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August 2, 1994 - Part 7
(19:05:41) Why, assuming he had no reason to lie on his impression and he put this, why did you, Deputy Secretary of Treasury confirmed by the Senate, acting CEO of the Resolution Trust Corporation, if this is correct, why would you let Nussbaum, Ickes, and Williams beat up on you or back you down in any way and cause you not to recuse yourself when it seemed to be imminent? Why, Mr. Altman? Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, I did not do so. Senator SHELBY. In other words, this gentleman is wrong and he's lying? Is that what you're saying? Mr. ALTMAN. Mr. Steiner, as you know. did not attend the meeting did attend the meeting. Senator SHELBY. You told him about the meeting, didn't you? Mr. ALTMAN. I did attend the meeting. Senator SHELBY. Did you tell him about your impressions of the meeting? Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, there's testimony under oath from the other participants-let me be very clear. No one asked me not to recuse myself. No one told me the recusal was unacceptable. No one said to me, please don't do that. So the notion that recusal was unacceptable is false. That was not said to me. Senator SHELBY. In other words, what he's saying is not true? Mr. ALTMAN. The reference to unacceptable is not true. Senator SHELBY. Why didn't you recuse yourself? Because they would have been unhappy at the White House-that is Nussbaum, Ickes, Williams- if you bad? Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, let me describe the recusal decision. I went to the meeting having been advised orally and later advised in writing, that there was no legal or ethical requirement to recuse, that it was a purely personal decision. It wasn't an easy decision to make because I was also aware of the argument that I had a duty to serve. Indeed, the Office of Government Ethics Report released on Sunday, questions my decision of recusal and suggests it may have been the wrong decision because in the absence of a legal or ethical requirement to recuse, there is a requirement that you should serve so it wasn't an easy decision, and I admit being Senator SHELBY. It wasn't an easy decision, but it would have been the right decision, wouldn't it? Mr. ALTMAN. I think, I said in my decision, I should have recused myself right off the bat. this Senator SHELBY. It would have been the right decision. I want to ask you about something else. You know, we have a limited amount of time here. Referring to Josh Steiner's diary and at again, I'm quoting it: "Once again, they were concerned out him"-- about you---"turning the RTC people, they didn't know. So Roger Altman did not formally commit himself to stepping down." 450 Turning the RTC, turning someone is changing them some way. in other words, you turn a prisoner. You turn somebody. That iswhat's your interpretation of that phrase? Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, if you look up a little bit, you see-and. you' quoted this a moment. ago-" "agreed to a de facto recusal where the RTC would handle this case like any other and RA," meaning me, would have no involvement.' at was the understanding that the participants in that meeting had. Why did they have that understanding? Because I explicitly told them at the meeting. I did the right thing. I said recusal is irrelevant because I wont be playing any role in. the decisions on this case. I told them not once but twice, and before that meeting, I told that to Ms. Kulka and she testified that I would have no involvement in the case, and that's my point about recusal. It had nothing to do with the RTC investigation. Whether I executed a formal recusal or remained de facto recused, I wasn't going to play any role in that case whatsoever. Senator SHELBY. Why did you duck the question Senator Gramm asked you before this same Banking Committee back in February? Mr. ALTMAN. I did not duck it. Senator SHELBY. You didn't. Mr. Josh Steiner's diary says, and you're familiar with it "they had also asked if staff had met but Roger Altman gracefully ducked the question and did not refer to phone calls he had. The next day The New York Times ran a frontpage story on the meeting. The heat was on. We spent," we spent "a tortured day trying to decide if he, " meaning you "should recuse himself." Was Mr. Steiner working with you at this time? Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, what happened on February Senator SHELBY. Was he working with you at the time? Mr. ALTMAN. No, he was not in direct line responsibility to me. senator SHELBY. You were not around him during this time? Mr. ALTMAN. No. Let me be clear. Mr. Steiner served as my special assistant through the fall of 1993, 1 believe September, but I'm not certain. At that time he was promoted and be became-I might say he's privileged to be Secretary Bentsen's Chief of Staff. So at the time of these discussions, he was Chief of Staff of the Department, not my special assistant.
New Coinage Rushed: Silver Shrinks in Pocket Change
The San Francisco Mint, closed for 10 years, has be reactivated as the nation faces a mounting coin shortage. New coinage will have a muted tinkle since the silver shortage necessarily shrinks the amount in coins. Nice TLS people hopping onto rolling Powell & Market trolley in San Francisco. TLS U.S. mint in San Francisco. Panning MS reporters, press photographers & newsreel cameramen taking picture, flashbulbs snapping. MSs - Mint Director EVA ADAMS standing by minting machine with Mayor of San Francisco JOHN SHELLEY and unidentified man (either Director of Redevelopment Agency Justin Herman or former Mayor George Christopher). CU machine slot in motion. High angle MS coins falling into basket. MS press corps, white man rewinding film in still camera. MS Eva Adams posing for press with unidentified white man (Herman or Christopher). Tilting MS coinage traveling along slow-moving spindle. CU hand stirring coins in tray, coins falling from chute. MS African-American man standing at chute.
