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San Francisco's Golden Gate Bridge looks down on strange goings-on. This is a new kind of surfboarding. You get up to speed behind a towboat and then you ride the wave.... San Francisco, CA Shot taken from the back of the boat, Golden Gate Bridge in the back ground and wakes made by the boat. MS - A guy and a gal boat surfing. MS - The guy lets go of the rope and the wakes made from the boat keep the surf board in action, The guy lifts up the girl and she makes like she flying as she is held high by his shoulder. MS - Oops, they go down into the drink. They both swim back to the surf board and get on board the surf board and paddle back to the beach.
August 4, 1994 - Part 5
(13:50:11) Senator FAIRCLOTH. Mr. McLarty, yesterday at the House hear- ings, Representative Leach said that there were some highly un- usual things that happened right around the time that the White House was given the September 29th "heads-up." At that time the usual practice for RTC investigators was for RTC investigators to send criminal referrals directly to the Justice Department. This was the policy; a criminal referral from RTC went straight to Jus- tice. Instead, they were sent to lawyers in Washington on Septem- ber 30th. The day after Jean Hanson gave the White House a "heads-up" that those referrals were coming to the Washington RTC office, RTC lawyers began what Representative Leach referred to as an unprecedented review of these referrals. RTC lawyers then delayed transmitting the referrals to the Justice Department for a week and they developed a legal analysis rejecting the personal in investigators' recommendation; in other words, the RTC lawyers went against their own people. They raised questions about the statute of limitation and double jeopardy for James McDougal Of Madison Guaranty Savings & Loan. A major effort was taken by RTC lawyers The CHAIRMAN. Senator Faircloth, excuse me. I don't want to interrupt you and that's why I've been listening carefully to what you say here. I think we're up against the scope problem here in terms of whether or not we're veering over the line. I don't say if we are that you are doing that intentionally but whether we're getting into any part of an active phase of the Special Prosecutor's investigation that he's asked us not to penetrate and so I'm concerned that we may be running that risk here. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Mr. Chairman, just let me ask the question, because I wanted to be up against the wall. I just didn't want to jump it. The CHAIRMAN. I understand. Senator FAIRCLOTH. They were worried about double jeopardy for James McDougal at Madison Guaranty Savings & Loan, A major effort was undertaken by RTC lawyers to debunk their own investigation. When the referrals were finally sent to the Justice Department, they went with an objecting legal analysis attached. RTC sent an objecting legal analysis from their own professional field investigators. Jean Hanson has apparently said she does not recall the events, but according to the Acting RTC General Counsel at that time, Glion Curtis-1 think that's the correct pronunciation-General Counsel at that time, Glion Curtis, said she was briefed. Mr. McLarty, according to Mr. Leach, the RTC lawyers in Washing-ton were trying to debunk the deferrals-referrals the day after the September 29th meeting. Now, White House meeting. Let me ask, were you aware of these events? The CHAIRMAN. Well, on this point, I think to ask the witnesses to comment on this, it's one thing I think for you to pose an issue that's in your mind or a concern that you have. I think to the extent that we now start to build an exchange here and put these questions to the witnesses and ask them to respond, we run smack into the injunction that we're-that we face of, I think, crossing the line into the area where there's an active investigation underway that we've been asked not to interfere with. I feel compelled to say to the witnesses at this point that, no matter how benign the answer may be or otherwise, that I don't think it's appropriate for us to engage in questioning on that right now since that is in an area that Mr. Fiske has asked us not to deal with at this point and which the Senate also has ruled out of bounds for us as I read our resolution. So if I may say, and I do that respectfully to the Senator from North Carolina, but I think you want to go right up to the line. I understand that. I think we're there. I think if they start engaging you in this line of discussion then we've gone over the line, and I can't permit that and I don't think you necessarily want that to happen either. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Well, my time is up. I've got one more quick question. Do you believe it would be significant if there was "heads-up" earlier than that which has been testified to here so far? Would that be a significant thing, Mr. McLarty? 347 348 Mr. McLARTY. Senator, I really honestly don't know how to re- spond to your question or your statement. It's obvious you know a lot more about these RTC matters than I do. And without studying a specific issue, I don't know how to respond to your question whether it would be significant or not.
