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Brown Derby Exterior Views
LS Brown Derby restaurant, a classic Hollywood locale in the shape of a hat. Nice late 1940s cars passing in front, also city bus. Closer view of entrance with awning and Brown Derby name. Similar cars passing in front, pedestrians walking by
July 18, 1995 - Part 3
(12:35:15) Now, I've just spent a moment looking back through the depositions, and there is nothing in the depositions that factually suggests that this is how the yellow paper was found or that this is how the briefcase was held or that this is the manner in which they might even have been visible. In point of fact, the briefcase was down on the floor within reaching distance of the chair he was seated in, and he reached over and pulled out files. When those files were in there, you can't see any paper. When you pull the files out, the briefcase closes, essentially shut, like this. You can't see in it, I can't see in it, nobody could see in it. For Senator Murkowski to sit here suggesting that was a facsimile of what happened is just false, calculated to have attracted every camera in the room that turned toward that briefcase. The testimony is that Mr. Neuwirth, several days later, saw what looked to be an empty briefcase leaning up against a wall, and at that point he turned it over in putting it into a box to send back to Mrs. Foster and only several pieces of paper fell out, not all of them. There is no evidence whatsoever that the paper lined both sides, as Mr. Murkowski has demonstrated it. There is no evidence that the paper was either in one side or the other. In point of fact, the depositions say that when Mr. Neuwirth looked in there after only several pieces fell out, he had to personally remove the other pieces, which were lodged underneath the centerfold piece of this briefcase. They wouldn't move until he brought them out physically by hand. So I just think that it is a bad way to begin these hearings, with a summary that somehow suggests that the very note that everybody was looking for in order to find out what the explanation was for what happened and that every bit of testimony suggests they were struggling to find a note to give to Mrs. Foster, that all of the evidence is contrary to the demonstration that was put on here, and I think it is a calculated, inappropriate way to begin these hearings, and I think the record should show that. The CHAIRMAN. I think the record should also show that what we're engaged in now is an attempt to characterize all of the facts' I don't think that was Senator Murkowski's purpose, nor do I think that we should attempt to characterize all of the facts without giving the witnesses who have given depositions an opportunity to state when they first saw whatever they saw and the manner in which they saw it, Senator KERRY. That's what I agree with. The CHAIRMAN. So I don't intend to respond because I think what we then do is the very thing we have, I think, carefully avoided during these 3 or 4 weeks of interviews. I would say for the press, and they are the people who know, neither Democrats nor Repub- licans have been leaking depositions, putting out information, or attempting to spin. I would like to continue in that vein. Senator KERRY. Let me say, Senator, that I agree with you. said in my opening that I thought you had well set the stage and,' The CHAIRMAN. I hope we can and I'm sorry if there was any con-, fusion. I understand. I didn't know when they received that bag. They told me sometime around dinner time, about 7 p.m. If you 53 check the records, you will find that apparently there were a number of calls, not only as it related to the Foster file, but in addition to some other matters that still had not been resolved. I think the good faith that has been demonstrated so overwhelmingly and so repeatedly would mitigate toward accepting that explanation. Senator KERRY. I appreciate that. I simply say I know the Senator can't control another Senator's comments, but Senator Murkowski clearly put that in an argumentative presentational form that suggested that one could not help but have seen those papers. The CHAIRMAN. Senator, I think there will be Senator KERRY. I really would like the witnesses to testify on this matter. The CHAIRMAN. I don't want to move forward and begin to characterize other depositions that may be more supportive of one position or the other. I'm being very careful about that at this time. So why don't we move on and let's see how that line does develop, who saw what, when they saw it, and the like. But the Senator makes a point. We understand that. I think we've been doing pretty well and I would like to keep it moving in this vein of being cooperative and attempting to keep this in the vein of obtaining the facts, and that's what we've tried to do. That's why I was so appreciative of Mr. Hubbell, because I think that in his depositions-and I've read them very carefully over the 2 days that he appeared-I think he has attempted, as most of the witnesses, the vast majority, to be honest, to give the facts as they saw them, to be reasonable people. I think Senator Simon mentioned, sometimes the same people at the same event will give different interpretations of what they saw, and in an honest endeavor, Ours is to determine what those facts are, so we'll attempt to proceed in that manner.
