Whitewater Hearings July 25, 1995 Testimony of Patsy Thomasson.
Senator Richard Shelby (R Alabama). Did Mr. Nussbaum, while you were seated at the desk, sitting at the desk or seated at the desk, did he look around the office for something? Patsy Thomasson. No, sir. Senator Richard Shelby (R Alabama). What did he do? Patsy Thomasson. He was pacing around the office. Senator Richard Shelby (R Alabama). Just pacing the office? Patsy Thomasson. He was very upset. He was very distraught about Vince's death that night. Senator Richard Shelby (R Alabama). Was he quiet, as you described it? Patsy Thomasson. He was quiet and rubbing his hands through his hair. He was very distraught about Vince's death. Senator Richard Shelby (R Alabama). Did you have a conversation while you were sitting there or was everything just quiet? Patsy Thomasson. Fairly quiet, sir. Senator Richard Shelby (R Alabama). You didn't mention anything to him like I haven't found anything or I don't see anything that's relevant to what I'm looking for? Patsy Thomasson. I don't recall having had a conversation of that nature, sir. Senator Richard Shelby (R Alabama). About how long were you in there, in your best judgment? Patsy Thomasson. In my best guess, sir, I was there about 10 minutes.
Senator Richard Shelby (R Alabama). Did Mr. Nussbaum leave when you left, as you relayed? Patsy Thomasson. As I said earlier, Senator, I was in the office with Mr. Nussbaum. Mr. Nussbaum left the office. Maggie Williams came into the office and sat across from me. Maggie got up and left the office after a few minutes and Bernie came back into the office. Senator Richard Shelby (R Alabama). But at no time while you were in the office, for 10 minutes, did Mr. Nussbaum ever mention to you, or suggest to you perhaps, anything regarding whether or not you had a security clearance? Patsy Thomasson. No, sir, he didn't. Senator Richard Shelby (R Alabama). At that time you didn't have one, as you've related? Patsy Thomasson. That's correct. Senator Richard Shelby (R Alabama). Thank you.