perhaps there was some bad judgment. Could you tell the Committee what you deem to be either the mistakes that you were referring to or the bad judgment that you would say was exercised? Mr. ALTMAN. Let me step back, if I can, a moment. I'm not an ethics expert, but I don't quite agree with our characterization. Recently for obvious reasons, I have look through the ethical codes. Again, I haven't read every word of them or anything like that, but I think they set a very high standard. I think a conclusion from the Office of Government Ethics that there's been no ethical violation, is actually a very high bar that was crossed, not a low bar. This isn't the issue of legalities, this is the issue of ethics. As I read through the ethical codes they struck me as quite strict. I think it's quite something that the Office of Government Ethics concluded there was no ethical violation. After all, we have a situation here where nothing illegal was done, nothing unethical was done. Now, as to judgments, in retrospect, I think the February 2 meeting shouldn't have happened, and it should have been-that 459 information should have been communicated in writing. So that wasn't a great judgment. When I look back on my February 24 testimony, I wish I bad interpreted the questions a little bit differently than I did and then I would have given better answers. There was no intent to conceal the information. But I wish I had testified and put forth some additional information here because then people wouldn't think that perhaps I did intend to withhold it, but I didn't. So sure, there was some mistakes of that type and I could go on. There were other mistakes, but there was nothing unethical and nothing illegal. The CHAIRMAN. Let me say-excuse me. I'm sorry, Mr. Altman. Mr. ALTMAN. Well, I think we're all human, we all make mistakes. These sure aren't the first ones I've made, and I'm afraid they won't be the last ones. Senator KERRY. We absolutely do. I want to follow up with this a little later and I think it's very important to try to draw the record out on this. The CHAIRMAN. We will do so, Senator Kerry. I think you are raising a very important line of inquiry and the second issue you wanted to raise, we will make sure is raised. Senator Bennett. Senator BENNETT. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Altman, you testified that you called Mr. Ickes on what date? Mr. ALTMAN. I believe it was February 3 or it might have been February 4, a day or two after the meeting. Senator BENNETT. A day or two after the February 2 meeting. Senator Gramm's indication was that you talked to Maggie Williams, you said and you called Mr. Ickes and the testimony was you were trying to set up a meeting in the White House; is that correct? Mr. ALTMAN. I called Mr. Ickes to say that I'd like to have a brief conversation with him. He and I were on our way, or were going to be later that day, to the same meeting, which I think was a Health Care meeting, but I'm not certain and I wanted to talk to him a moment or two before the meeting, and we did. Senator BENNETT. And you have no way of knowing how Maggie Williams got it in your bead that you were talking to her?
Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip head 100,000 fans at Wembley for the Cup Final, the biggest day on the English sporting scene. The game proves to be a cliff-hanger right from the opening whistle. No one scores during the regular time, but in overtime Liverpool manages two goals to defeat Leeds who can score but a single goal. Liverpool v Leeds Wembley Sports Stadium. Aerial - Throngs. CU - Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip. High Angle Shot - Soccer players in the mist of a soccer play. High Angle Shot - One of the players, No. #7 kicks the soccer ball and it is picked up by Roger Hunt and kicks it in the goal, tying up the game. LS - Fans from Liverpool jumping up and down with excitement. High Wide Angle Long - Players on the field and the stadium packed with fans. MS - Billy Reiner kicks a field goal and that ties up the game. High Angle Shot - People jumping up and down, pretty much in unison. MS - Another goal is scored and it is all over, Liverpool wins. MS - Queen Elizabeth presents the trophy to the Liverpool team's Captain.
El Salvador, Central American nation with a long history of disastrous earthquakes is hard hit again. This tremor centers around San Marcos and Santo Tomas, near the capital of San Salvador. Over 100 dead - more than 700 injured. A small crowd of people walking in total disbelief looking at the aftermath of a disastrous earthquake. Camera panning - People who gathered up their belongings after digging through the rubble left behind after the earthquake. Some lumber and ladders propped up against a wall of a building, by the looks of the building its going to fall at any time. MS - United States cargo plane taking off from a runway. Plane is getting unloaded with supplies to meet the needs of the people who survived the earthquake. Crates are unloaded by the military by man power and fork lifts. Two little children a little boy and his baby sister, the little boy is sitting on a pillow and his little sister is laying on his lap sucking her thumb. More children sitting on a blanket that laid out on the ground, the children are sharing food. MS - People who managed to save larger pieces of their furniture, beds and dressers.