Berlin Reunions: The Wall Is Opened For Year-End Visits
Same as catalog # 526982 For the first time in two and a half years, "The Wall Of Shame" is Berlin has been opened to the Free People of the city. West Berliners line up by the tens of thousands for passes to visit relatives and friends imprisoned behind the Wall in the eastern sector of the city. In freezing temperatures they wait as long as nine hours to get their applications. They go to Communist territory loaded with presents --- East Berliners will be able to enjoy luxury they have not experienced in years. West Berlin, Germany Throngs of West Berliners queue up to go over into East Berlin to visit family and friends. MCUS - West Berliners queue in line to apply for one day passes into East Berlin. MCUS - East Berliners standing in line smiling holding pass ports. MCUS - The firs West Berliners passing trhough Check Point Charlie and walking into East Germany.
1948 Presidental Election
Same as catalog # 526983 The 1948 Presidential election provided one of the greatest upsets in United States history. Thomas E. Dewey was chosen to be the Republican standard bearer for the second time. The Democrats chose Harry S. Truman. From the day of Mr. Truman's nomination the experts were saying he didn't have a chance of beating Mr. Dewey. However, President Truman had different ideas. After a long and hard fought campaign he fooled the experts and was returned to office.
US - German Talks: Johnson And Erhard Confer At Ranch
Same as catalog # 526985 Holiday time at the Johnson s. The President plays host to the press as they await the arrival of Chancellor Ludwig Erhard of Germany. The LBJ Texas spread is the scene of a barbecue and then the President treats the newsmen to an example of his prowess astride a Tennessee Walking Horse. Later the Chancellor is met at the airport and then treated to another barbecue that features the playing of famed pianist Van Cliburn. In a joint statement the two men say their countries pledge themselves to easing the East-West cold war tensions. Texas The press gathered outside President Johnson's ranch home in Texas. MS - President Johnson and the BBQ chief. MS - One of the cooks grilling up some steaks. MS - Pierre Salinger sitting on top of a horse. MS - President Johnson mounting his horse, the President and Pierre Salinger go horseback riding. MCUS - President Johnson at the air port shaking hands with the people who came out to welcome Chancellor Ludwig Erhard of Germany. MS - Mr. Erhard disembarks from the plane and is greeted by President Johnson. CUS - Van Cliburn a famed pianist. MCUS - Over the door of President Johnson it reads; "Willkommen" MS - Inside the home in an eating area, everybody seems to be chowing down. MCUS - President Johnson and Chancellor Ludwig Erhard of Germany shaking hands. MS - Van Cliburn playing the piano.
21 Die In Fire: Smoke Traps Hotel Victims
Same as catalog # 526986 As the Roosevelt Hotel in Jacksonville, Florida, blazes firemen battle through fumes and fire to rescue trapped guests on upper floors that their ladders won't reach. Navy helicopters join in to rescue others from the hotel roof as 21 victims are trapped and die in the hotel that was jammed with fans who were Jacksonville for a football game. Jacksonville, Florida Roosevelt Hotel on fire. MS - Some people are half way out the window's. MS - One person on the window ledge of an open window, smoke is billowing out of the room. MS - Fire men with extended ladders on their fire truck. Camera looking up - A bed-sheet ladder hanging out the window. MS - Fireman on his extended ladder. MS - You can barely see the head of a person hanging out an open window, thick smoke is just pouring out of the room. MLS - You can see a Navy rescue helicopter through the thick smoke. MS - A survivor of the tragic fire being moved to an ambulance. MS - Hotel survivors in a small group stop at the street light and walk across the street.