Pint-Size Pros: Conn. Team Wins Little League Title
There are 20,000 Little League fans on hand at Williamsport, Pa., for the World Championship for small fry. A team from Windsor Locks, Connecticut, outscores a team from across the border, Canada, to take the biggest crown in younger set competition. TLS crowd in stands at Howard J. Lamade Stadium. TLS Stony Creek team of Canada posing in dugout, boys in baseball uniforms. TLS Windsor Lock, Connecticut, team posing in dugout. Excellent panning TLS man using jet pack (jetpack, rocket pack, jet harness, rocket belt) to propel himself from ball field, then flying high over park, then landing safely-- note that this is the same year that "Thunderball" was released, which featured several scenes with a Bell jetpack; this is also a predecessor to the famous Rocket man stunt promotion of today. High angle LS spectators in stands. MS Canadian boy pitching. H/a LS Stony Creek pitch, batter hitting home run, running bases, being congratulated by teammates. H/a Windsor Locks player hitting single, runner crossing home plate. TLS audience in stands, but one African-American couple in the whole lot. MS Windsor Locks pitcher winding up on mound; h/a LS pitch, striking out batter; players celebrate on field, throwing gloves into the air. TLS manual scoreboard. H/a TLS Windsor Locks players celebrating on field in mass huddle.
August 2, 1994 - Part 7
(19:10:50) Sure we interact a lot. I have a high regard for Mr. Steiner. In fact, what I want to say here is he's one of the best people I ever met. But what happened on February 25, was that I decided in the morning to recuse myself. We spent a bunch of time-I remember calling Mr. DeVore on the phone two or three times, although, he was then retired in Texas, not retired but moved to Texas-trying to figure out the best way to release the decision, should we put it out on the wires, should we issue a press release, should we tell a single reporter. That's what we did on February 25. 1 did the right thing. When I was asked-when I decided to recuse myself, I didn't consult with anybody. I didn't seek any body's permission. I did it. Senator SHELBY. But when you finally decided to recuse yourself it was after these meetings and suggestions by staff and everybody else, wasn't it? Mr. ALTMAN. Senator Shelby, I think the salient point is that I wasn't going to play any role on the decisions in the case. Mr. 451 Steiner's own diary says, "agreed to a de facto recusal where the RTC would handle this case like any other" and I "would have no involvement." Senator SHELBY. If you weren't going to play any role, why didn't you recuse yourself and step aside? Mr. ALTMAN. I probably should have done so 3 weeks earlier. Senator SHELBY. My time is up. The CHAIRMAN. I think somewhere along the time-I don't mean to trespass on Senator Mack's time-but we're going to have to get an explanation as to all of the agony about this decision, I mean why it was was on, off and takes up this length of time. It's that whole time period, but we're going to have to understand that a lot better than we understand it now. Senator Mack. Senator MACK. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Altman, I want to go back to that very short memo from Ms. Hanson, on September 30, regarding the Madison matter. It's very short and makes reference to her meeting at the White House at least I believe it does and it goes on to ask, and I quote, "Is there anything more that you think we should be doing?" You don't think you told her to do this and never saw the memo? Mr. ALTMAN. Senator Mack, what I tried to say before is that to me, this memo says, I've advised some people of an impending press story attached right here, Senator MACK. I beard your testimony. Again, all I'm asking you is that you don't believe that you got the memo; right? Mr. ALTMAN. I don't recall getting the memo, but I may have. Senator MACK. The second point is that you don't believe that the "we" is an indication to you that she's been working with you on these matters? Mr. ALTMAN. It says, "is there anything else you think we should be doing, " which I believe modifies the impending press story. Is there anything else we should be doing about this impending press story? That's what this says . Senator MACK. I'll get back to that in a minute. I do find that interesting. If we believe you and not her, we have to believe that she wrote you this memo for no reason at all, on a case which you knew nothing about, on a case you wanted to stay away from and reported back to you just for the heck of it. In other words, she was setting you up. Mr. ALTMAN. I don't believe that's what happened, Senator. Senator Mack. I want to ask you about another meeting. Mr. Roelle's testified that he was in your office and overheard you tell Ms. Hanson on October 6, 1993, to tell "Jack, Bernie, and the Sec- retary about the possibility of leaks," but, I guess you think he was mistaken. You don't have any knowledge of that either. Mr. ALTMAN. I don't recollect asking Ms. Hanson to go to the White House to discuss the criminal referrals, no, Sir. Senator MACK. This is not that meeting. This is October 6. That Supposedly took place on the 27th. Mr. ALTMAN. I believe that the participants in the October meeting have all testified under oath that I bad nothing to do with that meeting. I believe that was their testimony 452 Senator MACK. I'm getting to what Mr. Roelle said, Mr. Roelle's testimony. The question was "do you recall who he " Mr. Altman "told her Ms. Hanson to call?" The response was "yeah, he said call Jack, Bernie and the Secretary." Now, here's the situation for me Mr. ALTMAN. Is that the October meeting? Senator MACK. This is the October 6 meeting in your office, telephone call to Ms. Hanson, right. The response again to the question is "yeah, be said call Jack, Bernie, and the Secretary." Mr. ALTMAN. I'm not sure what your question is, Senator. Senator MACK. My question here is, you have been testifying Cut don't know anything about this. We're supposed to believe you, we now have Ms. Hanson who believes that you got a call from Roelle and you told Roelle to call Ms. Hanson to give her the details on this conversation.
