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Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 6, 1973
[00.55.24] Mr. SLOAN. I, in destroying the backup material, I did so with the clear and positive understanding relayed to me by him that he intended the material I gave him, which covered the same transactions essentially in a different, format as a permanent record of the campaign. I assumed that that record would still be in existence but it evidently is not. Senator GURNEY. And you also understood as part of that transaction that he wanted you to get rid of the backup information there would only be one copy in his possession. Mr. SLOAN. I suppose it is an inference he asked for one and recommendations to me or the conversation that led to my destroying the earlier reports and the summary book was with Mr. Kalmbach. when I asked his advice now that we have checked this all out and I and have this final report ready, what do you think I ought to do with these records? He operated as my boss through the entire earlier period, had a very close relationship with Secretary Stans, he was clearly a person I would look to for guidance in this kind of situation. Senator GURNEY. Now then, on this whole business of cash, some of which was deposited according to the graph up there, and some was paid out. Was there any general discussion between YOU and Mr. Stans or anybody else as to how cash was to be handled, that is, what was to be kept in safes and what was to be deposited in bank accounts? I would say the physical security of the money would be a judgment I would have made as To where to keep it. I would say, on handling of any deposits or any distributions of funds, I never made--- one possible exception of reimbursing somebody for a travel expense when there wasn't somebody else to write a check -I would say virtually every decision was made by somebody else, and with regard to the deposits, all those instructions came from Secretary Stans. Senator GURNEY. Well, what were those instructions? You come on board as treasurer and Stans is the fundraiser. Somebody must, have said all cash that comes in we are going to put In a lockbox or a safe. Did anybody say that? When did they said it Who made that decision? Mr. SLOAN. Senator, it goes all The way back to March 1971 and I am not quite sure how it evolved. but it was clearly MY responsibility in terms of preserving the physical security and a record of what was received in cash and what, was not. Senator GURNEY. I understand that. BUT my question really is, who made the decision that cash would be kept in safes and lockboxes and not deposited in bank accounts? Mr. SLOAN. I would have to make an assumption here because I would not make the decision myself. I would suspect that, this procedure evolved back in the period of time because cash was being received then and It has always been handled essentially the same way by Mr. Kalmbach. As to the making deposits out of this, in reviewing periodically the interim reports on cash funds and balance on hand in the office, Secretary Stans often said in the pre-April 7 period, this is too high a balance. we don't need that much. Why don't you deposit $100,000 in $3,000 increments among a number of our committees, and I would follow that instruction Senator GURNEY. Well, now, when he said, this is too much we do not need this much--what did he think he needed the amount that he was keeping in cash for, anyway? Mr. SLOAN. Senator 1 am not sure. He was fully aware that people were drawing on a cash fund. He was fully aware that people did have, authority to come to him. I do not know how he made his estimate of what the appropriate amount available for any one time was. Senator GURNEY. Well, now, may I try 'to reconstruct the testimony As I understand It, from your understanding as the keeper of the money here, you first got the. idea from Kalmbach that cash Money was to be kept either in lockboxes or in safes. Is that right" Mr. SLOAN, I am sure it came from him. the more I think about it, because it was from him that I got the initial instructions on Who should be the signatories on a safe deposit box and a procedure to have more than one signature for access if two people would have to go at any one, time. [01.00.10]
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 6, 1973
