July 18, 1995 - Part 3
July 18, 1995 - Part 3
(12:20:43) Mr. HUBBELL. Yes, they did include the McDougals or Madison Guaranty Savings & Loan, That's why I'm trying to make a distinction. I don't recall Vince doing anything with regard to Whitewater, but he did with regard to Madison Savings & Loan. Mr. CHERTOFF, What was Mr. Foster doing in 1992 at the Rose Law Firm regarding assisting the campaign concerning Madison Guaranty Savings & Loan? Mr. HUBBELL. Questions-the campaign or the firm might receive questions from the media or inquiries from the media regarding Madison, and we might, for example, get a list of questions that are being asked. We would be asked to help provide answers to those questions. Vince, I know in the case of Madison, helped me in assimilating the files and making the determinations of what we could tell the campaign and what we couldn't tell the campaign. Mr. CHERTOFF, Now, were these questions originally generated, to your knowledge, by a number of press stories in the spring of 1992? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes, they were. Mr. CHERTOFF. Did Mrs. Clinton work with you and Mr. Foster in developing answers to those questions? Mr. HUBBFLL. Our contact with Mrs. Clinton was very limited because she was on the road quite a bit, so it was primarily working with the campaign, Mr. CHERTOFF. With whom did you work at the campaign? Mr. HUBBELL. Betsey Wright on this issue. There were other people who were working with Betsey, and I suspect many other people from time to time, but Betsey would be the primary person that we would work with. Mr. CHERTOFF, Now, you indicated that part of what you and Mr, Foster were doing at this point in the campaign was assimilating and going through documents that had been collected at the firm. Were those all legal documents based on the firm's legal work or were they documents collected from outside sources? Mr. HUBBELL. With regard to Madison, they were legal documents within the firm. Mr. CHERTOFF. With regard to Whitewater? Mr. HUBBELL. With regard to Whitewater, it was my understanding that other members of the firm had been assimilating things such as real estate records and things of that sort, Mr. CHERTOFF. Were these internal firm real estate records or were they records that were obtained by going to outside sources? Mr. HUBBELL. They were not internal of the firm, They were from going to outside sources, such as the county clerk where Whitewater was located, 48 Mr. CHERTOFF. So is it fair to say that members or employees of the firm were actually in the process of collecting information about Whitewater in order to furnish these answers? Mr. HUBBELL. That's my understanding. Mr. CHERTOFF. Now, what ultimately happened to these files that were used in the campaign and worked on by you and Mr Foster after the campaign was over? Mr. HUBBELL. They were ultimately delivered to David. Kendall Prior to that, I took possession of those files and had them for a considerable length of time. Mr. CHERTOFF. Now, when you say "those files," to be clear, you mean all the files that the firm had retained? Mr. HUBBELL. No, I'm sorry. Maybe it will help-there were files of the firm that-remained at the firm. There were files-the files though, that were being maintained at the campaign headquarters are the files that I'm saying I took possession of after the campaign and ultimately delivered to David Kendall. Mr. CHERTOFF. Did those files also include references to Whitewater and Madison Guaranty Savings & Loan? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes, they did. Mr. CHERTOFF. Did you deliver them directly to Williams & Connolly? Mr. HUBBELL. David Kendall and an employee of Williams & Connolly actually came to my home here in Washington and picked them up. Mr. CHERTOFF. When was that? Mr. HUBBELL. November 1993. Mr. CHERTOFF. Is it fair to say that for almost a year after the campaign you kept the documents at your home? Mr. HUBBELL. My home in Washington or my home in Little Rock, yes, Mr. CHERTOFF. Why was that? Mr. HUBBELL. The records I first took into my possession because the transition had not made a determination on where those records should be stowed, and we wanted to, to the extent some of the records had the attorney- client privilege protection, we wanted to maintain that ability, if necessary. There were lawsuits being filed against Betsey and others during the transition, so we wanted to maintain the privilege. So, then, once we came here, the determination had to be made as to where were we going to store them. Then, the decision was made, bring them to Washington. Then, how do you get them here. We decided to wait until I moved and could bring them with me, and then I would get them to the Counsel for the President arid First Lady. Mr. CHERTOFF. Were all the documents that were transferred to you from the campaign attorney-client privileged documents? In other words, did you restrict the transfer just to the attorney-Client privileged documents or were all the documents relating to Betsey Wright's work transferred over to you?