July 20, 1995 - Part 2
July 20, 1995 - Part 2
(10:45:13) Ms. BRAUN. Yes, sir. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. You left at 11:10. Ms, BRAUN. Yes. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. As has been established here, the office was indeed locked for the evening within a half hour of that request, but no one told you this; correct? Ms. BRAUN. That's correct. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Clearly there was no suggestion of putting some kind of evidence tape over the White House Counsel's suite or any other place in the White House to form a physical barrier that no one could pass? Ms. BRAUN. That wouldn't be reasonable. That wouldn't be what we were looking for. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. The Secret Service was present that evening with the President, and you know that they are responsible for the physical integrity of the White House as well as the President and his family? Ms. BRAUN. Yes, sir. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. If any drastic step was in your mind in terms of affecting the physical integrity of the White House or some portion of it, you knew that the Secret Service would be an appropriate agency to contact? Ms. BRAUN. Yes. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Did either of you talk to Captain Hume or Detective Markland, the two police officers who reported to the White House the next day? Mr. ROLLA. Yes. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. On that evening, on the evening of July 20, 1993? Ms. BRAUN. Not that evening. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Did you talk to them on July 21, 1993, at any point? Ms. BRAUN. Yes, I spoke to Captain Hume. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Did you talk to Detective Markland? Ms. BRAUN. No, I did not. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Major Hines, you indicated that you learned that Mr. Nussbaum and Ms. Williams and Ms. Thomasson entered the White House Counsel's Office on the evening of July 20, 1993 from the newspapers; is that correct? Mr. HINES. Yes, sir. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Did you have any continuing supervisory role in this investigation? 166 Mr. HINES. No, sir, I did not. After the briefing, I had no supervisory role in the investigation. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. We've gone through this question of reports. Let me ask you, Sergeant Braun and Detective Rolla, it is clear, is it not, that there is no reference to a request made of Mr. Watkins in your reports of July 20, 1993; isn't that so? Mr. ROLLA. That's correct. Ms. BRAUN. That's correct. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. You've reviewed your reports carefully? Ms. BRAUN. Yes. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. They have no reference to any conversation with Mr. Watkins? Ms. BRAUN. That's correct. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Major Hines, let me ask that Mr. Markland's report be put on the screen for you. See if you can identify that. We can get you a hard copy of that. It's technology beyond my personal ability to work. I'm a hard copy kind of person, so if the report of Mr. Markland's can be provided to the panel Senator MOSELEY-BRAUN. Mr. Chairman Mr, BEN-VENISTE. It looks a little fuzzy to me. Senator MOSELEY-BRAUN. Mr. Chairman, I understand there's a vote going on right now. The CHAIRMAN. Yes, Senator. I intended to let Mr. Ben-Veniste have at least another 5 minutes and then we'll take a 5-minute break. We have about 10 minutes left on the vote. Senator MOSELEY-BRAUN. All right. Thank you. The CHAIRMAN. Provide the witness with a hard copy. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. This has been identified as Exhibit 29 produced by the Park Police, and it is Detective Markland's report of July 21, 1993, which Detective Markland has testified he prepared on the night of July 21, 1993.