Spain's Civil War Flares Violently On Many Fronts
Rolling, light in contrast and imagery Government militia stubbornly contest every inch of ground before the rebel onslaught. Shore batteries send screaming shells into an insurgent warship bombarding the maternity hospital. On the Zaragoza front, workers militiamen continue their victorious advance toward the key city.
Spain's Bloody Revolt
Rolling, light in contrast and imagery Government bombers drone through the blue over the rebel-held city, sending civilians racing in terror for cellars and other hiding-places as they loose a rain of bombs. Soldiers dig trenches in the streets, fearing the loyalist advance.
Civil War Engulfs More Of Spain As Fighters Press On
Rolling, blurry, light in contrast and imagery. Bitter fighting between government militia and insurgents continues, with the republicans shown capturing a fascist sniper. Bombed out building, wounded, children learning how to handle weapons. PAMPLONA - The rebels put tiny children in black shirts and teach them to march with the older girls. PUERTO CRISTO, MALLORCA - A column of catalan volunteers lands on the historic mediterranean island to attempt its capture.
July 18, 1995 - Part 3
(12:40:53) Senator DODD. Mr. Chairman, could I ask just one question about The CHAIRMAN. Certainly. Senator DODD. I didn't hear all the evidence as to how the briefcase ended up in one particular Senator's possession. Did the Committee request that or did Senator Murkowski request it? The CHAIRMAN. I understand that staff counsel requested that it be made available for the entire Committee, that it came down at about dinner time, about 7 p.m. is when--oh, it came down this morning. Did you receive it last evening? Senator DODD. I'm just curious as to how evidence is going to be-we've made a request, as pointed out by Senator Faircloth, for the The CHAIRMAN. It came into counsel's possession last evening at or about 7 p.m. I did not see this Senator SARBANES. When was it requested? The CHAIRMAN. I think it was requested, what, yesterday afternoon? Mr. CHERTOFF. Can I answer? The CHAIRMAN. Yes, certainly. Mr. CHERTOFF. We've been requesting this for about a week, actually, both sides. The CHAIRMAN. So, in other words, it was a request that came from both staffs? 54 Mr. CHERTOFF. I think Mr. Ben-Veniste will agree that we've been communicating with the Independent Counsel for about a week and not through any decision that they have indicated they didn't want to give it to us. We had just not been able to connect in getting it over here until-I think I saw it very late in the day yesterday. Senator DODD. Was that the same time the requests were for the polygraph information? Mr. CHERTOFF. I don't know that they were made in the same calls, but I think over the same time period. We have been in contact, both of us, on a bipartisan basis, with Mr. Tuohey. Senator DODD. You will appreciate our-one piece of evidenc6 shows up, and I accept, in a sense, how this can happen. I hope it doesn't happen again. But where the request is made for polygraph information, we have not yet received that, the Committee as a whole has not. It's just a concern I have that if evidence like that is going to end up in the possession of one Senator without the others, you end up with a chaotic situation on your hands. I presume The CHAIRMAN. The Senator makes a good point, and, again, point out that if we look at the totality, I think we have demonstrated a unique capacity to-keep everybody totally informed and " , working together with no-not even ex parte requests. I'll make.:. sure and certain that we continue to follow that policy. Senator DODD. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The CHAIRMAN. Certainly. Senator SARBANES. Mr. Chairman, I just want to close this out by noting that in the letter we sent to Mr. Starr on July 11, 1995, jointly by the two counsel, I'm just going to quote it now: We also understand that one or more persons working under the auspices of the Office of the Independent Counsel has administered a polygraph examination of, Margaret Williams regarding matters relevant to the Special Committee's current inquiry. According to press reports, the polygraph examination indicated that Ms. Williams was not being deceptive when she stated that she did not remove documents or other materials from Mr. Foster's office on the night of July 20, 1993..We recognize that you may not wish to provide the report of the polygraph examiner to the Special Committee; however, we request that you provide us with the questions asked and the answers given, together with the expert's conclusion regarding truthfulness as to each. I only make the point that the Independent Counsel seemed able to produce this briefcase that has been the source now of some discussion on both sides, but he's not yet produced to us this report' on the polygraph examination. The CHAIRMAN. Senator, let me propose a request that we get our staffs to prepare a letter for our signatures reiterating our request from the entire Committee. Senator SARBANES. Fine. Now, Mr. Chairman, I'd like to ask, will we go a half hour on this side and then conclude for today and go over until tomorrow? Is that your intention? The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Hubbell, do you have any strong feelings one way or another? Because what the Chairman has been asked and what has been proposed is that there be another half hour of questions that they would put forth and that we put this over until to 55 morrow when we would start with you immediately. Does that suit you,? Mr. HUBBELL. That's fine. I'm at the pleasure of the Committee. The CHAIRMAN. Senator, why don't we do that, then.