The first commercial application of the hovercraft is soon to get underway in San Francisco. The radical craft is to operate across the Bay to Oakland, under government subsidy. Backers of the project are hopeful the low-flying hovercraft have a high-flying future. A good size crowd has gathered at the Bay to view the new Hydrofoil / Hovercraft. The Hovercraft sitting deflated on the ground by the Bay. A man points and then snaps a picture of the Hovercraft. The Hovercraft quickly inflates and starts to move backwards, kicking up a lot of dust. Inside the Hovercraft a business man is looking out the window. The Hovercraft in movement just hovering over the water in the bay. The Hovercraft displays how it can turn sharply in a small area. As the Hovercraft sits and idles the nose dips down into the water, it poses no danger. Operating panel inside the Hovercraft and a man's hand reaching for a switch. The Hovercraft lifts up and its off to the races once again, the pilot of the Hovercraft drives it on to the dry beach area and as it comes to a rest the air depletes and it lowers itself to the ground.
The Afghan hound and his cousin, the greyhound, are top dogs in Germany as the racing season get underway. Radical camera angles reveal the beauty of both breeds as they tear down the track like it was a call-to-dinner. A close up shot of the head of an Afghan Hound then a close up shot of a Greyhound. MS - Four Afghan Hounds are let out of the racing gate and they are running down the track, their ears flapping in the wind. MS - Four Greyhounds are let out of the racing gate and the slick four dogs are running down the track. MS - Side view of the Greyhound running. MS - Trainers holding the dogs on leashes posing for a picture.
Another season underway in Germany the sport of kayak racing as 115 clubs from five nations compete in the curtain-raiser for the European championships. Low water and strong currents make this year's race one of the toughest in its ten-year history. People are on the bridge and along the sides of the river. A two man kayak battling the white water. The two man kayak taking on a turbulent drop on the river. Two men paddling through some gates in the turbulent waters. A single man kayak shoots down a small drop heading for the gates, as he approaches the gate the kayak flips over, being skilled at kayaking he manages to right himself. Kayakers battling the currents and the turbulence of the low water in the river. One of the entries flips over and out of his kayak, he standing in the water only to get knocked down by the rushing water.
President Johnson reaffirms United States policy in South Vietnam in a talk to the Association of American Cartoonists. These social satirists hear the President describe Red China as a hungry tiger ready to devour all of Asia, using North Vietnam as a cat's paw to its own aggressive ends. Washington DC The White House, either late spring or early summer. President Johnson walks into a room filled with cartoonists and steps up to the podium. Newsmen taking down notes. President Johnson, "Their target is not merely South Vietnam, it is Asia. Their objective is not the fulfillment of Viennese nationalist. It is to erode and to discredit America's ability to help prevent Chinese domination over all of Asia. In this domination they shall never succeed and I am continuing and I am increasing the search for every possible path for peace." Vietnam A farm worker walking with two pots or buckets hanging from her shoulders, in one pot she has a basket. Cattle grazing. Wide Angle - Rural village. High Angle - Oxen pulling a wagon driven by a man who lives in the village. River with fishermen in boats. High Angle - Busy street in North Vietnam, busses, cars, people on bikes etc. A church in the middle of this Vietnam town. Washington DC President Johnson speech, "It will be there when peace comes to us and so will we. Not with soldiers and planes, not with bombs and bullets, but with all the wondrous weapons of peace in the twentieth century. And then perhaps together, all of the people in the world, can share that gracious task with all the people of Vietnam. North and South a like."
(19:40:26) Mr. ALTMAN. No, sir, but let me illustrate, Senator Bennett, one of the things that interests me just simply illustrates differing .recollections. You've taken testimony under oath from several participants in the February 2 meeting. Senator BENNETT. No, I don't want to get off on this. Mr. ALTMAN. If I could just say this one point. Some of them say the meeting occurred in Mr. McLarty's office and some of them say the meeting occurred in Mr. Nussbaum's office. Senator BENNETT, But that's different. Mr. ALTMAN. But that's a fairly significant thing, 5 people testifying Senator under oath and they have differing recollections. BENNETT. It's different when somebody says I talked to him and you say no, I didn't talk to her, I talked to somebody else, and somehow she's mistaken. Let me get to the point, however, by taking you to the testimony before this Committee subsequent to that, whichever day it was, 460 and whether you called Maggie Williams or Mr. Ickes to request a meeting. Senator DAMAT0. Did anyone request this meeting? Mr. ALTMAN. I requested the meeting. senator D'AMATO. Was there any other meeting that may have been requested? Mr. ALTMAN. No. Senator D'AMATO. There was no other meeting that you were aware of that the White House Counsel requested? Mr. ALTMAN. No. Senator D'AMATO. Or anyone else from the White House? Mr. ALTMAN. No. Senator D'AMATO. Mr. Ickes? Mr. ALTMAN. I had no subsequent-pause-I received no subsequent request for meetings. You did, indeed, have a subsequent meeting with Mr. Ickes which you requested which you did not disclose to Senator DAmato when he asked you and specifically named Mr. Ickes. Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, I did not receive any subsequent requests for meetings. That's an accurate statement. Senator BENNETT. That's not his question. Mr. ALTMAN. Let me go on then and respond. I thought Senator D'Amato's question related to the question of whether I had been asked by the White House for any additional meetings, and he clarified his observe question. He said, in effect, you mean there weren't any other meetings requested by the White House? That's simply how I took his question and I answered it truthfully. Senator BENNETT. Well, I will leave that as the record stands. Senator Kerry tried to summarize this into two issues. Last night as we were winding down, Senator Dodd summarized it into three, and I found myself agreeing with him in his summary. He says there are really three basic issues here. The first one has to do with the independence of the RTC and whether this was subverted in this Administration. He said, I find that issue troubling, if I'm remembering correctly. Senator correct me if I have my memory wrong. I also find that issue troubling. I find your testimony troubling on this issue because it contra dicts testimony we received from both Mr. Roelle and Mr. Katsanos. Senator Dodd said the next issue is the question of being complete in your testimony before Congress, and the word Senator Dodd used, talking to Ms. Hanson, referring to the total performance of your Department was inexcusable. He said I find this inexcusable. Then be said the third issue has to do with the number of contacts and meetings with the White House, and I find that sloppy. I find my self gravitating toward these three adjectives, troubling on the First issue, inexcusable on the second, and sloppy on the third. As we bear your explanation in all of these three areas, in every case, in order to believe you, we must disbelieve other people who have sworn under oath. Specifically Mr. ALTMAN. Senator Bennett, I don't think that's true. Senator BENNETT. I'm sorry, Mr. Altman. Your version of what happened at the White House is in direct conflict with the version we have from Mr. Steiner and Ms. Hanson. Now,' we learn from Senator Gramm that your testimony is in direct conflict with 461 Maggie Williams. I cannot reconcile your description of what happened with theirs. I can reconcile theirs. Ms. Hanson's version is very easily reconciled with what Mr. Steiner told us you told him about it. Mr. ALTMAN. Senator Bennett, I respectfully Senator DODD. Just for purposes of clarification, since! my definitions are being used, the inexcusable part, if I may-and it's not much of a distinction here--was I found Ms. Hanson's waiting so long to get back, we now know, apparently, with the availability of the full tape to look at, exactly what occurred. The fact that we didn't get a more responsive answer back from her, prior to that time,, was what I found inexcusable, but basically Senator BENNETT. I'll adopt the inexcusable for the whole performance. Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, if I could respond. Senator BENNETT. Yes.
Tinsel, laughter, toys and dreams and fond wishes. It can never happen at any other time of the year. though we know it should be a continuing thing. Christmas around the world would be a tour where the milestones are smiling faces, where the welcome would be spoken in the international tongue of Brotherhood. A Santa Claus in a department store window that rocks back and fourth. Window display of a snowy mountain where boys, girls and little animals are skiing. Window display of a boy and girl dancing, and another boy clapping his hands to the music. Children looking through the window at the holiday displays. Little toddlers looking at Santa come around on a turn table followed by toys. A train from the department store has parents with their children taking a ride through the toy section. Children's faces, children hugging stuffed toys, a animated bull dog toy. A toy city with micro trains buzzing through it, close up of the eyes of a child watching the micro train. Children s faces and the joy of looking and touching the toys. A family picks up a Christmas tree for the holidays. Snow tractor pulling a father and son down a snowy city street. A variety of Christmas decorations. The last minute shopping rush in a down town part of the city, throngs walking around doing their last minute gift buying. Downtown department stores. Christmas window displays. A hand pushing the button to light up the Christmas Tree in downtown New York, Rockefeller Center. Santa Claus skating on the ice rink in Rockefeller Center and he's waving to the people.
