"Violence at the Pentagon, more than 600 persons arrested, and the general feeling that everyone lost are the parts and sum of a two-day anti-Vietnam-War demonstration in the nation's capital." Washington DC Aerial shot protesters gathered outside the Lincoln Memorial. TLS crowd at Washington Mall, Washington Monument in BG. MS angry young white man being carted off by crowd on steps of Lincoln Memorial, young man yelling. MS anti-war protesters marching carrying banner that reads, "Support Our GIs. Bring (Them Home)." Aerial shots anti-war marchers crossing the Potomac River via bridge. TLS/MSs Military Police (MPs) attempting to contain the crowd outside Pentagon by forming protective line, hauling some unruly protesters inside. Panning TLS horde of armed (rifles affixed with bayonets) MPs descending from steps of Pentagon to reinforce others. TLS three men in white helmets taking away protester carrying American flag. MSs armed MPs forming protective line. MS anti-war protesters sitting in front of campfire at base of Pentagon steps, attempting to keep warm the day after. MSs Caucasian youth demonstrators at a sit-in, encircled by MPs. MCU young white man with beard & glasses, wearing suit with a carnation lapel. MS military police of a similar age to the protesters standing guard. Good dichotomy.
(11:50:38) Senator SHELBY. Mr. Ryan, when did you first learn of the Feb ruary 2 1994, meeting between the White House and Mr. Altman? 24 Mr. RYAN. I learned about that meeting in the meetings the RTC staff held with Mr. Altman to help prepare him for the oversight hearings before this Committee. Senator SHELBY. What was your reaction to that meeting when you learned about it? Mr. RYAN. I was surprised that meeting , had occurred. Senator SHELBY. During your tenure of dealing with a regulation like this, have you ever known of any other disclosures like that? Mr. RYAN. No, sir. Senator SHELBY. Isn't it very important to the RTC to keep this kind of information very confidential within the RTC? Mr. RYAN. I think it is, yes, sir. It is a responsibility of- Senator SHELBY, And why is it important? Mr. RYAN. It is important because information concerning such matters could compromise the RTC's ability to bring a case, if that is warranted. Senator SHELBY. Is this especially true if people who might be targets of this investigation Mr. RYAN. Yes, sir. Senator SHELBY. -knew what was going on on the inside of RTC? Mr. RYAN. Yes, sir. Senator SHELBY. Was that why you were surprised that this information had been disseminated to the White House? Mr. RYAN. I'm not making a judgment as to- Senator SHELBY, Just tell me what you thought at the time. Mr. RYAN. I thought that it was a surprising revelation. Senator SHELBY. And highly unusual, wasn't it? Mr. RYAN. And highly unusual, yes, sir. Senator SHELBY. This was confidential information, was it not? Mr. RYAN. That's the problem, I think, Senator, the RTC does leak. I think someone said Senator SHELBY. Was it supposed to he confidential information? Mr. RYAN. It was supposed to be confidential, and the RTC has a responsibility to keep that information confidential as well. The RTC breached that responsibility. Senator SHELBY. Who breached it? Mr. RYAN. I don't know. Senator SHELBY. Have you done an internal investigation to see? Mr. RYAN. Not yet. Senator SHELBY. Were you aware, at any time, of a request made by Mr. Altman that the General Counsel of the RTC, Ms. Kulka, brief the President's private attorney on this? Mr. RYAN. Was I aware? Senator SHELBY. Yes. Mr. RYAN, If she did. Senator SHELBY. No. About the request. Mr. RYAN. I was aware of the request, yes, sir. Senator SHELBY. What was your reaction on learning about that request, that the General Counsel of RTC brief the President of the United States' private attorney-I believe it was Mr, Kendall. Mr. RYAN. Yes, that's correct. Senator SHELBY. What was your reaction? 