Drive-Ins
LS shopping mall, large sign reading "McKay's Market" and "Denny's Sip 'n' Snack". Good WS drive-in restaurant, nice space-age look to it. Good late 1940s or early 1950s cars in front. Waitress takes tray from car, serves another. Nice LS parking lot and exterior of Orton's Grill, which appears to be a diner. Excellent period signs for Coca-Cola featured, as is a man delivering more of the pause that refreshes in wooden boxes
Patio Dining
MS couple eating lunch on patio of restaurant, other tables visible behind them Casual elegance is the motif, with a waiter in BG serving cocktails in white jacket 01:18:24 MS another table at the same restaurant, party of four
New York Traffic
LS busy city street, really a traffic jam, with camera right in the middle of it, perhaps on top of car or truck. LS city street, looking more like Wall Street. Different angle on skyscraper above another city street. Times Square in New York, good 1940s/50s cars in scene
Stockbroker Office
NOTE: white spots are emulsion damage and disappear after 5 secs. Stockbroker office interior with numbers and letters scrolling by on big board. Other columns for commodities price quotes. Room with people working at desks, investors seated watching the numbers go by
Rocks and gems
Colored Converts Get Religion at Record Baptizing
Rolling, light in contrast and imagery Dip Flock To Wash Out Sin. A big congregation of American Americans takes a chilly dip into the salty waters of Hampton roads in a shouting, singing mass baptism. Over-wrought 'converts' give way to hysteria while they seek to 'drown the devil.' African American, adult baptism.
July 18, 1995 - Part 3
(12:45:30) Senator SABARNES Mr. Hubbell, I want to put just a few questions to you and then I'm going to turn the balance of my time over to our counsel, Richard Ben-Veniste. At the end, Mr. Chertoff was getting to the scene at the family home, the Foster family home, on the night of July 20. 1 know it is difficult for you to go back over this and I understand that, but I think it's important for our inquiry and almost necessary that we do so. I know you understand that. You say you went over to Vince Foster's home from across the street where his sister lived, having gone there first to tell his sister about it. Mr. HUBBELL. Let me try to make it clear. Vince's sister Sheila lives across the street from my home. Senator SARBANES. I'm sorry, from your home. Mr. HUBBELL. I went over and told Sheila and Sharon what I thought had happened or what I had been told, and then we all got in our cars and drove to the Foster residence in Georgetown. Senator SARBANES. Now, tell me the scene at the Foster residence when you arrived. Mr. HUBBELL. When I arrived, the Park Policeman was there, as well as David Watkins, and they were about to enter the home. I believe that either David or I asked if we could tell Lisa. He said it was the function of the Park Police to tell her. So we stayed right outside the door as he knocked on the door and went in. Senator SARBANEs. He went in himself? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes. Senator SARBANES. You waited outside? Mr. HUBBELL. We were-it happened very quickly, as you can imagine. The daughter, Laura, came to the door. Senator SARBANES. How old is the daughter? Mr. HUBBELL. Laura, I believe, at that time was 21 years old. Lisa came down the steps. He told Lisa. She screamed, as you can imagine, and sat down on the steps. At that point we all entered the home, that being David, my wife, myself, Marsha Scott, Sheila and Sharon. Pretty quickly other people started coming to the home, Lisa went upstairs. Eileen, I believe, took her upstairs. Then, within a few minutes, Eileen asked that I go up and be with Lisa. Senator SARBANEs. Now, I take it it was a very traumatic scene. Mr. HUBBELL. Senator, I've had some tough times in the last 2 years, but that was the worst day of my life. Trauma is not the way to describe it. We were in shock. We couldn't believe it. There Was no way that Vince Foster-this could happen to Vince Foster. So we were all blaming ourselves, we were guilty that we didn't-what could we have done to prevent this? So it was-as I'm emotional now, you can imagine how we all were then. Senator SARBANEs. There's an allegation that's been made that You pushed a Park Police officer who was, I take it, he or she, it 56 may be a she, trying to talk to Mrs. Foster and that you Pushed her out of the way. Could you enlighten us on that allegation? Mr. HUBBELL. The first time I heard of that was last year when this Committee had its hearings and I saw the Park Policewoman say that I was rude to her, I do not remember the incident at all. I think, if you can tell by my size, if I shoved someone in that crowded room, somebody would have noticed, but I ' do know that others who said at some point, it was not Mrs. Foster, it was Mrs Anthony that the Park Policewoman was trying to talk to, one of the Senator SARBANES. Vince Foster's sister? Mr. HUBBELL. Vince Foster's sister. Someone came up to me and said the woman is-that woman is-I don't know what was said. I can just only report that they asked me to go and rescue Sheila, and I went over and took Sheila away. If I was rude, I apologize, I really do, but I don't believe I shoved anybody that evening.
