July 25, 1995 - Part 4
July 25, 1995 - Part 4
(14:12:38)(tape #10023 begins) Hearing reconvenes: The CHAIRMAN. .He would normally have the opportunity to ask questions. I don't know if you want to start it here or we start it here, Whichever way you want Senator SARBANES. I think we ended the questioning on this side so why don't we go back to your side. The CHAIRMAN. Fine. I have two other Senators who are on their way from our conference who want to ask questions. In lieu of that; I'll turn to Mr. Chertoff. Mr. CHERTOFF. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Watkins, let me bring you back to July 30th, Your testimony is that at the time you called Patsy Thomasson you did not have it in your mind that you wanted her to go to the White House; is that correct? Mr. WATKINS, July 20th? Mr. CHERTOFF. July 20th. I'm sorry. Mr. WATKINS. My recollection is that I called Patsy to notify her of Vince's death, yes. By the time she called me back, there had been discussion at the house about seeing if there was a note in Vince's office and I asked her to do so. Mr. CHERTOFF. How much discussion had there been at the house? Mr. WATKINS. Just general discussion among people there. Mr. CHERTOFF. Among which people? Mr. WATKINS. Mr. McLarty specifically, Mr. McLarty and I dis- cussed it, Lisa Foster and I discussed it. Mr. CHERTOFF, You have a specific memory that Mr. McLarty discussed that with you before you asked Patsy Thomasson to go to the White House. Mr. WATKINS. I do. Mr. CHERTOFF. That means that you asked Patsy Thomasson to go to the White House sometime after Mr. McLarty arrived at the house; is that your testimony? Mr. WATKINS. That is correct. Mr. CHERTOFF. About how much time elapsed between the time that you first paged Ms, Thomasson and had those discussions, and then eventually had her go to the White House? Mr. WATKINS. Approximately 30 minutes. Mr. CHERTOFF. Your testimony is it's 30 minutes from the time you paged her until the time she called you back? Mr. WATKINS. I think so. Mr. CHERTOFF. You're confident of that? Mr. WATKINS. I believe that's correct. Mr. CHERTOFF. Would it surprise you to learn that you paged her at 10:34 p.m. and she actually entered the White House at 10:49 P.M.? Mr. WATKINS. Yes. Mr. CHERTOFF. I can tell you that based on records we've gotten from the White House, specifically Z651 which is a pager record of 287 Patsy Thomasson, and then records from Secret Service, 14848 which is a record of her entry into the White House, she received a page from you at 10:34 p.m. and she entered the White House at 10:49 p.m. That is 15 minutes; correct?