August 4, 1994 - Part 5
(13:55:30) What I can say is there is no evidence to suggest that anyone in the White House has done anything to influence the RTC's decision process and I think career RTC people have said the same thing under testimony-under oath. The CHAIRMAN, Thank you. Senator Dodd. Senator DODD . Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This will be very, very brief. I know we need to move on. Just a couple of observations. One, our colleague from Delaware, Senator Roth, in talking about "de facto recusal" and de jure, I guess, recusal I think tried to use your recusal, Mr. McLarty, as an example where your former employment with ARCO and your status there and then the company's involvement with some issues to be forwarded compared that to Mr. Altman's decision to recuse as if somehow they were on some sort of equal footing. I think the record needs to reflect that Mr. Altman, whatever other complaints people may have, had no financial interest in Madison Guaranty or any of the interests that were going to come before the RTC. His decision to recuse, ultimately I guess, was based more on what he felt may have been a personal relationship with the President and Mrs. Clinton than anything else. I just didn't want those two examples to be left out there as comparables. That's more of a statement than a question. But, Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a couple of observations, if I could, because I think the record ought to reflect this. We've seen a strong indication of this Administration's willingness to be coop- erative. I know of no other example on inquiries by the U.S. Senate where the Chief of Staff of the President of the United States and the Chief of Staff of the First Lady have come before a Senate Committee-now there are historians around here who may correct me but as far as I know that is unprecedented-voluntarily to come forward and to talk about these matters. The normal course is to fight that every step of the way. We've seen that experience in the past and for many people who may be watching these procedures or listening to them who may not be familiar of the historical context, the fact that Mr, McLarty and MS. Williams are here today voluntarily to answer questions, and I think very directly and very candidly of this Committee, is some- thing I hope the Committee will take note of as an unprecedented step. And secondly The CHAIRMAN. Well, Senator Dodd, shouldn't it be noted, too, they're here because the President told them to come up here and, respond to these questions? Senator DODD. Which as well the President deserves credit for He asked them to come here rather than fighting it all the way and hiring six law firms to try to come up with Constitutional arguments why you don't have to appear here. We've seen that in past. 349 Secondly, Mr. McLarty, I want to pay a particular compliment to you as a former Chief of Staff. This group of people we had before us yesterday was about as fine a group and I'd say the same for Ms. Williams as well, but and I think you heard that from almost every Member here. They answered directly, and honestly took steps of their own volition in a number of instances in which others, I think, would be the first to tell you today they wish they had in a couple of other instances. I think that's a compliment to you in putting together a first- class team of people. These are people's faces the American public never get to see. They probably don't remember their names today, who they were, but they're down there every day working very hard. I think they reflected well on the President and on the people around him who put that staff together and I want the record to reflect that as well. Last, and it's a question for you. In his testimony before the House of Representatives, Lloyd Cutler noted that while various Treasury-White House contacts violated no ethical standards in his judgment, it would have been better if some of the contacts had never occurred. He noted- and in fact-I didn't know he used these words and I used them because my colleague from Utah has repeated them but-when I consider I used the word "sloppy"--there were too many meetings, too many people milling around, that created some of these difficulties. So instead of going back over that, I wonder if you might share with this Committee what steps have been taken at the White House within this Administration as a result of what's happened here, to minimize this from happening again? Just from an administrative standpoint, that would avoid the kind of proliferation of meetings and people being involved in something beyond their scope of responsibility, if you will.
Bears Win Pro Title - Giants vs. Chicago Bears
The New York Football Giants invade Chicago loaded for Bear as they take on the Western Champs for the title. The New Yorkers make it hot for the Bears in the first quarter despite the freezing temperatures. The Giants score first on a recovered fumble, then the tide turn dramatically as an interception by Bear Larry Morris leads to a Chicago touchdown. The Giants chalk up a field goal but then the Bears come back with another interception that leads up to the winning score. Chicago 14, New York 10. Chicago, Illinois Soldier Field in Chicago, football fans in the seats and the marching band on the field. LSOH - Football fans in the seating areas. MOHS - Bill Wade carries the ball for Chicago, is tackled and he fumbles the ball, the ball is recovered by the Giants. MLS - YA Tittle quarterback for the Giants passes the ball, Joe Morrison catches the ball and carries it for 11-yards. MSOH - YA passes the ball to Frank Gifford and it is caught and taken in for a touchdown. MSOH - Tittle passes the ball right into the hands of Larry (Johnny) Morris, a Bear. MSOH - Bill Wade goes over and ties up the football game, 7 to 7. MS - Tittle passes the ball it is intercepted by a Bear. MS - Bill Wade passes the ball to Mike Ditka and it is caught. A few plays later Bill Wade carries the ball over himself and win the world championship, 14 to 10
August 4, 1994 - Part 5