Mt. Kennedy: Brother Climbs Memorial Park
In the rugged Yukon Territory, few miles north of the British Columbia border, the Canadian Government has named an unsheltered mountain as a memorial to President John F. Kennedy. The first man to climb the peak is Senator Robert Kennedy, who carries the family flag to top and plants it where no man has ever trod before. Senator Kennedy had never climbed a mountain before. He says he will never climb another. Yukon, Canada Aerial of the snow covered mountains, sunny day. LS Helicopter hovering over Mountt Kennedy. CU Inside the helicopter cock pit. CU Helicopter landing a the foot of Mr. Kennedy. MS Robert Kennedy all bundled up. LS Base camp #1. CU Robert Kennedy packing up his back pack with supplies. CU Robert Kennedy getting rope instruction from one of the mountain climbing guides. Robert Kennedy wearing snow shoes and carrying his back pack slowly making it up the mountain. Robert Kennedy sitting on the snow, wearing gloves, sun goggles a down feathered vest and no shirt, his bare arms are exposed eating nuts or dehydrated meat. Robert Kennedy making it up Mt. Kennedy carrying a flag with his families crest on it, he is still wearing just a sleeveless vest with no shirt or any other winter protection. LS Robert Kennedy and his group almost to the top of Mt. Kennedy.
United States Wins Gymnastic Meet
The U.S. rarely takes part in gymnastics on an international scale, but an American team takes on one from Britain and comes out winner. Uncle Sam's gymnasts did not so well in the Olympics but it looks like they are training seriously and mean to make a better showing next time around in Mexico City. London A male gymnast, Bob Williams on rings. CU Marie Walter of the US on uneven parallel bars. MS Audience applauding. Marie's performance. Mary Prestage on the uneven parallel bars with her pony tail waving in the wind. Marie Walter on the balance beam. Jim Pancock on the Pommel Horse. Beverly Avery jumping up and down on the Trampoline. One of the women goes over the vault and takes a fall. One of the men athlete s on the Trampoline and he is jumping and spinning and putting on a good performance.,
Bomb Rips United States Embassy
See also catalog # 529489 Vietcong terrorism hits at the U.S. Embassy in Saigon as a bomb explodes in front of the building after it was planted in a parked car. Two Americans and eleven South Vietnamese were killed. 183 injured, many seriously. The cameraman records the scene as rescue workers ignore danger to probe the wreckage for the wounded. Most of the Vietnamese dead were passersby or workers on the first floor of the Embassy. Reaction to the outrage was one of dismay and shock in Washington. President Johnson said the bombing would serve to reinforce the Administration s determination to give more help to South Vietnam. Saigon, Vietnam Cars are smashed up there's a pedestrian running and a ambulance pulling up. CU - Two men one holding a hankie in his hand near his ear and the other one holding a hankie on his eye. Both men are full of blood. CU - A man wearing a white shirt and tie just full of blood being led away by a man and a woman. MS - Two men helping another man whose been injured and full of blood away from the building. CU - A woman who was probably working nearby bleeding from her ear. MS - Man walking holding a hankie to his mouth his face and cloths are full of blood. CU - A European man with a bandage wrapping around his eyes being helped and led to medical treatment by two military soldiers. CU - One man full of blood on a stretcher being carried away on a stretcher smoking a cigarette. MS - Firemen putting out a car that's on fire. MS - A demolished station wagon and other cars that got caught in the reign of terror. MS - A destroyed office building. CU - A floor being hosed down and the water has plenty of blood in it. Camera panning - Office building that suffered a great deal of damage. It has a shredded American Flag on the roof that has been damaged by the bombing.
Chile Digs Out After Earthquake: Hundreds Dead In Earthquake
The worst earthquake since the Alaskan disaster shakes Central Chile for 90 seconds. In those fleeting moments 300 persons lost their lives. 20,000 were made homeless. Hardest hit was the mining town of El Cobre, north of Santiago. There, a mud dam containing millions of tons of mineral waste gave way, sweeping away the village. Chile Men standing on a hill with a lot of dust filling the air. People walking around the side of the earthquake, there is nothing standing. Two men coming to the aid of a injured older woman who has a bandage wrapped around her head. Man carrying a woman out of a car that was injured. The town of El Cobre that looks like it's buried under tons of dirt. Helicopter patrol looking for survivors. Crowd of people who survived the earthquake looking at nothing but empty land. Damaged building. Part of a street that opened up. Mother and child standing outside damaged building. Men cleaning up parts of the buildings that smashed to the ground. Little boy looking at the aftermath of the earthquake. People looking and walking on land with their homes all gone, covered by tons of dirt and mineral waste sweeping it all away like it was never there.
