Whitewater Hearings July 25, 1995 Testimony of Patsy Thomasson
Whitewater Hearings July 25, 1995 Testimony of Patsy Thomasson
Whitewater Hearings July 25, 1995 - Testimony of Patsy Thomasson.
Whitewater Hearings July 25, 1995 Testimony of Patsy Thomasson
Senator Al D Amato (R New York). Senator Paul Sarbanes (D Maryland). Senator Paul Sarbanes (D Maryland). I yield to Mr. Ben-Veniste. Richard Ben-Veniste, attorney. With respect to the question of your security clearance, was there any delay in connection with the issuance of your security clearance, to the best of your knowledge that was attributable to any investigation or inquiry about anything to do with your background? Patsy Thomasson. Not to my knowledge, sir. Richard Ben-Veniste, attorney. Was, to the best of your knowledge, the delay attributed solely to delays in processing the application and relevant information? Patsy Thomasson. As far as I know, that was the only delay, sir.
Whitewater Hearings July 25, 1995 Testimony of Patsy Thomasson
Richard Ben-Veniste, attorney. When you entered Mr. Foster's office, was it your intention to go through his files and review any material regarding Supreme Court appointments or treaties with Haiti or any such things? Patsy Thomasson. No, sir. Richard Ben-Veniste, attorney. In fact, if I understand your testimony, you knew pretty much what you were looking for, you looked for that thing, and you did not find it? Patsy Thomasson. That's correct, sir, Richard Ben-Veniste, attorney. When you talk about Mr. Nussbaum's state that evening, had you ever seen him in the condition he was in as you saw him on the night of the 20th? Patsy Thomasson. No, sir, Richard Ben-Veniste, attorney. Would you describe that in some more detail, please? Patsy Thomasson. Everyone who was at the White House that I saw was very distraught. Most everyone there was in tears, both men and women. It was very apparent that Mr. Nussbaum, it seemed to me that it was apparent that Mr. Nussbaum had been crying, too, although he was not absolutely crying when he was in the office with me. He was pacing back and forth. Bernie had a habit of rubbing his hair and rubbing his head and he was doing that as he was walking back and forth in the office. He was visibly shaken by this business of having his partner commit suicide, as we all would be, I think. I certainly was.
Whitewater Hearings July 25, 1995 Testimony of Patsy Thomasson
Richard Ben-Veniste, attorney. Let me ask you a couple of other questions about the details of that evening. Is it correct that you did not, when you entered the White House Counsel's suite, go into Mr. Nussbaum's personal office at any point? Patsy Thomasson. I never went into Mr. Nussbaum's suite that night. Richard Ben-Veniste, attorney. You went into Mr. Foster's office only directly from the entranceway and small reception area? Patsy Thomasson. Yes, sir. Richard Ben-Veniste, attorney. There is no question in your mind that the GSA cleaning person had been in Mr. Foster's personal office? Patsy Thomasson. No question in my mind, sir. Richard Ben-Veniste, attorney. Did you ever see Evelyn Lieberman in the White House Counsel's Office that evening? Patsy Thomasson. I don't recall seeing her in the Counsel's Office that evening.
Whitewater Hearings July 25, 1995 Testimony of Patsy Thomasson
Richard Ben-Veniste, attorney. Did you see a Secret Service uniformed officer in the White House Counsel's Office that evening? Patsy Thomasson. I don't recall seeing him, sir. Richard Ben-Veniste, attorney. Did you know whether or not there was a guard, a Secret Service uniformed guard in Mr. Foster's office with the cleaning person at the time that you arrived, when you saw the cleaning person exit? Patsy Thomasson. I do not recall seeing the uniformed division guard there that night, although it's normal procedure for someone to be with the cleaning people when they go into the offices. Richard Ben-Veniste, attorney. Now that you think about it, you didn't see him? Patsy Thomasson. I just did not see him, sir. I don't recall having seen him. Richard Ben-Veniste, attorney. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Senator Al D Amato (R New York). Thank you, Mr. Ben-Veniste.