(14:00:28) Mr. McLARTY. Senator, first, thank you for your kind words and not only about me but more importantly about the dedicated men and women who serve in this White House. And while 1 appreciate your generous comments about putting the staff together, I really would be remiss if I did not underscore that they reflect the President, the Vice President's input and their values in the White House makeup. Second, to respond to your question, I made almost an identical comment that, particularly with the benefit of hindsight, some things should have been done differently and Mr. Cutler points that out in his report and outlines really three steps: First, that any contacts relating to a particular law enforcement investigation should be initiated with White House Counsel approval. And as I said in my opening statement, even better, on a Counsel-to-Counsel basis which is what he recommends. And I would note that many of the contacts that are being discussed today had White House Counsel either approval or involvement or were handled on a Counsel-to-Counsel basis, but still there were too many contacts. And third, Mr. Cutler points out that lie and his colleagues in the White House Counsel's Office are drafting rules of conduct for the future concerning contacts between the Office of the White House Counsel and the Executive Branch agencies with law enforcement functions. The first two are already implemented, the third is in process and will be implemented shortly. 350 Senator DODD. I commend you for that and that's the kind of response and action
August 4, 1994 - Part 6
(14:10:46) I'm trying to think about why he would perhaps have imputed more meaning to the extent that he felt, quote, "whatever the pressure was that caused him to change his thinking," if he might have imputed to your comment, which was an offhand comment as you describe. it, a meaning beyond what you intended but what he might in his mind have attached to it. Do you understand what I'm saying? MS. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir, and Senator Riegle, I really believe that you are trying to understand this, and I really want to help you understand this, but I have to tell you, I do not know what was in Mr. Altman's mind. The CHAIRMAN. No, I understand. No, I'm not asking you to try to guess at that. I'm trying to, in my own mind, think about how two people with good intentions in the same meeting could have events unfold and come away with perhaps very different feelings about it. Ms. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. The CHAIRMAN. You see what I'm saying? Ms. WILLIAMS. I absolutely see what you're saying. The CHAIRMAN. Committee stands in recess until 3:15. (14:11:57) [Recess.] (14:12:00) Hearing hosts KEN BODE and NINA TOTENBERG talk to Representative PETER KING of the House Banking Committee and close out morning's coverage (14:24:01) WETA logo, PBS funding credits
August 4, 1994 - Part 2
(10:55:42) He heard the testimony and he was sufficiently concerned about it. He had enough of those facts in his mind that the first moment that he had, he got up, went out into the hallway, this is his testi- mony, got on his mobile phone to call the White House, to say we have got a problem here, or whatever words he used, that the testi- mony was not complete and therefore presumably would be mis- leading because it was not full and complete. I do not know if you do that all the time or not. That sounds to me like a rather unusual procedure. Does that happen a lot? Mr. McLARTY. You mean in terms of the White House The CHAIRMAN. Having somebody from the Legal Counsel's Office coming to a hearing to listen and, in turn, have an immediate re- sponse capability if a problem of this sort arises? Mr. McLARTY. Well, Mr. Chairman, I think it would not be un- usual for someone from the White House to be in attendance at a Congressional hearing. That would not be an unusual situation. The CHAIRMAN. Well let me press you on that. I am talking about the Legal Counsel's Office. He was not up there at the table testifying. Ile was not part of Altman's team. They were up in the front row and so forth. He was somewhere back in the audience. Just as a matter of record, does the Legal Counsel's Office in the course of a week or a month of hearings, would they be up here all the time, some of the time, or on rare occasion? Mr. McLARTY. I really, Mr. Chairman, would think on some occa- sions but certainly not all of the time. The CHAIRMAN. It strikes me that it would be unusual for that to happen, It might happen on occasion, but I have to impute from 304 this that there was enough concern and sensitivity about this hearing that somebody from the Counsel's Office was detailed to be here in that hearing as a watchbird and as somebody to listen and be able to get back in a hurry. Isn't that a fair conclusion to draw from this? Mr. McLARTY. Well, Mr. Chairman, I understand your reasoning. This hearing, as I understood it or understand it, was on the RTC matters. I think it is understandable why the White House Counsel's office would be involved in that particular matter. And Mr. Eggleston has already given testimony to your Committee, as Senator Bryan and others have commented. The CHAIRMAN. I guess one of the things we will have to try to pin down is why when the alert went out Mr. Eggleston was here, did his job, and realized the testimony was not sufficient. He went:' out into the hallway. He phoned Mr. Podesta, and that set in motion a whole chain of events. The one event that did not get triggered was somebody coming to us promptly and saying: By the way, you just got something less than full and accurate testimony. So then what happens is that quite a long period of time ensues. We get four clarifying letters that come on different dates thereafter, none of which, as it turns out, are complete and full. In fact, it was not until these hearings took place that we got in a sense a full accounting insofar as one can be reconstructed, of the number of contacts and activities that would fit within the scope of the questions that were asked that day. That is troubling. I think it is troubling as a system, as a work system. I would hope that if an alert goes out like that and goes back to the White House that there would at least be two channels that it then goes down. One channel would be to say that within 24 hours we want that testimony corrected fully in every degree, and we want to make sure that that happens. I want somebody to come back-this is a hypothetical person in charge in the White House saying this, the Chief of Staff or somebody designated by you-and that I want to know that we are not going to leave a situation like that sort of hanging out there for days, or weeks, or in this case as it