25 Mr. RYAN. I was surprised at the request and discussed it with the General Counsel. Senator SHELBY. Would asking the General Counsel of the RTC to brief a private attorney of a possible subject in a civil suit, or any other suit, be inconsistent with the regulations that you went by in running the RTC? Mr. RYAN. I assumed all along that at some point in time, a meeting between our lawyer and Mr. Kendall would take place if an action was contemplated. I thought it was premature, as Ms. Kulka has indicated. Senator SHELBY. And highly unusual? Mr. RYAN. Highly unusual. Senator SHELBY. Mrs. Kulka, did Roger Altman or Jean Hanson ever ask you to brief David Kendall on the RTC's investigation of Madison/White water? Ms. KULKA. I received a call from Ms. Hanson where she told me that Roger Altman had requested that I call Mr. Kendall. Senator SHELBY. Do you recall the date of this, briefly? ? Can you refer to your notes, or would you furnish it for the record? Ms. KuLKA. I believe that it was around February 3, 1994. Senator SHELBY. OK Go ahead. Ms. KULKA. She asked me to advise him of the relationship between our potential asking for tolling agreements and the running of the statute of limitations on February 28, 1994, on the Madison matters. Senator SHELBY. Did you brief David Kendall, the President's attorney? Ms. KuLKA. No. Senator SHELBY. Why? Ms. KULKA. I told Ms. Hanson that I didn't think this was the appropriate time to do it because we had formed no conclusions about who might eventually be asked to execute tolling agreements or who might be defendants. Senator SHELBY. Absolutely, Ms. KULKA. And that I thought, at the appropriate time, we would certainly enter into those discussions with attorneys for any possible defendants. Senator SHELBY. What did Mrs. Hanson say to that? Ms. KuLKA. She said, fine, I'll tell Roger. Senator SHELBY. That was the end of it? Did you have a convesation with Mr. Altman, Mr. Roger Altman, regarding this? Ms. KuLKA. I don't believe I did. Senator SHELBY, Mr. Roelle, did you talk with Mr. Roger Altman about this same subject?
Las Vegas (day) - 1977
Reno - (day)
Reno - (day)
Misc. New Mexico, trees, cabin
Gallop Indian Ceremonials
New Mexico flood
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Valley of 10,000 smokes
Mexico - scenics - Barona
Santa Fe, New Mexico and Fiesta
New Mexico, Indian parade & celebration
Kit Carson's home
New Mexico - scenic
Three Navajo men working in small workshop (machine shop). Two men at work bench. One man operates a drilling machine, drilling holes in metal.
New Mexico - misc. - scenic
New Mexico - misc. - scenic
New York 1976 (street, bldg.,taxis)
ON PREVIEW CASSETTE #98854 - 00.00.17 - 00.07.40 (slightly better quality transfer on preview cassette #991871 - 00.02.24 - 00.09.55)) Building entrance- people. Woman in red suit who appears throughout footage. Double Decker buses. Walking amidst pigeons. Crowded streets. People window shopping. "Wright Shoes" storefront. Pan Down Empire State Building. Rockefeller Plaza/ Rockefeller Center. Chrysler Building. Night shots - hotels and theater. Broadway sign lit up.
ON PREVIEW CASSETTE #991525 New York theatre district - night
Practically anything that has a motor and wheels is on display at the International Automobile Show. Something for everyone no matter the size of pocketbook. Customized cars star. A famous limousine is missing, the one made for the Munster s. It's on a nation-wide tour. Detroit, Michigan The North American Automobile Show (previously called the Detroit Auto Show and often abbreviated NAIAS) is an annual automobile show (or auto show) starts out with a High-Angle Shot of the throngs looking at different makes of cars. This looks like a Plaid Corvette with a blower on its hood. A female model sitting and petting a leopard sitting on the top, of the back of the seat in a convertible. People walking around and Landrover. High-Angle Shot - Austin Cooper's cars. Marine Officer looking at a car that was showcased in a movie. It has guns and switches and buttons, the license plates turn over and a gun barrel comes out of a running light. A famous car of the thirties, 'the Cord"
(11:55:46) Mr. ROELLE. No, sir. Senator SHELBY. Not at any time? Mr. ROELLE. No, sir. Senator SHELBY. Were you aware of this conversation you just heard related? Mr. ROELLE. No, sir. I had left the RTC at the end of December and reported back to the FDIC. Senator SHELBY. When you went over each of the nine criminal :referrals with Mrs. Hanson, who was the General Counsel at Treasury, did you go over them in detail? 26 Mr. ROELLE. I went over about a sentence on each one. I had been given an oral set of general statements about each of the criminal referrals. It was followed up by a fax that I got later, I believe the same day, with a one-sentence explanation of each of the criminal referrals. That is what I bad been read over the telephone, and I briefed Ms. Hanson just on the basis of what I had been read over the telephone. Senator SHELBY. Did you tell her this information was confidential and should not be shared, or was that understood? Mr. ROELLE. I didn't use those words. I used the same words I previously stated. I said that I do not believe it should be discussed with anyone, that it should be kept quiet, that this is not something-it is only for Mr. Altman and it is only an advisory to Mr. Altman. I did not admonish, in any way, or say, don't talk to any specific person. It was a general statement that these should be kept quiet. They shouldn't be discussed. Senator SHELBY. Thank you. My time is up. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you. Senator Faircloth. OPENING COMMENTS OF SENATOR LAUCH FAIRCLOTH Senator FAIRCLOTH. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Roelle, in September 1993, you were the Chief The CHAIRMAN. Senator Faircloth, we're not able to hear you, I don't know if that mike is working properly. Maybe you can just speak a little more loudly into it. Senator FAIRCLOTH. How's that? Mr. Roelle, in September 1993, you were the Chief Financial Officer Senator D'AMATO. YOU might use another mike. The CHAiRmAN. I'm not sure that one's working, Senator Faircloth. We'll get it checked in a minute. Senator FAIRcLOTH. Mr. Roelle-can you hear me now? The CHAIRMAN. Yes. Senator FAIRCLOTH. In September 1993, you were the Chief Financial Officer of the RTC. According to the testimonydou gave in your deposition, at that time you told Roger Altman an Jean Hanson about a criminal referral to the Justice Department that named the Clintons. A criminal referral is nonpublic information, isn't it? Mr. ROELLE. That's correct. Senator FAIRCLOTH. According to your testimony, you told Jean Hanson, and I quote: "We need to make sure these are kept confidential." You also testified, you said, "My advice would be not to tell anyone and that these should be kept confidential, that it was only for Mr. Altman's knowledge and was not for any action to be taken." So you believed that this was nonpublic information, and should be kept confidential. Mr. ROELLE. Yes, sir, Senator FAIRCLOTH. You testified in your deposition, that in September 1993, there had been no press inquiries about the criminal referrals that named the Clintons. 27 You also testified there was no indication that a press leak was imminent. Is that correct? Mr. ROELLE. I didn't discuss the imminence of a press leak. I did say, in - the course of that conversation that in all likelihood, the press would get hold of this and it would be leaked because that was the nature of the RTC. But I know of no leak. Senator FAIRCLOTH. You knew of no imminent-you said, or testified there was no indication that a press leak was imminent. Mr. ROELLE. That's correct. Senator FAIRCLOTH. In September 1993, the time that you testified that no press inquiry bad been made about the criminal referrals, and the time when you have testified that there was no indication that a press leak about them was imminent, there was a meeting where the RTC told this nonpublic information to White House officials. Others have testified that the reason they did this was because of an impending press leak. Does the RTC usually brief people named in criminal referrals if they think there's a chance that there may be a press leak? Is this normal procedure?
(12:00:50) Mr. ROELLE. No, sir. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Why did we do it this time? Mr. RoELLE. I have no idea sir. Senator FAIRCLOTH. I'm still a little confused. There bad been no press inquiry about this criminal referral that named the Clintons. And there was no evidence of a press leak. By that standard, the RTC could tell anybody anything they want, so long as they say there is a possibility that there may be a press leak. Is that right? Mr. ROELLE. No, sir. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Has there ever been another case where the RTC gave an i.e., heads-up, in criminal referrals because they thought there might be a press 'leak? Mr. ROELLE. No, sir, not that I'm aware of Senator FAIRCLOTH. This was an all-time first, to notify the Clintons? Mr. ROELLE. Pardon me? Senator FAIRcLOTH. This was an all-time first, to notify the White House? Mr. ROELLE. As far as I know, yes, sir. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Mr. Ryan, have you heard a report prepared by Mississippi attorney Stanley Huggins, known as either the Huggins report or the Garish report? Mr. RYAN. I believe I've heard of that, yes. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Do you know whether or not the RTC or the OTS has that report? (12:02:20)(End of tape #10056)