It is a day for mourning. A day for tears and a day of remembrance and fond farewell. Final tribute to the man who led the Free World from the threatening doom of slavery to a glorious victory. From Westminster Hall, Sir Winston Churchill is carried to St. Paul's Cathedral with medieval pageantry. 110 nations are represented at the services, including six sovereigns, five heads of state and 16 prime ministers. Queen Elizabeth is the first British monarch to attend the funeral of a commoner. She foregoes many of her queenly privileges to honor Sir Winston. Everyone in the Cathedral joins in singing The American Battle Hymn Of The Republic" as requested by Sir Winston in honor of his American Mother. From St. Paul's the coffin is taken to the river Thames for its last journey to Waterloo Station and burial at Bladen, next to his mother and father. The mists of history will never dim the shining image that was Winston Spencer Churchill - A Most Uncommon Man. London Aerial shot of London, England. Throngs lining the streets standing shoulder to shoulder. British navy marching down the street and on each side of them - the Grenadier Guards. In the center of the military is the casket that now houses Sir Winston Churchill. Exterior shot of St. Paul's Cathedral. President Charles DeGaulle. Queen Juliana of the Netherlands. Queen Mother Elizabeth I (with dark hair). Princess Margaret walking with Lord Snowden. Lord Mayor of London. Queen Elizabeth, Prince Phillip and a Prince Charles (young adult). Queen Elizabeth II, Prince Charles and Prince Phillip walking up the stairs of St. Paul's Cathedral. Military marching down the street with the casket of Sir Winston Churchill. Eight Grenadier Guards carrying the casket up the stairs and into the Cathedral. Winston Churchill's immediate family members. The coffin is carried into the Cathedral down the aisle to a catapult under the great dome. Camera pans as all the people sing the Battle Hymn of the Republic. The Grenadier Guards are carrying the coffin down the aisle and out of the Cathedral. Queen Elizabeth II and her family standing on the steps of the Cathedral with other important Political Personalities. As the launch moves up the river, Sir Winston Churchill gets his final salute from the Tower of London. Military men firing a cannon. As Sir Winston Churchill's funeral cort ge travels down the Themes giant cranes stiff in salute. RAF jets fly over the funeral cortege giving their final farewell. Aerial shot - London, England
(19:45:18) Mr. ALTMAN. I promise you I'll do my best. I believe that the testimony that you have of those who attended the February 2 meeting is fairly consistent, if not very consistent. I believe that it is. Certainly Mr. Cutler's chronology was consistent with my understanding of what happened. And the Office of Government Ethics' chronology is consistent with Senator BENNETT. Mr. Altman Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, you said you had conflicting testimony about the February 2 meeting. Senator BENNETT. Absolutely conflicting stories as to what happened. Mr. ALTMAN. You have conflicting testimony from the participants in the meeting, sir. Senator BENNETT. Yes, and we can take you through Ms. Hanson's testimony if you'd like. I thought this had been gone through a number of times. Mr. ALTMAN. I don't think that my Senator BENNETT. I'd be happy to go through that. Mr. ALTMAN. I don't think my testimony is all that different from hers. Maybe I'm wrong. I didn't watch every moment of her testi- mony. Senator BENNETT. In my opinion, your testimony is significantly different than hers. Perhaps more importantly, it is significantly different from Mr. Steiner's diaries, and you say but Mr. Steiner Wasn't even at the meeting. Correct point. But Mr. Steiner testified here in direct answer to my questions that he got his understanding of what happened at the meetings from you. So Mr. Steiner has )recorded in his diary what he understood went on, and he has testified under oath that he got it from a conversation with you. Let me read you a specific from his diary that he said he could not explain, and I will ask Mr. Altman about this because it came from Mr. Altman, and he said yes, that would be appropriate. Here's what he says. This is dealing with the recusal issue and the on the recusal issue. Of course the fateful White House you've heard about that. The White House told Altman it ,Was unacceptable and so on. Now, he goes on down and he says, "the next day, The New York Times ran a front-page story on the meeting. The heat was on. We 462 spent a tortured day trying to decide if he should recuse himself. I spoke with Podesta to let him know of our deliberations. Very frustrating that he was the chosen point of contact since he clearly was not in the complete confidence of George and Harold. After Howell Raines from The New York Times called to say they were going to write a brutal editorial, Roger Altman decided to recuse himself "Harold and George then called to say that Bill Clinton was furious." And I asked him, assuming from this writing, that Harold and George had called him, he said no, they didn't call me. They talked to Mr. Altman. Would you tell us about that call and why Bill Clinton was furious to discover that you had decided, finally, to recuse yourself because that kind of reaction is not in any way, shape, or form compatible with the tone of the meeting as you've described it here, which was so amiable and so pleasant and nobody got excited. Everybody just said yeah, fine, go ahead, recuse yourself if you want but we won't tell you what to do. That simply doesn't coincide what Mr. Steiner tells us in his diary. Can you tell us if, in fact, you got the call that said Bill Clinton was furious and if so, why he was furious? Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, I may not be right, but I believe the testimony under oath from the participants in the February 2 meeting is quite consistent. I believe it is. The accounts that I've read---! Senator BENNETT. Well, you're entitled to believe it is, and I'm entitled to believe it's not. Will you now come to the point of Mr. Steiner's diary entry when he says, "Harold and George then called to say that Bill Clinton was furious"? Did that call occur, and if so, what did they tell you about the President's state of mind? Mr. ALTMAN. I watched Mr. Steiner's testimony this morning, and Mr. Steiner said in response to the question furious with the manner of his recusal. I think that's a direct quote from Mr. Steiner. Furious with the manner of his recusal. And what they told me was they were upset that they hadn't been given prior notice, That's what Mr. Ickes and Mr. Stephanopoulos told me. The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Altman, I believe we need a direct answer to the question that he asked. And that is-and maybe you said it and I didn't hear it-but did you receive a call and can you tell us what the contents of the call were?