All-American Win: US Horse And Rider Take Grand National
A horse and rider from the colonies give British thoroughbreds their comeuppance as Jay Trump - 20 to 1, wins the Grand National Classic. American-bred, the horse is ridden by an American Tommy Smith. The Yankee - Doodle pair make this the first All-American win in the annals of the Grand National. Spectators in the stands. MS - Queen Elizabeth and her daughter Princess Margaret. MS - Horses getting exercised by jockeys and trainers. Spectators. Queen Elizabeth, (Queen Mom) looking through binoculars. All the horses take off, its the start of the race. Horses with their jockeys jump over the hedge. Horses running down the track. Horses jump over their second hedge and there's a pile up of horses and jockeys. Horses and jockeys jumping over a pond. Horses and jockeys jump over another hedge and 5 jockeys are injured. The leader of the the horses takes a fall when jumping a hedge. J Trump and American horse takes the lead, he is ridden by a American Tommy Smith. J Trump and his jockey Tommy Smith win.
Royal Funeral: Leaders In Tribute To Princess Mary
Death comes to Princess Mary, aunt of Queen Elizabeth. The Royal Family leads the mourners at private services in a church near Leeds. At Westminster Abbey in London, a memorial service is attended by 2,000 distinguished persons, among them the Duke and Duchess of Windsor, marking their first public appearance since he gave up his throne 29 years ago. Leeds Exterior shot of church near Leeds. Princess Margaret and the Duke of Kent. Queen Elizabeth II, in the background, Prince Charles and Prince Philip. Westminster Abbey, London Ladies that look like they belong to some branch of the military. Lady Churchill, turns and smiles. Former Prime Minister MacMillian. Lord and Lady Home, walking briskly past the camera. Former Prime Minister Clemet Attlee, wearing a top hat and walking with a cane. Lord Earl Louis Mountbatten. Prime Minister Harold Wilson. Leeds Duke and Duchess of Winsor. Princess Mary's coffin is laid down on the ground by the attendants. Family members queue up to pay their last respects, leading the way is Queen Elizabeth, Queen Mum. encircling her casket.
Ah, Spring! Circus Opening Makes It Official
This mixed-up spring is enough to drive an early Robin to his psychiatrist - but that faithful harbinger - the circus, rolls into New York right on schedule. Proof positive that Spring Is Here! When The Greatest Show On Earth ends its 39-day engagement in Madison Square Garden it hits the sawdust trail for children of all ages, all over the land, to see. New York, NY Three Ring Circus, with horses in the rings. Acrobat hanging on the rings doing tricks, while holding on to the ring she keeps twisting her body. Faces of the audience. The trapeze act. Man in the audience looking through binoculars. A lady hung by her hair from the ceiling is juggling. Elephants doing tricks in the center, laying down and standing on their hind legs. High Angle Shot - Audience applauding. Elephants finish their perform by standing on their hind legs.
August 2, 1994 - Part 7
(19:15:50) That call takes place--Ms. Hanson believes that you have tasked her to go to the White House. At her meeting at the White House she informs the White House of the referrals. She comes back and writes a memorandum to you that in essence says, I've done that, is there anything more we can do. There's also a meeting on October 6 with another person saying that you had I knowledge of these things. He informs you about a pre leak and you call Ms. Hanson, get her on the phone, and say, call Jack, Bernie, and the Secretary. So all I'm saying is that this really calls into question how I can believe the point you're making as opposed to these other two individuals. Mr. ALTMAN. First of all, Senator, this memo we've been discussing, at least in my view, does not confirm that Ms. Hanson went to the White House and talked about criminal referrals in September. It doesn't have anything to do with that. That's what you just said, Senator. You said it confirmed it. Second of all, Senator-if I may say, none of the participants in this second meeting, the October meeting, and you said this was an October reference. Senator MACK. October 6 in your office. Mr. ALTMAN. None of the participants in the second meeting have said they bad their meeting at the White House, I believe it was October 14, at my request. Not one person has said that. Senator MACK. All I'm trying to establish is that there's another person out there that says that you're more involved in this than you are admitting to. I mean, we have Jean Hanson, she went on at quite some length explaining the situation. Now, you have said that she, in essence, doesn't now what she's talking about; in other words, she's kind of freelancing. But there's another conversation that takes place on October 6, at which point you have gotten information from Mr. Roelle, you then pick up the phone and call Ms. Hanson, and you say to her, call Jack, Bernie, and the Secretary. Do you not recall that. Mr. ALTMAN. First of all, Senator Mack Senator MACK. Do you recall that? Mr. ALTMAN. -The questions that I was asked earlier in regard to this differing recollection with Ms. Hanson, my answer was and my answer is I don't recollect that. I think if I tasked her to do it, I would have remembered it. 453 Senator MACK. Remember, we're now talking about the October 6 meeting. This is a separate meeting. This has nothing to do with the issue of tasking. I'm just asking you the question, Mr. Altman. Do you Mr. ALTMAN. I don't recollect that. Senator MACK. You do not remember that? Mr. ALTMAN. I do not recollect that, no. Senator MACK. At this point we have two people, Ms. Hanson and Mr. Roelle, that have testified under oath that they know of your involvements in these things and you say that you haven't. At that point, I'll just let it go. Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, I believe they have testified that they made me aware of an impending press leak. Senator MACK. Mr. Altman, I asked you the question, do you recall this incident in your office where you picked up the phone and called Ms. Hanson? Mr. ALTMAN. No, Senator, I don't. Senator MACK. To speak to Jack, Bernie, and the Secretary? Mr. ALTMAN. I don't recall that. Senator SARBANES. Senator Mack, you still have some time. Senator DAMATO. Yield to Senator Gramm? Senator MACK, Certainly, If be wishes to, I'd be glad to. Senator GRAMM. I appreciate Senator Mack yielding. Let me go back, Mr. Nussbaum, to this Steiney diary very briefly. He writes in his diary that you bad orginally decided to recuse yourself but under intense pressure from the White House, you bad decided to delay a final decision. And then he says that at a fateful White House meeting, which we know is the February 2 meeting with Nussbaum, Ickes, and Williams, however, the White House told Roger Altman that his recusal was unacceptable. IWe have a deposition from Maggie Williams about the February 3 meeting, the meeting which was apparent] too unimportant to disclose to this Committee, and here's what she says: "Well, Roger called me and be said to me, I have decided not to recuse and I want to tell some people-I wanted to tell some people in the White House that and then he said I'm on my way to this meeting, but I would like to get a few people together and tell them, and I thought OK And he said, could you grab a few people or call a few people, le, and I said OK" Now, who is this Maggie Williams? Mr. ALTMAN. Margaret Williams is the First Lady's Chief of Staff. Senator GRAMM. You called the Chief of Staff of the First Lady of the United States to ask her to get a few people together at the White House so you could tell them you weren't going to recuse Yourself. Why?
No Life on Mars: Mariner IV Photos Show Barren Planet
Tracking stations are the cogs that made the Mariner IV flight a success. Like this one in Spain they receive pieces and bits of information from the Satellite's tape recorder that are translated into the most remarkable space pictures ever made. Tilt down from sky to tracking station in desert. TLS/MS's - satellite dish at tracking station. Panning TLS technicians working in information hub. CU man talking into headset. CU oscilloscope. MS teletype machine, zoom into CU tickertape feeding out on left-hand side. MS technician reviewing charts at data tape machines, zoom in to CU Memorex data tape spinning slowly on machine. CU man smiling, wearing communications headset. MS teletype machine. CUs flashing computer dials, buttons, counters, electrical boards, etc. Satellite photos of Martian surface. Control room, station.
Spain, Australia Win: US Tennis Titles Again Go Abroad
US OPEN Manuel Santana Becomes the first player from Spain ever to win the tennis championship of the United States and Margaret Smith of Australia proves that she is Top woman player as she adds the American title to the Wimbledon crown she already wears. Santana sets back Cliff Drysdale of South Africa, while Miss Smith takes the measure of Billie Jean Moffitt (Billie Jean King) of the United States. US Woman's Singles. High Angle Shot - Tennis Fans MS - Margaret Smith serving. High Angle Shot - Match point and Margaret Smith takes the title. High Angle Shot - Cliff Drysdale of South Africa serves to Manuel Santana of Spain. MS - Santana serves. High Angle Shot - Drysdale of South Africa serves. High Angle Shot - Fans applauding. High Angle Shot - Match point, Santana serves and he wins. CUS - Manuel Santana holding his wining loving cup trophy.
Kashmiri War Ends: India-Pakistan Bow To UN Cease-Fire
The lights burn late at the United Nations - beacons that illuminate the road to peace. The Security Council receives word from Pakistan that they will join India in accepting the UNs order for a cease-fire in the Kashmiri War. The acceptance comes just minutes before the 3 AM, deadline set by the UN. Earlier the General Assembly voted for a new President and Italy's Amintore Fanfani is the almost-unanimous choice. He will greet Pope Paul who is shown in Rome presiding at the Fourth Session of Vatican Council Two. New York, New York Silhouette of New York City in the evening, lights are on in the windows in the United Nations building. High Angle shot - Inside the United Nations dignitaries have their heads together. MS Ambassador Arthur Goldberg in a huddle with other envoys. MS India's ambassador. CUS Pakistan's ambassador. High Angle Wide shot od UN. MS US Ambassador Arthur Goldberg. Wide shot - UNs general assembly in session. Vatican City, Rome, Italy MS - Wide Angle shot - Christian Pilgrims in St. Peter's square in Vatican City, Rome. MS - Pope Paul VI sitting in St. Peter's Chair reading a Declaration of Liberty.
