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Hullabaloo Show 13 Part 2 Host: Paul Anka (4/6/65)
Hullabaloo Show 13 Part 2 Host: Paul Anka (4/6/65)
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 29, 1973 (2/2)
[01.10.06-DEAN discusses March 21, 1973, when he dissented from HALDEMAN and EHRLICHMAN on continuing the coverup, telling NIXON that HALDEMAN, EHRLICHMAN, and DEAN were probably indictable for obstructing justice] Well, when I went, to Mr. Ehrlichman's office when he was counsel he did not have any law books in his office either. And he said, "Would You bring me a copy of that section of the code," as I did have the law books in my office and I thought, I told him he ought to look up section 1503 of title 18 of the, United States Code and particularly read the annotations thereunder. [01.10.31] Senator BAKER. All right, sir. What did Mr. Haldeman if anything, when you indicated to the President that, you disagreed because you thought Ehrlichman, Haldeman. and Dean were indictable? What reaction did you have from Mr. Haldeman, particularly -what did he say? Mr. DEAN. I had discussed this with Mr. Haldeman on earlier Occasions. I do not recall a reaction at that meeting that afternoon because I had already talked to him about this in a meeting he and I had had shortly after the election and before the version of the Dean report which was put in writing and has been submitted to this committee as an exhibit. Senator BAKER. But more to the point and just for the moment, did Mr. Haldeman say anything to you -at that juncture? Mr. DEAN. I cannot recall him saying anything at that point, no. [01.11.13-a hint that NIXON, with HALDEMAN AND EHRLICHMAN, was working to set up MITCHELL for the blame] Senator BAKER. Did the President say anything at that point? Mr. DEAN. No, this is toward the end of the meeting, and I am sure the discussion was that Dean is wrong, because there was no change. There was discussion about the fact that Mr. Mitchell, that was part of the discussion at that meeting, that Mr. Mitchell should come down the next morning. In fact, when Mr.--during the morning meeting, at the conclusion of the meeting the President called for Mr. Haldeman to come into the office and -what he told, what -the President told Mr. Haldeman was, is, -that "John Mitchell should come, down and you all should have a meeting with him." Senator BAKER. We are, back to the morning meeting? Mr. DEAN. We are back to the morning meeting but that is because I am not going into every detail and jumping back and forth to try to explain it to you. [01.12.09] Senator BAKER. All right, sir, go ahead. Mr. DEAN. The next meeting with the President., and I am leaving out the intervening meetings with Haldeman and Ehrlichman at this point, the next meeting with the President occurred on the afternoon of the 22d. Senator BAKER. Before you go to that, Mr. Dean, did the President say anything that you can recall, or let me, put it in two parts, did the President say anything when you said Ehrlichman, Haldeman, and Dean might be indictable and if he did say something if you can recall, what did he say? [01.12.39-DEAN says that he can't recall NIXON'S reaction to his statement that DEAN, HALDEMAN, and EHRLICHMAN were indictable-must not have been a very strong, surprised reaction?] Mr. DEAN. I cannot recall what the President, said. I thought I had dropped a bomb -which I obviously had in front, of the President, and certainly the explosion was still going over in my ears and I was not listening, I was looking at Mr.----- Senator BAKER. But you have no recollection that the President did or -did not speak. Mr. DEAN. No. As I recall, the meeting ended on the note that "Let us have Mr. Mitchell come down and you all have a little discussion with Mr. Mitchell about these problems the next morning. Senator BAKER. Who suggested that? Mr. DEAN. I do not know. I am trying to be very careful. Senator BAKER. All right,, would you move on to March 22? Mr. DEAN. To the meeting with the President that afternoon? Senator BAKER. Yes, Sir. [01.13.28] Mr. DEAN. The. meeting with the President. on March '22 was like many, many meetings that I had attended, in -which there was a general discussion of this committee, questions of executive privilege at one point in that meeting, the President picked up the telephone and called the Attorney General because he had a report from Mr. Timmons that apparently Mr. Kleindienst was not dealing with you On working out problems with this committee, and Mr. Mitchell referred to the fact that the President had had no problems excepting the fact that there is probably -in over--he has overstated the executive privilege position and he is taking a beating on that and there should be some retraction or pulling back to a point on that. [01.14.22] Senator BAKER. This was John Mitchell's advice? Mr. DEAN. That is correct. Senator BAKER. Go ahead, sir. Mr. DEAN. At one point during the discussions I asked the President to excuse, myself because I was working on a statement with Mr. Ziegler regarding the Gray comment that I had probably lied. I went from--you are, familiar with the President President's Executive Office, we were sitting On the, sofa in the office and Mr. Haldeman was sitting in a chair or Mr. Haldeman and Ehrlichman were on the sofa and the President was on a chair facing as you were, facing us on the right and Mr. Mitchell in a chair on the left and I pulled up a chair at the other end of the table between the President and Mr. Mitchell and I asked to excuse myself to go handle, this matter. The, President asked me what it was about. I explained to him what, it was about, he said "Go over to the corner and use the phone by the table," which I did and went over and had a quiet conversation with Mr. Ziegler for 10 minutes or so on the telephone, and then I rejoined the meeting and the discussion was still focusing around this committee, and the executive privilege question. [01.15.35]