July 18, 1995 - Part 3
(13:00:20) Mr. HUBBELL. I have great respect for Bernie Nussbaum and his legal abilities, I really do. Bernie is one that will jump in there with both feet immediately, and that's Bernie's personality, and that's why occasionally friends of Bernie's would say, think about this. Bernie is very receptive and open, but sometimes you talk to Bernie as a friend and say don't jump in there just yet. Think about it. But Bernie is very open. I have great respect for his legal abilities. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. It has been said if Bernie Nussbaum was within 10 feet of a problem he would want to go over and snatch it and solve it. Mr. HUBBELL. That's exactly right. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Did there come a time when you had a conversation with Phil Heymann, the Deputy Attorney General of the United States, with regard to his view of Mr. Nussbaum's involvement in coordinating law enforcement efforts? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes, I did. I believe upon my return from Little Rock, Phil and I talked about the previous week. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Tell us, if you would, what the substance of your conversation with Mr. Nussbaum was at that time. Mr. HUBBELL. Mr. Heymann, I believe. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Mr. Heymann, I'm sorry. Mr. HUBBELL. He told me that they had some difficulty with regard to the review of the documents in Bernie's office, that he had received a complaint from the Department of Interior and that he had to talk to Bernie, but that everything was OK. 1 had asked him did I need to talk to Bernie. He said no, everything is OK. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Let me back up a moment and get the time sequence involved. The review of documents in Mr. Foster's office occurred on July 22, 1993? Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. The funeral was on July 23, 1993? Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Your conversation with Mr. Heymann was sometime shortly after you got back to Washington? Mr. HUBBELL. I'm sure of that, because I left on the 22nd with Bernie to go home. So it was at some time-I believe I got back Monday night, so it's likely that Tuesday I talked to Phil for the first time. 60 Mr. BEN-VENISTE. In his conversation with you, did Mr. Hey- mann characterize the type of position that Bernie Nussbaum had taken vis-a-vis whether the Park Police could personally look through the documents in Mr. Foster's office? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes, he did. He described Bernie as putting his aggressive litigation hat on and that the Park Police were having difficulty with that, and that Phil had to talk to Bernie about it and resolve the issue. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Did Mr. Heymann indicate to you whether or not he believed that Mr. Nussbaum had interfered with the inves- tigation? Mr. HUBBELL. No, he did not say that. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. In his conversation with you where he had advised you that it wouldn't be necessary for you to talk to Mr. Nussbaum, you got the impression that he thought things had settled, down and were straightened out? Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct. He said, specifically, "I've taken care of it." Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Now, you mentioned Mr. Collier, who was at the time a Chief of Staff to the Secretary of the Interior, who would have supervised the Park Police. Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Was this another Administration official in ad- dition to yourself, meaning Mr. Collier, who had a view about. whether Mr. Nussbaum was too close to Mr. Foster? Mr. HUBBELL. I really don't know that. I know Mr. Collier, know him better now than I did at that time, so I don't know what Tom's views are. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. But at this point, to bring closure to the issue, you got the impression that Mr. Heymann had heard from Mr. Collier who had expressed a view similar to yours, and that Mr. Heymann was of the view that the matter had been resolved and' things were working out? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes.