August 4, 1994 - Part 6
(14:00:01)(tape #10091 begins) what steps have been taken at the White House within this Administration as a result of what's happened here, to minimize this from happening again? Just from an administrative standpoint, that would avoid the kind of proliferation of meetings and people being involved in something beyond their scope of responsibility, if you will. (14:00:28) Mr. McLARTY. Senator, first, thank you for your kind words and not only about me but more importantly about the dedicated men and women who serve in this White House. And while 1 appreciate your generous comments about putting the staff together, I really would be remiss if I did not underscore that they reflect the President, the Vice President's input and their values in the White House makeup. Second, to respond to your question, I made almost an identical comment that, particularly with the benefit of hindsight, some things should have been done differently and Mr. Cutler points that out in his report and outlines really three steps: First, that any contacts relating to a particular law enforcement investigation should be initiated with White House Counsel approval. And as I said in my opening statement, even better, on a Counsel-to-Counsel basis which is what he recommends. And I would note that many of the contacts that are being discussed today had White House Counsel either approval or involvement or were handled on a Counsel-to-Counsel basis, but still there were too many contacts. And third, Mr. Cutler points out that lie and his colleagues in the White House Counsel's Office are drafting rules of conduct for the future concerning contacts between the Office of the White House Counsel and the Executive Branch agencies with law enforcement functions. The first two are already implemented, the third is in process and will be implemented shortly. 350 Senator DODD. I commend you for that and that's the kind of response and action (14:02:01)(tape #10090 ends) that I'm pleased to see and undertaken of Your own initiative. It should be noted of course that you said 80 in your opening statement. As I mentioned last week, we've used a lot of language and acronyms and dates and names that could probably cause most people's eyes to glaze over. Except for the subject matter we're talking about, and the notion that this was an all-consuming set of events because that's what we're paying attention to here, as you point out in your testimony, goes far beyond that. From the end of September, September 29 to roughly March 3 or 4, 1994, is the window we're talking about. We passed the North American Free Trade Agreement, obtained a GATT agreement, and the President traveled a number of places worldwide. There's a whole list of things that you included in your testimony that involved-I know because I was involved in a number of these things--countless hours, countless meetings and this did not cause a paralyzation of activity at all. Quite to the contrary. A lot of other things were going on and I think that should be noted as well.. With that I thank both of you for being here today and I commend you on your testimony. Mr. McLARTY. Senator, thank you. The CHAIRMAN. Let me just indicate, I've talked to the Senators on this side and I have not received any indication from anybody that has any further questions right now. Is that correct, Senator Sasser? Senator SASSER. Well, Mr. Chairman, to paraphrase our own colleague, Stu Udall, every question has been asked of this panel that needs to be asked. I'm just not sure that everybody's asked it yet. [Laughter.] Senator D'AMATO. Mr. Chairman Senator SASSER. But frankly, I don't have any further questions. Thank you. The CHAIRMAN. Let me also say it will be my intention, once we finish with this panel which I hope we can do shortly, we'll take roughly a half an hour break because we know we've got two other panels today and we want to get through both of those, so that we can let people get a bite of lunch. We'll start roughly a half an hour after we recess. So let's finish up with this panel now. Senator Bond. Senator BOND. Just a couple of quick questions and I'll try to be brief. Mr. McLarty, when you are going to do an interview, show or major appearance, do you normally have somebody prepare a briefing memo for you on positions that the White House has taken or that you are taking? Do you have a memo prepared for you? Mr. McLARTY. Senator, usually it is not in written form. It really depends on the type of interview. Usually the preparation is rather brief and, frankly, reflects a discussion with two or three people that are involved in topical areas that the interview will probably focus on. Usually there's-usually there's nothing written, prepared. Senator BOND. Is there anybody generally responsible for that, preparing you on those interviews? Mr. McLARTY. It really depends on the type of interview and the topics and what is topical at the time. If it's going to be on foreign 351 policy, the briefing would normally come from the NSC. If it's on economic matters, it would come from the National Economic Counsel personnel.
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Orange Bowl: Nebraska 13, Auburn 7
Nebraska goes into the Orange Bowl as the under-dog but with the help of a 85 yard touchdown run by Dennis Claridge in the first minute and 13 seconds of play, the Cornhuskers take charge. Auburn scores once in the 3rd quarter but it's too little - too late. Miami, Florida Miami's Orange Bowl, crowded stadium, marching band on the field with a huge American Flag. OHS - Sports fans packed the stadium. MSOH - Dennis Claridge runs 68 yards with the ball and he scores a touchdown. MLS - Nebraska punts the ball and it received by George Rose and he fumbles and it is recovered by Nebraska. In the third quarter Auburn gets rolling and passes to Bucky Wade for 28 yards.