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 29, 1973 (2/2)
[01.15.35-DEAN discussing March 22, 1973 meeting with NIXON, HALDEMAN, EHRLICHMAN on maintaining coverup through ERVIN COMMITTEE investigation] At that point. the, President turned to me and said --John, I think that, you ought to go up and discuss with Senator Ervin the parameters of executive privilege" and I said to the President, "I thought that would be very unwise because, I am the, point at, issue in the Gray hearings and I am there negotiating my own position." He agreed. and Mr. Ehrlichman said that he would come, and visit with Senator Ervin on discussing executive privilege vis-a-vis appearances of White House, staff. The meeting was very much of this tenor. There was nothing dramatic that happened. and again this was somewhat to my surprise. The meeting concluded, Haldeman and Ehrlichman departed the, office, Mr. Mitchell stayed 'and had a social conversation -with the President, they were talking about----- Senator BAKER. Were you there at the time? [01.16.31] Mr. DEAN. I -was in and out for this reason, here is a point that I had really forgotten about that, occurred in front of Mr. Mitchell. The President said in front of Mr. Mitchell that "John has been doing an excellent job on this whole problem." and it was just a compliment he paid me in front of Mr. Mitchell. I Was trying to make just make an arrangement for Mr. Mitchell to meet with Paul O'Brien who had been wanting to meet with him and as; you know outside. the President's suite there, there is an empty office that he makes available for guests. I was talking to the, receptionist as to Mr. Mitchell's availability of that. I went even to that office myself I called my secretary to tell her to make arrangements for Mr. O'Brien to come over to meet with Mr. Mitchell in that office. I meanwhile went back in the President's office and told the President and Mr. Mitchell that that office had been set up and that my secretary was trying to arrange the meeting so that Mr. O'Brien and Mr. Mitchell could meet and, as I recall, I departed then for Mr. Ziegler's office, again to see, what had happened with the White House response on Mr. Gray's statement regarding myself. Senator BAKER. All right. Does that conclude the important aspects of the March 22 meeting? Mr. DEAN. I think that does; yes. Senator BAKER. And once again with the caveat that whatever else you have said in your prepared statement will be incorporated for the purposes of our colloquy here. [01.18.05] Do we move then to April 15? Mr. DEAN. That is correct. Senator BAKER. All right. Would you go ahead, please. Mr. DEAN. Well, I might add, now, I had a conversation with the President on March 23. Senator BAKER. All right. Would you tell us about that? Mr. DEAN. The President suggested, as he had on previous occasions, and in fact my wife and I had talked about it, he had said, "John, have, you ever been up to Camp David," and I said "Well, only once on a very brief visit" which had been on November 15, Senator BAKER. Where was this conversation? Mr. DEAN. These were in the Oval Office and they would come up at the end of a meeting or something in which he had suggested I go to Camp David to enjoy Camp David. Senator BAKER. What time during the day of March 23? Mr. DEAN. Did I receive the call? Senator BAKER. I am not quite sure I understand. Mr. DEAN. All right. Senator BAKER. There was a meeting 'with the President. [01.19.00] Mr. DEAN. I was referring to the fact that, I know there has been some--I have read in the press that, you know, the President was continually trying to send me to Camp David. Well, the invitations I was getting to go to Camp David were not to go for any personal reasons other than to go up and enjoy Camp David and relax as during the Gray hearings as my name was coming more to the forefront and the President was telling me, "Don't bother to read the newspaper, I have been through this sort of thing before," and he told me, that on countless occasions to ignore the newspapers and not let this get to me. And I had relayed this to my wife and told her that the President had been very gracious in saying that we should go to Camp David and enjoy the facilities up there. [01.19.45] Senator BAKER. Was there a meeting on March 23? Mr. DEAN. No; there was a telephone call that came in, it must have been after lunch time, some time, I don't recall precisely when, what hour, but we arrived there at about 3:30 or so. so I would say that the call probably came in, given the fact that it is about over a 2-hour ride, about 1, 1:30 or so, and I would assume the President was calling, by then he had left for Florida. [01.20.18] The President said to me, he said. the most interesting thing I remember that is relevant to your inquiry now is, he said, "Well, John, your prediction is correct." That was in reference to the fact on the 21st I told him I thought one of the defendants, would--would not remain, not all the defendants would remain silent and here in fact this had occurred when Mr. McCord had submitted his letter to the court on the 23d. [01.20.48-BAKER continues to examine DEAN'S conversations with NIXON at a point when the COVERUP was in serious jeopardy] Senator BAKER. Let's examine that just a Moment, Mr. Dean. Did the President say that, you were proved correct because McCord has said so and so or is this an inference you draw from the circumstances? Mr. DEAN. Well, he was quite aware of the fact that McCord had, in the conversation that came up he was aware of the fact, that McCord's letter had been read in court that morning. Senator BAKER. Tell me what he said, please? Mr. DEAN. He just acknowledged the fact that he was aware of Mr. McCord having submitted a letter to the court. Senator BAKER. Can you recall the language? Mr. DEAN. No; I cannot, [01.21.26]
