July 20, 1995 - Part 3
July 20, 1995 - Part 3
(11:55:08) Mr. ROLLA. Basically, they asked me what I could remember. don't believe there were any dates written on the pages. The timeframe, I told them, I believed was post-election, pre-inauguration, and that in one passage I remembered that- and I don't remember word for word. It was obvious that himself and Mrs, Clinton were. 181 close personal friends, a working relationship, were friendly and there was a party-a passage about a party at the Governor's Mansion. There was something else about his daughter leaving the party or something, I believe. Just what 1 could remember. Senator FAIRCLOTH. OK About Foster leaving the party? Mr. ROLLA. No, I think it was his daughter leaving with another friend-going to the party, leaving, I really don't remember. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Mr. Hines, you understood that your Park Police Officers Hume and Markland were having trouble with the White House, and that the White House was preventing them from doing a real investigation. As a result of knowing this, you went to see Tom Collier, Bruce Babbitt's Chief of Staff-, is that right? Mr. HINES. Yes, I did. Senator FAIRCLOTH. You asked his help in getting more cooperation out of the White House for the Park Police; is that correct? Mr. HINES. We told him that we perceived some problems and briefed him on what problems we perceived, and he said that he would look into it. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Are you aware that 2 months later, in September, Mr. Collier hired Webb Hubbell's wife as his special assistant? Mr. Hubbell being one of Mr. Foster's closest friends. Mr. HINES. No, I'm not aware of that, Senator FAIRCLOTH. Did you know that Ms. Hubbell left that job for 11 months, but was allowed to come back to it during the time that Mr. Hubbell was cooperating with the prosecutor? Senator DODD. Mr. Chairman, can I inquire as to the scope of this? The CHAIRMAN. Senator, let's stay within the scope if we can. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Is that out of the scope? The CHAIRMAN. Yes. Senator DODD. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Ms. Braun, Mr. Hubbell said that he and Lisa Foster said they searched for a note, did they tell you that? Did they tell you that they did that? Ms. BRAUN. No, sir. Senator FAIRCLOTH. YOU say no? Ms. BRAUN. No, sir. Senator FAIRCLOTH. They did not tell you. Why don't you think they told you that they were looking for a note and couldn't find it? Ms. BRAUN. I had no contact with anybody from the Foster family or Mr. Hubbell after we left there at 11 p.m, that evening. Senator FAIRCLOTH. After all, at that time they did not know for certain that this was a suicide. Wouldn't they have wanted to get information from you as opposed to pushing you out of the way? Ms. BRAUN. I'm not sure I quite understand the frame of your question there, Senator. Senator FAIRCLOTH. I'm sorry. Ms. BRAUN. I don't understand your question, Senator. Senator FAIRCLOTH. I would have thought they would have been trying to get information from you, rather than moving you aside. Ms. BRAUN, I don't know what was going through their heads, Senator. Senator FAIRCLOTH. All right. Thank you. Time's up. 182 The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Senator. Senator Sarbanes. Senator SARBANES. Senator Boxer. OPENING COMMENTS OF SENATOR BARBARA BOXER Senator BOXER. Thank you very much. Before I turn to the panel of witnesses-and I just want to say welcome and I know this, is not the most pleasant of duties and you are very professional and articulate and very credible-I just want to make a point, and I'd' like to ask the Chairman a question if I could have his attention for a moment. Mr. Chairman? Mr. Chairman, I wanted to ask you a question if I could. I am still concerned about what I view a little bit as selective cooperation from the Independent Counsel regarding the Maggie Williams polygraph result, and it is my understanding that. the polygraph test on Maggie Williams was administered by the FBI under the supervision of the Independent Counsel and that. she took it voluntarily and that her counsel was advised by the Independent Counsel that she passed the test. Now, that's my understanding. Will I be permitted or would other Members of the Committee be permitted to question both Maggie Williams and her attorney regarding that test since we cannot get the actual results of that test?