July 18, 1995 - Part 3
(12:50:33) Senator SARBANES. You moved her away because she was in a very difficult emotional state, is that it? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes. As I'm sure all of you unfortunately have been in circumstances where everybody is shocked and grieving, and one of the people told me that Sheila looked upset and frustrated like she was being cornered and they said go rescue Sheila. Senator SARBANES. How many people would you say were in the home? Mr. HUBBELL. Pretty soon-as you know, Mr. Foster's residence was not that small. They had a small living room. Senator SARBANES. You mean not that large. Mr. HUBBELL. Not that large. The room was full of people. We were wall-to- wall people that entire evening. Senator SARBANES. Mrs. Foster was upstairs primarily? Mr. HUBBELL. Primarily. She would come down to answer the phone and be consoled by others, but she went up and down the stairs, yes. Senator SARBANES. Richard, Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Mr. Hubbell, before I continue on with the chronology of events that occurred on July 20, 1993, 1 want to bring to closure one point that Mr. Chertoff was questioning you about. With respect to the 1992 campaign files, including materials that included inquiries and other materials about the Whitewater matter, it is your recollection that you had those materials in your possession through 1993, November, until you delivered those materials to Williams & Connolly or an authorized representative of that firm; is that correct, sir? Mr. HUBBELL. That is correct. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. So you know for a fact that Vincent Foster did not have those files in his office? Mr. HUBBELL. The campaign files that I had, Vince never had, that is correct. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Now, with respect to the evening of July 20, 1993, you were in the presence of the Park Police who were in the Foster home following their notification of Mrs. Foster; correct? Mr. HUBBELL. That is correct. 57 Mr. BEN-VENISTE. At any time did the Park Police, to your recollection request that they be allowed to search the home for any note or other thing? Mr. HUBBELL. No, they did not, to the best of my recollection. I recall asking them if they had to stay, They said they wanted to ask Mrs. Foster a few questions if she was able to do so and did we object to them staying, and of course not, I think, at some point, one of the Park Policemen did talk to Lisa briefly and then at some point they left. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. She was in a considerable state of emotional distress; is that so? Mr. HUBBELL. Absolutely. Senator Pryor had come and was trying to get his family physician there so we could have a doctor there to watch over Lisa that evening. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. The Park Police made no suggestion that the Foster home should be sealed or posted or in some way guarded in connection with any search they might want to make at some future time; is that correct? Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct. At least to the best of my knowledge they never made that request to me or the Foster family. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Was it clear from the Park Police that no note had been found at the scene of Mr. Foster's death? Mr. HUBBELL, That's correct. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Did you at some point yourself, together with Mrs. Foster, see whether Mr. Foster had left a note in the home? Mr. HUBBELL. At some time that evening, Lisa and I searched to see if there was a note somewhere in the house, yes, we did. We did not find a note. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Now, you were present the next day helping Lisa Foster with a number of arrangements that had to be made; is that correct? Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct, that evening and then the next day. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Did at any time the Park Police come back and say that they wished to search the Poster home for a note? Mr. HUBBELL. Not to my knowledge, sir. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Now, did any Park Police officer in your presence on the night of July 20 make any request that Mr. Foster's office be locked or secured or sealed or posted or any such thing? Mr. HUBBELL. The Park Police? Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Yes, sir. Mr. HUBBELL, No, not to my knowledge. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Did it occur to you at some point that it might he a good idea to ensure that the office was locked? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes, it did, Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Why was that, sir?
Pin-up Girl on Farm
(412-5) Daisy Mae feeds the chickens in her down-home slinkiest.
Couple drinking milk shake
Dining restaurants
Restaurant signs
Ext. Storefront & Restaurant Signs
Int. diner
Coffee House
Coffee house - cu of cappaccino machine, making coffee, waiter behind counter.
Eating outside
People eating in factory's cafe
Int. restaurant (dishwasher)