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Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 29, 1973 (2/2)
[01.21.26-BAKER questions DEAN about his conversations with NIXON at a point when the COVERUP was, according to DEAN'S warnings, in serious jeopardy of unraveling] Senator BAKER. But It was your--it is your recollection that the President conveyed to you the information that he knew of the McCord letter to the court? Mr. DEAN. Yes, and then he told me, he Said, "Well, John, your prediction was right." Senator BAKER. All right, sir, go ahead. Mr. DEAN. That did stick in my mind very clearly. It was after that we entered into a discussion about going to Camp David. He suggested I go up and relax. Senator BAKER. I thought you were at Camp David. Mr. DEAN. NO, Sir; I was at my home. Senator BAKER. I am sorry. Go ahead, sir. Thank you, [01.22.05] Mr. DEAN. I had been surrounded by the press that, morning as a result of the preceding day's comment by Mr. Gray. I have not, made myself carefully available to the press during any time in this matter and my house has been, I might say, staked out almost 24 hours a day by the press. [01.22.26-A FUNNY LINE OF QUESTIONING] Senator BAKER. Was this the time when a newspaper or television reporter tried to interview you through the mail slot? Mr. DEAN. NO; that was rather recently when I refused to open the, door and she kept pounding on the door and so I finally, opened up the mail slot and, to correct the record On that, I was not on all fours, I was merely on my, bending down [laughter]. Just to keep accuracy in the media' [laughter]. Senator BAKER. And just for the sake of chivalry. -we will not, say who that was. All right, Mr. Dean, go ahead please. [01.23.08-A young woman, presumably the reporter in question, is shown, laughs--DEAN discusses NIXON telling him to go to Camp David, which in hindsight appeared to be a ploy to get DEAN out of town so that HALDEMAN and EHRLICHMAN could plot to get DEAN to take the blame when the coverup unraveled] Mr. DEAN. We entered into a discussion about going to Camp David, and I told him Yes, that sounded good. because I told him that I was surrounded by the press and he again repeated what he had repeated to me earlier, that I had been under a lot, of press coverage as a result of this. [01.23.30-DEAN'S trip to CAMP DAVID was NOT intended as a chance for DEAN to issue a report on the coverup, to "get the facts out" to the public-the COVERUP was going to continue] But the, important thing, that you are interested in, he told me not to go to Camp David to write a report. Rather, he, told me to go up, relax for a couple of days, take my wife. He told me he does his best thinking at Camp David and that, -what I should do is go up and assess the entire situation and figure out where we go from here. I told him I would do that. I told him I would go up and think over the entire matter. Senator BAKER. This was on March 23? Mr. DEAN. That is correct. Now, when I arrived at Camp David on March 23, we had some incidental conversation about that as a result of the fact that some other of the First Family was up there. But I do not think that is relevant at all. I do not even think it is relevant to my testimony this point. [01.24.29-DEAN smells a setup] When I arrived at Camp David, the phone was ringing in the cabin that my -wife and I were staying in and the operator came on and said, it is the President calling. I waited and the President did not come on. Rather, Mr. Haldeman came on the phone. Mr. Haldeman said--we had a little further conversation, brief conversation about McCord's letter because I had not spoken with him during the day on the McCord letter. I had talked to Mr. Ehrlichman earlier that day about the McCord letter. I recall Mr. Haldeman saying that he had understood that McCord basically had hearsay and I said, that was my understanding. So I assumed from that that Mr. Haldeman had obviously talked to somebody also about the matter. [01.25.20-DEAN states that HALDEMAN wanted DEAN to write a report, but DEAN suspected that if he did, the report would be used by HALDEMAN and EHRLICHMAN to pin the blame for the coverup on DEAN] Then he said, while you are up there, -why don't you write up a report on this matter? And I asked him -was it for internal or external use? And he said that would be decided later. So I was very much in a quandary as to how to write what he wanted to write. But I had also, by the time I got to Camp David, had well evidenced to everybody I was dealing -with that I was thinking far differently about the continued coverup than I think others were. Senator BAKER. This was -a conversation with Mr. Haldeman? Mr. DEAN. That is correct. [01.25.56]
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