[00.02.00--In to Hugh SLOAN questioned by Sen. GURNEY about CRP expenditures of the 1972 campaign] Mr. SLOAN. My first meeting with Mr. Raine was, I believe, sometime in February 1972, when he transmitted to Washington on behalf of Mr. Kalmbach several hundred thousand dollars in cash which were represented to me as being a carryover of 1968 funds. I think we had initially set up a separate safe deposit box from the one we already had for those funds. Senator GURNEY. Any of them had access to the lockboxes during the time Mr. Kalmbach was your boss; is that right? Mr. SLOAN. Mr. Stans may have been in place at that point in time, but Mr. Kalmbach was still very active as a fundraiser and at one point in time in March was actively an officer of the committee. Senator GURNEY. Do you know whether Mr. Raine ever made any withdrawals of cash at any time? Mr. SLOAN. I know he has not, because I kept the records and eventually consolidated this all in the safe in the office. I can verify that no money that ever came under my control was ever taken out without my knowledge. Senator GURNEY. And who else had access to the lockboxes? Mr. SLOAN. I think just so there would be other people around, think Jane Dannenhauer, my secretary, would have been a signatory. Eveline Hyde, might have been. I think Judy Hoback, just as a function of having somebody who would be there if Mr. Kalmbach came to town and I was out, just so somebody would be in the office who could act as a second signatory. Senator GURNEY. Any withdrawals of cash from lockboxes were made by you, is that correct? Mr. SLOAN. Yes, sir. Senator GURNEY. How many were made? Mr. SLOAN. I have forgotten, Senator, precisely when we got the safe. The procedural handling of cash funds was the same throughout. I kept a cash-in and -out book, recording receipts and distributions, so that I kept an ongoing record wherever it happened to be at that particular time. Senator GURNEY. This is a record you later gave to Mr. Stans? Mr. SLOAN. In summary form. In other words, the figures would be aggregated--Mr. Liddy, $199,000--not just the individual occasions. Senator GURNEY. With regard to access to the safes, who had access to the safes? Mr. SLOAN. When it was in. my office, I had the combination. I think- my secretary had it as well. When it, was moved into Arden Chambers' office, only Secretary Stans and I had the combination. Senator GURNEY. . Whom did you have the most contact with in the Committee To Re-Elect the President? Whom did you see most of, have transactions with? Mr. SLOAN. You mean within the political committee in terms of--- Senator GURNEY. Yes. Mr. SLOAN. Probably Rob Odle, because in our internal procedures in approving bills and so forth, he was really the central point for the political committee on where those bills came from. His signature was necessary to approve them; they would come through him and be sent down to myself. I would say he was the principal person I had any regular contact with I obviously saw some of these other people almost day-to-day, but not too of often in the business sense. Senator GURNEY. Did you ever have any contact with Mr. Haldeman? Mr. SLOAN. Not from the time I joined the committee until fairly recently. I have seen him once since I joined the committee. Senator GURNEY. When was that? Mr. SLOAN. I think it, was probably sometime in January, Senator. Senator GURNEY. What was the occasion of that meeting? Mr. SLOAN. I sought him out. At that point I had rejoined the finance committee as a consultant. Since he had gotten me into the campaign, I had made certain decisions. I wanted to, before I left town--and I was making plans to do so--I wanted to advise him essentially on the basis of the information that I had at that time, that I had totally supported the President of the United States and that my leaving the campaign was not intended in any way to reflect on that, but that essentially, I was unwilling to follow' the advice of some of his advisers at this time. I felt that having worked for him, on the way out, I just wanted to let him know what I had done and why I had done it. Senator GURNEY. What is this about following advice of someone? Mr. SLOAN. I had the feeling--I think the term has been used by some of your staff investigators-that, I was considered "off the reservation" as far as the White House and the campaign committee were concerned because of the actions I had taken. I did not know for instance--I knew that, Bob Haldeman had regular access to the President. I felt that any information on me quite probably had never gotten there, and that I felt, that I knew him well and that I just wanted to make one effort to put on the record there how I felt about things and why I had done them. [00.07.26]
men in boat going down river
Turtles and birds
Duck hunting
Has been transferred to Master 1043. Film original is stored in Southeast corner of vault -- near "Killing Floor".
Desert highway - grain elevator
Hunters and dogs
Men and dog in boat down river
Men find footprint of Jaguar
Men and dogs in boat
Hunters bring home Jaguar
Hunters in jungle
Skinning a Jaguar
Men and dogs get ready for hunt
Hunters with Jaguar skin
Tent men / rain gear
On Preview Cassette 210835 Men shaking hands. Might be cast members for some (film?) production. One man at microphone on what looks like an island set seems to be introducing one person after another. Shakes hands with several of them. They don't all look happy.
Hunters and dogs in boat
Hunter and dogs coming to camp has been transferred to Master 1043. Film original is stored in Southeast corner of vault -- near "Killing Floor".
Airplane arrives in Mexico
Birds on ground
Men and hounds through jungle
Men and hounds through jungle