August 2, 1994 - Part 7
(19:20:52) Mr. ALTMAN. No, sir, I don't believe I did. My testimony is Senator GRAMM. She said this under oath. Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, my testimony is I called Mr. Ickes, and I 'had a brief conversation with Mr. Ickes. I don't recall Ms. Williams being there. I'm sorry, but I don't. Senator GRAMM. She is talking about the February 3 meeting. She says you called her and that you said to be ' decided to recuse and that she ought to get some people together be- 454 cause you wanted to come over to the White House and tell them. Why the Chief of Staff of the First Lady? Was that the source of the political pressure? Was that the intense pressure? Was that the source of the statement that it was unacceptable? I think people want to know why you would call the Chief of Staff of the First Lady to get a meeting together so you could go back to the White House, one day after you bad said you wanted to recuse yourself and they had asked you to reconsider it. I think people would want to know why the First Lady's Chief of Staff. Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, I'd like to make two points. Senator GRAMM. I have Hanson's corroborating statement, Senator SASSER. Mr. Chairman, I think this witness ought to be extended the courtesy of the Senate and allow him to finish his an. swers. Senator SARBANES. I agree-let me just rule on that. Certainly he'll be entitled to answer. If Senator Gramm can finish the question and then we'll let Mr. Altman respond. Senator GRAMM. The only point I want to make is that we not only have the sworn statement from Maggie Williams, but we have corroboration from a sworn statement by Jean Hanson about the meeting. Now I'd be happy to listen. Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, my testimony is I called Mr. Ickes. He and I were going to be attending the same meeting together, I believe it was a Health Care meeting but I'm not sure. I'd like to speak to him a moment or two before the meeting. I did speak to him a moment or two before the meeting and I said that I was not going to recuse myself for the time being. That is what happened. Senator GRAMM. That was the meeting on the 2nd. This is the 3rd, the 3rd of February that I am referring to. Mr. ALTMAN. No, no, no, Senator. I'm referring to the 3rd of February or whatever the date is of that second communication. If I might also add, Senator Gramm Senator SARBANES. Let Mr. Altman finish. Mr. ALTMAN. If I might also add, you referred to this concept of unacceptable. I think you have testimony under oath from each of the participants in the meeting. I don't believe that any of the participants in that meeting said I was told the recusal was unacceptable. I was not told that. I was not told not to recuse myself I wasn't told please don't do it. I wasn't told anything of that ilk. Senator GRAMM. I'll come back to this on my time, but here's the point. Maggie Williams says under oath that you called her and asked for the meeting. You're now in disagreement not just with what Ms. Hanson says under oath and with what Mr. Roelle says under oath, but now you're in disagreement with what Ms. Williams says under oath . And I'm not the person using the terms - unacceptable" or "intense." This is a Yale and Oxford graduate who is schooled in rhetoric, writing from the heart in his own private journal, and you would have us believe that from the heart he is questionable. But when you were before us, with real questions about whether you have lied to Congress, you assert that you are more credible than this young man's heart? Totally unbelievable. Mr. ALTMAN. First of all, Senator Gramm, I did not lie to Congress. Second of all Senator GRAMM. Hanson, Roelle, and Williams lied to Congress? 455 Senator BOXER. Mr. Chairman, I think this witness is really being treated badly by Senator Gramm. en Senator GRAMM. You've been very liberal and I yield- The CHAIRMAN. I think Mr. Altman ought to be allowed to re- spond fully to this line of questioning and then we'll go to Senator Kerry who is next, Mr. ALTMAN. I'd like to respond in the best way I can to Senator Gramm. Senator, there was a discussion on the date of February 3 or approximately that date, yes, there was and the discussion did consist of my saying that I wasn't going to recuse myself self for the time being. Those are facts. I recall that I called Mr. Ickes and that my discussion was with Mr. Ickes. Ms. Williams apparently recalls it differently.
Art Conviction: Prisoners Hold Own Art Show.
Inmates of the California Prison Hospital put on their own art show - an exhibit that is visited by 10,000 outsiders. Stone walls do not a prison make -- that's the picture these men paint to prove that nothing imprisons a man's sprit or imaginations. San Francisco, California The Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco. MS Prison gates opening and a small crowd of people start to walk in. Inside the prison there is an art exhibit set up with the opportunity to purchase maybe great works of art. Lady admiring a seascape painting. A prize ribbon hanging of a piece of modern art. Painting of a man. Abstract painting of a woman. The halls are filled with people looking at the art.