Cotton Bowl: Texas 28, Navy 6
University of Texas manager to contain Navy ace Roger Staubach at critical points as Duke Carlisle quarterbacks the Longhorns to glory. He throws two touchdown passes to Phil Harris. One of the Carlisle pass plays is 58 yards and the other 63 yards. Navy Ace, Staubach, completes 21 of 31 passes to no avail, though he does score the only Navy touchdown. Dallas, Texas At Dallas, Texas out side shot of the Cotton Bowl Stadium. The word A R M Y is spelled out on the football field by the army marching band. MS - News Reel cameras and sports crowd the top tier of the stadium. MS - Navy has the ball and Duke Carlisle carries the ball and lays the ground work for his first touchdown. MS - Carlisle unleashes a bomb and shakes the Navy, he throws the ball it is caught by Phil Harris and he runs 58 yards a scores a touchdown. MS - Carlisle and Harris to team up again, Carlisle passes, Harris catches the ball and takes it home for another touchdown. Tommy Ford has the ball and once again takes it up close to the goal line, Texas is on a roll. MS - Finally Navy has the ball, Roger passes it and its caught. On the next play Roger sees no one open so he takes the ball over the goal scoring 6 points. Texas wins 28 to Navy 6.
Sugar Bowl: Alabama 12, Mississippi 7
There's a sweet football on tap at the Sugar Bowl in a game that becomes "The Case of the Educated Toe". Alabama's Tim Davis kicks four field goals to score all of Alabama's 12 points. Again this is a game where the losing team, Mississippi, manages to squeeze out a score in the final quarter to avoid a whitewash. New Orleans, Louisiana Sugar Bowl has 80-thousand football fans cheering on their teams. MLS - Alabama's Tim Davis kicks a field goal. MOHS - Mississippi fumbles and Butch Henry recovers for Alabama. MOHS - Tim Davis kicks the ball 48-yards for a field goal the longest in any Bowl Game history.
N.Y. Blaze Blacks Out Waterfront
A roaring fire casts a dark blanket over mid-town Manhattan as a blaze engulfs a waterfront pier. Six fireboats and scores of fire engines fight the blaze for an hour before bringing it under control. The pier was due for demolition anyway, so the fire just rang down the curtain early on one of New York's landmarks. Manhattan, New York, NY Fire men, hoses and a building burning. CUS - Top of the building burning. MS - Fire Tug Boat with all its hoses turned on and aimed at the pie, it's an old railroad terminal that has turned out to be a 5 alarm fire. CUS - Through the smoke you can see a fire man holding a hose, other firemen around him. MS - Three firemen standing on a smoke filled roof of a building, you can see the fire ladder leading to the roof.
Winter Olympics Preview
Scores of nations are in the frenzy of last-minute preparations for the opening of the Winter Olympics games in Austria. Germany is picking her ski-jumping team in final tests at Oberstdorf and they jump as far as 252 feet. There will be thrills at the Olympics and that's not jumping at conclusions. Oberstdorf, Germany Skiers getting in condition at Oberstdorf for the up-coming Olympics. MS - One of the skiers take on the course of long jumping and ends up sliding on his belly. MS - Another skier come along and jumps and has a successful jump.
August 4, 1994 - Part 6
(14:05:23) Senator BOND. Do you have any recollection who would have prepared you for that CNN interview show which I have referred to in the last line of questioning, where you talked about Mr. Altman's position? Do you know who would have done it or who did it? Mr. MCLARTY. Senator, as I recall it, that was a relatively farranging interview, as many are, and I think I received briefings from several people. Perhaps someone from the White House Counsel's Office would have briefed me on the matter that you are speaking of I honestly don't recall the briefing. As I remember, it was a busy time and I didn't spend a lot of time getting briefed before that interview. Senator BOND. And I can understand that. I'm trying to find out who did it because the concern I have is, there was much discussion in the White House about the inaccuracy of Mr. Altman's testimony, but that seems to be as far as it got. There was talk about it. I personally received a telephone call on March 2nd from Mr. Altman, not because he had discovered that the testimony was in error, his first words to me were The Washington Post is going to publish this story the next day, and I have the sinking feeling that I found out only because it was going to be in the newspaper the next day. That's why I'm trying to find out who should have or would have been in a position to brief you, to tell you why the testimony by Altman was not correct or why you were not given the information that the recusal should have been discussed. Mr. Chairman, I yield the balance of my time. The CHAIRMAN. I right. Let me just indicate I've been informed that the Senate is about to start four back-to-back votes starting at 2:10. The first one will run for 20 minutes; the next three, 5 minutes each. That will take us into the range, by the time they announce those votes and so forth, to a little bit after 3:00. So I'm going to, in a moment, discharge these witnesses and