July 25, 1995 - Part 2
July 25, 1995 - Part 2
(11:10:42) MS. MATHEWS, While I don't recall the specific words, the general gist was Mr. Nussbaum should lock the office, 263 Senator GRAMS. So he mentioned it was Mr. Nussbaum who should lock the office? Ms. MATHEWS. That's correct. Senator GRAMS. Were you under the impression that night that the office had then been locked, and that it was Mr. Nussbaum who was going to take care of that? MS. MATHEWS. That was my impression, yes, sir. Senator GRAMS. I know you have a question about the time, but do you have any idea of when that time was? Was this before you had went upstairs and walked by the office, and noticed the door was open, so it would have been after 10:41 or 10:42? Do you have any recollection or could you put that in any kind of a timeframe when you had the impression that that office should be locked? Ms. MATHEWS. Yes, sir. It would have been after I had gone up to get my things and after I had gone to get the trash. Senator GRAMS. So you had noticed, then, that the door was open so we could presume it was after 10:42? Ms. MATHEWS. I noticed the door being open on the first trip, which was the trip to go and get my work around the corner. Senator GRAMS. But you were still under the impression that the office had been locked by someone that night, that was your impression? Ms. MATHEWS. Yes, sir. Senator GRAMS. Ms. Mathews, I have here a typed note, It's document Z139 and we're going to put it up on the screen here, but I want to read part of this aloud. It says: The Park Police called and Bill was on the phone with them. Dee Dee and David were in Mack's office, too. I realized somewhere in the conversation, which I was hearing from one side, that there was no note found in the car. As a matter of fact, I think Bill asked the policeman. I then asked the three of them if anyone had made sure that the trash had not been dumped in Vince's office. At that point, Bill said we should get Bernie and lock the office. I am uncertain what time that was, but probably after 10 p.m. I don't remember who told Bernie, but he went up and locked the office. Ms. Mathews, did you type this note? Ms. MATHEWS. Yes, sir. Senator GRAMS. "Dee Dee" refers to Dee Dee Myers at the time? Ms. MATHEWS, Yes, sir. Senator GRAMS. "David" referred to? Ms. MATHEWS. David Dreyer. Senator GRAMS. "Bill" referred to Bill But-ton? MS. MATHEWS. Yes, sir. Senator GRAMS. "Bernie," of course, referred to Mr. Nussbaum? Ms. MATHEWS. Yes, sir. Senator GRAMS. The note states it was your impression that night that Bernie Nussbaum went up to lock Mr. Foster's office; is that correct? Ms. MATHEWS. Yes, sir, Senator GRAMS. Was it your impression that Mr. Nussbaum, again, had locked the office that night? That's your impression? Ms. MATHEWS. Yes, sir. Senator GRAMS. Why did you have that impression? 264 Ms. MATHEWS. Because at one point in the evening when I Went upstairs, the door-I saw the door shut and, therefore, I thought that it had been locked. Senator GRAMS. This was after you had seen the door open earlier? MS. MATHEWS. Yes, sir. Senator GRAMS. Now, you had a conversation with Mr. Nussbaum about the burn bags? Ms. MATHEWS, Yes, sir, Senator GRAMS. That was down in the Chief of Staffs Office. Did you ask him personally at that time whether the door had been locked? MS. MATHEWS. No, sir, I did not ask him. Senator GRAMS. You did not ask him and he didn't say that the door had been locked? Ms. MATHEWS, No, sir. Senator GRAMS. Does the note that I read here and that was up on the screen, does this note accurately reflect your understanding of what happened the night of July 20, 1993? MS. MATHEWS. Yes, sir. Senator GRAMS. So it was your understanding that night that Bill Burton received a call from the Park Police about locking Mr. Foster's office and it was also your understanding that Mr. Burton believed that Mr. Nussbaum should do it and that Mr. Nussbaum did, in fact, under your impression, lock the office that night as it says here in your own words; is that correct? That was your Ms. MATHEWS. I apologize, but if we could back up. On the first point, about the conversation, I'm not sure exactly how you stated it, but it was not clear to me that the Park Police had-the part about connecting the conversation with the locking of the office. I remember-the only part of that conversation I recall had to do with the trash and a note, the question of a note. So I apologize. The second point--I'm sorry, the third point about was it my impression that Bernie Nussbaum had locked the office is correct., and I apologize, but the second one? I'm sorry. Senator GRAMS. That Mr. Burton believed it was Mr. Nussbaum who should lock the off-ice?