Small Guns, Big Broadsides
The Small Fry at the Naval Academy - sons of personnel - put on their annual boxing fest. and they swing like there was no tomorrow. The kids have their ups and downs, but they prove they can lick a spoon of ice cream. Annapolis, Maryland Opening shot - Over a hundred little boys ranging from 3 years old and up to maybe 13 years old jumping up and down wearing huge boxing gloves. One cute little boy sitting in the boxers corner of a boxing ring. A little boy mimics ringing the boxing bell in sing with the actual ring. Two little boys boxing. CU - A very pretty little girl. A little boy wearing a sailors suit eating ice cream. Two little boys boxing one gets hit in the arm and it hurts so he starts to cry walking over to his corner. Little boy still sitting in the bleachers eating his ice cream.
Around The World Easter Morning
Easter, with its message of Hope for mankind, is celebrated through out the Christian world. The ways are many, from sunrise services in the natural glory of Yosemite National Park to Saint Peter's Square, Rome, where half a million people hear Pope Paul VI plead for peace. President and Mrs. Lyndon Johnson attend services in a small church in Texas. New York, of course has its famous Easter Parade on Fifth Avenue. Opening shot - Easter in the Yosemite Park at sunrise, Nevada. Rome, Italy. Pope Paul the VI sitting on St. Peter's Chair taken out to the people, blessing them on a rainy Easter Sunday. A church in a small New England town with people going to church. Interior of the church during a service. Marquee - Hollywood Bowl, California Easter Sunrise Service - April 18, 5 AM. The choir members are dressed in white robes and are standing in the sign of a cross. In Blacko, Texas parish members standing out side the small Episcopal Church, St. Michael And All Angels. President Johnson shaking hands with the Pastor of his church and then Lady Bird walks up to him and the Pastor of the church shakes her hand. High-Angle Shot - New York, NY St. Patrick's Cathedral and all the ladies are wearing their Easter Bonnets to church. People coming out of St. Patrick's Church after Easter Sunday Mass.
Hitchcock Presents: Tips On Movies To Newspaper Editors
Film Producer Alfred Hitchcock addresses the August American Society of Newspaper Editions in Washington, D.C., with the same irreverence that he shows to all audiences. He gives away few secrets of film-making, but makes cogent points about the difference between his job and that of the Editors. Newspaper editors sitting at tables celebrating the presence of Film Producer - Alfred Hitchcock. Camera panning - Editors sitting at their tables. Film Producer Alfred Hitchcock standing at the podium addressing his newspaper friends and editors. Alfred Hitchcock, "Good evening. Good evening Members of the American Society of Newspaper Editors. It is an honor to address an organization whose name has such an air of distinction about it. I feel a great kinship with you people, after all, both of us are engaged in reporting the world as we see it. I assume after invited me here to speak you expect me to discuss my work. After all when Sergeant Schreiber was here he spoke on his work in the war on poverty. When Secretary McNamara was your guest, he reported on his job in the Defense Department. So it is only natural that I should talk about murder. Of course I shall make some mention of my avocation, the making of films for television and theatrics. I hope you haven't grown tired of this subject. I believe your readers still enjoy hearing about Hollywood. That far country where Social Security means that Heda Hopper speaks to you. The aim of a good newspaper is truth, the aim of a movie maker is to create a lie. It may be so real that you think that its happening this very moment, but a lie non the less. Glorious, thrilling and exciting lie. This is achieved by a process of putting pieces of film together to create a single thought in the mind of the audience. May I say I rejoice that we live in a country where the manipulation of words and images to achieve a desired effect on a audience is my business and not yours. Thank you."
Queen Celebrates Birthday
There is a family at Winsor England celebrating a birthday and its a right and royal celebration. The Queen's family has congratulations for Elizabeth who is marking her 39th birthday with some informal poses, surrounded by husband and children. Queen Elizabeth, Prince Phillip, Princess Anne, Prince Charles, Prince Andrew and Prince Edward in the pram all pose for an informal portrait. Let's not forget the family's Welsh Corgi. Exterior shot - Winsor Castle, the Royal family is standing by the pond, CU Prince Charles and Prince Philip. CU Princess Anne and Queen Elizabeth. CU Prince Edward sitting in his pram, he is around a year old. CU Prince Andrew - Maybe around 6 or 7, standing in front of Prince Philip. MS Princess Anne, Queen Elizabeth, Prince Charles and little Prince Edward sitting in his pram. MS - Queen Elizabeth holding Prince Edward and Prince Andrew offers the baby a flower. CU Prince Andrew's legs crossed. CU - Welsh Corgi and the camera pans up to Prince Edward being held by Prince Philip. MS The Royal family strolling down the path for a walk. MS - Prince Andrew climbing a hill covered by flowers. CU Welsh Corgi walking around.