indicate that we'll start with our next panel. We'll recess the Committee as well. We'll start our next panel at 3:15, so those witnesses can be on notice. I want to say to these two witnesses, we appreciate, very much, your testimony. I have one other question that I want to put to Ms. Williams before this vote starts. I was listening very carefully to everything that's been said, not just by the two of you but by all of our witnesses, and I'm trying to make sense out of this obvious contradiction between Mr. Altman, his diary, what he bases that on and the testimony that we've gotten here from you today, and also very much on the recusal issue. What I'm wondering is this: I'm looking for how, how could that plausibly be, how could that ever be reconciled? I'm wondering, Ms. Williams, you came to the meeting late, the meeting that we're talking about on February 2nd? Ms. WILLIAMS. That's correct sir. The CHAIRMAN. You arrived late at the meeting. So anything that went on in the meeting before you got there, you are obviously not going to know about because you weren't there; isn't that fair to say? Ms. WILLIAMS. That would be fair to say, Senator. The CHAIRMAN. So whatever lie might have taken away from that meeting that occurred before you arrived would be between the other participants in the meeting and him and that would be outside the scope of your knowledge; wouldn't that be fair to say? Ms. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. That would be fair to say. The CHAIRMAN. OK. Also, when you came in, you weren't prepared or briefed or ready to discuss recusal, as I understand your testimony today, in any formal fashion. The issue came up and you gave a point of view, essentially off the top of your head; would that--I don't say that disrespectfully, but would that be a fair way to characterize it? Ms, WILLIAMS. Very much off the top of my head. The CHAIRMAN. In fact, Mr. Nussbaum, you felt, in the meeting was sort of dismissive of your point of view. You also said that today, did you not? Ms. WILLIAMS. I believe I mentioned that. The CHAIRMAN. I thought I heard that. In any case, I'm wondering, just to try to reconcile these two accounts if, in Mr. Altman's mind, if he's in there and he's already gotten a dose of negative feedback on his decision to recuse himself-I'm just theorizing now-if, when you offered your opinion, which was a spontaneous opinion that you offered at that particular time, if he might have construed your opinion to be one either coming-you have two roles in the White House, you work for the President, you work for the First Lady-whether Altman, in his frame of mind, might have thought that whatever opinion you were giving was not just your opinion, but maybe you were giving an opinion that might have been a reflection of either the President's or the First Lady's.
Footprints In The Cement Of Time
For the first time in 30 years a child movie star is immortalized at Grauman's Chinese Theatre, a Hollywood landmark. The teen-ager honored is Hayley Mills, (daughter of British actor, John Mills), who has scored her latest hit in the film version of "The Chalk Garden". Now her hand and footprints are in the sidewalk in front of the famous theatre. Hollywood, California Out side Graumann's Chinese Theatre it is jammed packed with fans of Haley Mills. MS - A young Haley Mills is introduced to the outside audience. MCUS - Haley Mills is on her knees and she's placing her hands in wet cement in front of Graumann's Theatre. CUS - Fans standing behind the ropes. MCUS - Haley is held by her hands as she steps into the wet cement leaving her footprints.
August 4, 1994 - Part 2
(10:00:01)(tape #10098 begins) Ms. WILLIAMS. You would have to ask Mr. Altman why he called me. Senator GRAMM. Why do you think he called you? Ms. WILLIAMS. One, Mr. Altman and I talked frequently about Health Care, all the time, in fact. In fact, one of the things that I did both as an Assistant to the President and Chief of Staff to the First Lady is I did a lot of meeting facilitation. I would try and get Senator GRAMM. Well, but he says in his diary that he had talked to you about Whitewater. He has in quotes that you had told him, "that the First Lady was paralyzed by it." (10:00:44) Ms. WILLIAMS. Senator Gramm, you must let me take one ques- tion at a time. If you want me to go back and talk about the diary, then I am happy to do so. If you want me to finish this one question Senator GRAMM. My one problem is that my light is about to turn red and I am not going to get back to ask a question for 2 hours. You understand that. Ms. WILLIAMS. I understand that, but my problem is I have to tell you what I know. The CHAIRMAN. We will give you a chance, when he finishes, to answer both questions. Senator GRAMM. If, on my time, you will go back and try to tell me why you think he, of all the people he could have called, why he would call the Chief of Staff of the First Lady to set up this meeting for him to come over and say, I am not taking myself out of the investigation of Madison? Ms. WILLIAMS. First of all, let me say that I am very uncomfortable speculating about why Mr, Altman called me, because it will only be speculation. But I will say that I talk to Mr. Altman regularly in the course, of Health Care. I will say that I am known to be a person who puts people together to facilitate meetings. I would also say that I have instant access to Mr. Ickes, Mr. Stephanopoulos, and also people in the Counsel's Office. 