July 19, 1995 - Part 2
July 19, 1995 - Part 2
(12:20:47) Mr. HUBBELL. Let me try to clarify it. We talked about, in the transition, the transfer and getting it done, and we talked about the fact that he was doing the returns and the difficulty of obtaining documentation. The CHAIRMAN. OK. Mr. HUBBELL. But I 123 The CHAIRMAN. All right. I just wanted to-- Senator SIMON. Mr. Chairman, in fairness, I asked the witness whether-I mentioned that he was upset about the Travel Office, and I asked whether he had been concerned, suggesting that he might be upset about Whitewater. Mr. Hubbell responded that he had not expressed concern on that. The CHAIRMAN. Let me pursue that just very quickly. Did he express concern about the documentation in terms of-that was a concern, and you were aware that he was having difficulty in this area, weren't you? Mr. HUBBELL. I guess where I'm trying to explain is yes, he had a concern, but when I'm talking--I believe he was raising it in the context of the things that I thought Vince had blown out of proportion, that being the privacy, the Travel Office, the picture in The Wall Street Journal and the question mark. Those seem to methat Vince was-as now I see it, evidence of the disease he had. Those were the concerns The CHAIRMAN. Primary concerns that you were aware of that were deeply troubling him. Mr. HUBBELL. Right, and what he talked to me about and I thought he had blown out of proportion. The CHAIRMAN. But he did express to you that there was the problem of dealing with the accounting and whatnot on Whitewater; that was of a concern, not of the concern that we're talking about? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes, I didn't mean to imply he never talked The CHAIRMAN. I just thought I'd clarify. Let me, if I might, refer you to the page of notes from Vince Foster's office dealing specifically with Whitewater. It touches on a number of things. It's DKSN 00236; Senator Mack referred to it yesterday. There is a portion that talks about if you did one thing it would open up a can of worms. If we go down to the bottom of the page, number 3, it says, " prior deduction of $48,000 price payment in 1980." Then, it says, "Colorado came up with a theory to justify, but it's shaky. 1) Mr. Lyons, during the campaign, did put out a report, is that not correct, dealing with Whitewater and what the investment was and what it was about, basically? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes, he did. The CHAIRMAN. Is it trite that Mr. Lyons was also referred to as "Colorado"? Mr. HUBBELL. I The CHAIRMAN. I mean, that's his-he comes from Colorado? Mr. HUBBELL. That's the way I would read that note, whether it's Mr. Lyons or the accounting firm in Colorado that he used. The CHAIRMAN. OK, but I mean-and he has been referred to as Colorado? Mr. HUBBELL. Him personally? The CHAIRMAN. Yes. Mr. HUBBELL, I've never heard Jim The CHAIRMAN- You've never heard Jim-but it is safe to assume? Mr. HUBBELL. I assume that's either Jim or the accounting firm he used. 124 The CHAIRMAN. Thank you. I want to yield up to 5 minutes to Senator Faircloth because he wants to finish a point. Senator Faircloth. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Hubbell, this is a very important question and I want you to think, if you will, very carefully. When you were Associate Attor- ney General, were you aware on July 20, 1993, or any time before that, that the FBI or the U.S. Attorney in Little Rock was inves- tigating David Hale? Mr. HUBBELL. I believe that there was something in the paper in Little Rock during the campaign that said that David Hale was under some sort of investigation. Senator DODD. Mr. Chairman, can I inquire, at this point, are we getting beyond the scope? I don't want to keep on raising it- I The CHAIRMAN. I'm going to permit the Senator and any Senator some latitude to see where it's going, and if it goes beyond the scope, then I will say it does. At this point in time, any Member and every Member has a right to refer to somebody for some kind of historical accuracy or picture. So I will ask the Senator to be careful as it relates to the scope. We're not going to go into the Hale matter, but certainly I believe there may be a connection.