LBJ Crowns Queen: Luci Holds Court At Azalea Fete
It's a cool 48 degrees in Norfolk, Virginia, but the Queen of the Azalea Festival warms things up with her radiant smile. The Queen is Luci Baines Johnson and her father (The President) does the crowning. Then a kiss for the Queen from her most loyal subject, the President! A large float coming towards the camera. Sitting on top of the float is Luci Baines Johnson. Children waving at Luci Baines Johnson. Secret Service helping down the young Luci Baines Johnson off the float. Throngs are crowded to into the amphitheater. The President and Mrs. Johnson. All the young ladies and their military escorts awaiting the crowning of the Azalea Queen. Luci Baines Johnson with a big smile on her face. President Johnson placing the crown on his daughters head declaring she is the new Azalea Queen. Luci giving her father a kiss on the cheek.
August 2, 1994 - Part 7
(19:25:30) I agree with her on the essence of the conversation. I just believe I called Mr. Ickes and she believes I called her. People's recollections can differ. There'snothing unusual about that. Yes, there was the discussion, Senator GRAMM. You didn't recall this at all when you testified on February 24. You didn't recall this meeting at all. The CHAIRMAN. I think we can't continue the exchange here and stay within our time periods and we had another opportunity to do this but you've had a chance to put your statement on the record. Senator Kerry. Senator KERRY. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Let me review in my own mind maybe by way of helping myself if I think out loud a little bit. I think folks might be wondering Core we're going and where we are. I think we're reduced to a couple of questions here in front of the Committee. What's important is not only what we're trying to find out at this point about these two areas of concern, but also what we've already found out. Specifically, many of the earlier allegations and assumptions about Whitewater and the White House in this effort are not being borne out by the evidence. There's no evidence whatsoever by anybody in any statement that we're now referring to that the President of the United States or Mrs. Clinton somehow tried to affect the outcome of this investigation. In fact, to the contrary, the only evidence in front of us is from Ms. Kulka and Mr. Ryan that the investigation intensified. We know that the President, in fact, signed a statute of limitations, against his own interest, to continue the investigation. We know that there is no evidence whatsoever of the White House specifically interfering with the investigation. We're really reduced to two issues in front of this Committee, fundamentally two issues. One is Mr. Altman's testimony and the question of whether or not we find there was reason to believe the testimony wasn't accurate. And no. 2, 1 think this is a very impor- tant area whether-the whole recusal issues, the contacts with the White House. What was the impact of those contacts in the White House? We know that they didn't affect the investigation per se. Some try to allege that because the private attorney, Mr. Kendall, had knowledge and could give it to the President. But because the President signed the statute of limitations, whatever knowledge he had was rendered totally moot. The knowledge, if any, didn't affect it, so again we come back, no impact on the investigation. 456 So the issue is really was there an intent? Was there in the lack of recusal, was there in the meetings, was there in this back-and-forth something improper, notwithstanding the findings of the Committee of the various investigations on ethics, et cetera? I want to try to explore those two areas, which I think are the center of focus and concern and which are considerably different from what many had alleged, I might add. Now, let me just try to clarify this, if I can, Mr. Secretary'. Did you task, or did you ask, or did you instruct, or give any form of order or direction. to Ms. Hanson with respect to contacts with the White House? Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, I do not recall asking Ms. Hanson to go to the White House in connection with the September meeting. Senator KERRY. To call the White House, to telephone the White House, to inform the White House. Mr. ALTMAN. Is your question in relation to Madison Guaranty or any other Senator KERRY. With respect to any aspect of the Rose Law Firm, Madison Guaranty or Whitewater. Mr. ALTMAN. I don't believe so, but if we can agree Whitewater is a land deal in Arkansas. I don't know anything about that and I don't think Ms. Hanson does either. So the issue here I think is Madison Guaranty, and I believe the answer is I don't think so. I don't think I did. Senator KERRY. Let me ask you, if you could take a look-could we have the Roelle deposition delivered to the witness? I'd ask you to take a look at this deposition, page 65, where Mr. Roelle is testi- fying that he was having a meeting with you on October 6, and this is a sworn deposition under oath to the Committee, and he says: "It was just me and Mr. Altman, and he called Ms. Hanson on the phone." He also says, "To the best of your memory who said what to whom during this conversation. I just told him about it and he said OK and he called Ms. Hanson and told her about it."
Celtics Take Seventh Straight Lakers loose
The Boston Celtics get off to a bouncy start as they get going against the Los Angeles Lakers for the National Basketball Crown. The Celtics need this game for their seventh straight title and they take the title easily, scoring 42 points in the last period for a record. The Celtics give Boston something to brag about. Never mind those famous Baked Beans. Sam Jones bouncing the ball down court, stops, and makes a basket. Fans applauding. MS - Sam Jones, No. #24 is passed the ball again, and he makes another basket. High-Angle Shot - Casey Jones, No. # 25 is passed the ball, and he makes a basket. High-Angle Shot - The Lakers get the ball and they score a basket. High-Angle Shot - Tom Sanders, No. #16 does a little razzle dazzle and makes a basket for the Celtics. High-Angle Shot - Boston Celtics break loose and they score 42 points. MS - Sam Jones takes the ball and lets it go with a hoop.