285 So I think it might have been as a matter of convenience kind of one- stop shopping, since this is what I had done (10:02:10)(tape #10087 ends) during my work on Health Care. In the second question what about the diaries? Senator GRAMM. Well, I was simply, in the second question, pointing out that you had had previous contact with Mr. Altman. He had referred in his diaries to Whitewater and had put in parentheses, as if it were a quote from you, about the First Lady being paralyzed by the Whitewater matter. Did that have anything to do with Mr. Altman wanting to deliver what at least he perceived that the White House would view as great and glorious news, I that he was not taking himself out of this investigation? Ms. WILLIAMS. Well, first of all, you start, in my view, from the wrong premise, You start from the premise that I had conversations with Mr. Altman about Whitewater. Now, his diary may say that, but my testimony to you today is that I do not have recollections of those conversations, so I cannot even start from that premise. The CHAIRMAN. Your time is up here, and we can come back to this in another round. I do not know if you had a chance to see those diary entries, but have you? Because I want you to have them if you are going to be asked questions about them. Ms. WILLIAMS. They have been read to me, and I understand essentially what they say. The CHAIRMAN. Very good. Thank you. Senator Dodd. OPENING COMMENTS OF SENATOR DODD Senator DODD. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. First of all, Ms. Williams, I think your testimony has been excellent to this point and I would like to bring up one point immediately, because we had some testimony yesterday from one of the members of the Counsel's Office about the length of the February 3 meeting, and someone can check the record for me, but my recollection of less than 24 hours ago is that one of the attorneys said the meeting lasted something like 10 seconds. I do not know whether they were engaging in a little hyperbole to create the impression it was brief. You said no one sat down. That certainly gives me the impression that this was not a meeting of any length at all. Normally, people sit a little bit, So that meeting lasted how long, roughly in your mind, 10-we heard 10 seconds, you said 10 minutes. Obviously, someone is going to make a lot of this, I promise you. We might as well get to it right away, and it sounds to me like you are both probably within the ball park, It was a brief meeting? Ms. WILLIAMS. Brief would be a correct characterization of it. Senator DODD. No one sat down? MS. WILLIAMS. No one sat down. Senator DODD. You do not recall any conversation per se about it? Ms. WILLIAMS. No, I do not. 286 Senator DODD. OK, You clearly recall Mr. Altman calling you to set up that meeting? MS. WILLIAMS. I do recall that, Senator DODD. Mr. Altman says that he believed he called Mr. Ickes. However, I think he also said he could easily be wrong about that, in fairness to him here today. Although he believes he called Mr. Ickes, we can ask Mr. Ickes and I think probably close the loop on that this afternoon.
Berlin Wall Is Sealed Once More
The Berlin Wall is sealed once more as the 17 day pass agreement ends. Westerners say their last goodbyes to East German relatives before returning to free Berlin. During the period nearly a million and a quarter passes were issued to West Berlin residents. Not surprisingly, there wasn't one who decided to defect to Communism. East and West Berlin, Germany Camera pans the Berlin Wall made of bricks and cement and in back of that bar wire. MCUS - A family reunited hugging on the other side of the Berlin Wall. MS - You see the top of the barb wire wall with throngs to get on the other side to see family members in East Berlin. MS - People walking through the opening of the wall from West to East Berlin. MCUS - Someone on the East side of the wall is replacing the barrier to keep the West Berliners out. MS - West Berliners walking next to the Berlin Wall, the father is holding the child in his arms as he walks with his wife.
Roll Out The Barrels
They are jumping for joy at a resort in the Catskills as 20 high-flying speedsters compete in the 14th annual barrel jump. The test draws the crowds to Grossinger's and they see Kenneth LeBel defend his title successfully. Grossinger, New York, Catskill Mts. In the Catskill Mountains a ice skaters are competing in Ice Skating World Jumping Barrel Championships. MS - The first jumper makes a jump over all the barrels. CUS - Spectators are applauding his efforts. MCUS - One of the officials just laid down a 16th barrel. MCUS - Two of the jumpers fall short of the 16th barrel. MCUS - Man from Lake Placid, New York skates and clears all 16 barrels. He is the only one who cleared the barrels and he takes home the trophy as Champion for another year. Winner holding up his arms and the trophy is being awarded by pretty Mary Ann Mobley.