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July 18, 1995 - Part 3
(12:55:29) Mr. HUBBELL. I thought about this a lot, I was concerned that my primary concern was that cleaning people might come in inadvertently, empty the trash and remove something out of the office that might be a note or some indication of what happened that day. So I thought the office should be locked. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Did you, sir, have any concern that anyone from the White House Counsel's Office or the White House might come into Mr. Foster's office to remove any files or documents? Mr. HUBBELL. No, that was not what was on iny mind. 58 Mr. BEN-VENISTE. You attended Mr. Foster's funeral, of course, in Little Rock? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes, I did. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. When you returned from the funeral, did you have a conversation with Mr. Heymann about whether it would he a good idea if you personally distanced yourself from any investigation surrounding Mr. Foster's death? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes, I did. I believe it was when I returned. I think that's the most logical time that we had that conversation, and Phil said he was going to try to keep me out of it. We agreed that although I wanted to know what was going on because I wanted to know about my friend, that I would not be in any way involved in the investigation. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Was that simply because, as Mr. Heymann and you recognized, that you were too close to Mr. Foster rather than from any ethical or other legal restriction that would have prohibited you from being involved in some way? Mr. HUBBELL. That's correct. Phil said there's no reason for you to recuse but you just-you're too close. I agreed that I was too close, although-and so I was lucky to have a Phil Heymann there, that I wasn't required to take any official action and that he was comfortable enough with me that if I felt like something was wrong, that I was expressing it in a human term and as in a friend's term and not in any official capacity. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Let me focus you on the morning of July 21, the day after Mr. Foster's suicide. Did you attend a briefing by the Park Police at the White House? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes, I did. Mr. BFN-VENISTE. At that time was there any indication about who would assume responsibility for coordinating with the investigative authorities from the White House? Mr. HUBBELL. I think at the close of that meeting, they were asked who would and Mr. Nussbaum said that he would. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Now, did you have a conversation with Mr. Nussbaum about whether you thought it was judicious or appropriate or practical for Mr. Nussbaum to be the person who would play that role? Mr. HUBBELL. Yes, I did. It was a very brief conversation. As we were exiting the office, I told Bernie I thought he ought to think about staying out of this. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. What was your reasoning? Mr. HUBBELL. I wanted him to at least think about it. I know how I was feeling at the time. I knew that there had been issues regarding the Travel Office and whether there should be an Independent Counsel to represent the White House with regard to the Travel Office investigation. Too often you tend to go forward and act without thinking, and I wanted Bernie to at least just plant the seed, Bernie, think about whether you should be involved or no Mr. BEN-VENISTE. What was Mr. Nussbaum's reaction? Mr. HUBBELL. I think his words were, "Really. I'd like to talk to you about that." Events consumed us after that point. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Did he seem surprised that you made that suggestion? 59 Mr. HUBBELL. He did, but I think it was just, oh, OK, and it did plant the seed. I don't know what his thought process was after that point. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Up until this point, how long had you known Bernie Nussbaum? Mr. HUBBELL. I began to know Bernie in December 1993. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Did you get to the point where you felt that you knew him pretty well? Mr. HUBBELL. I'm sorry, it's 1992 that I--did I get to know him pretty well? Yes, I did. Mr. BEN-VENISTE. Would you tell us something about Mr. Nussbaum's personality with respect to issues of making decisions or problem solving.
Coins Dropping Into Pile
CU coins in pile, look like quarters. More coins drop in onto pile. Could be Las Vegas jackpot or good return on an investment, graphically represented (several takes)
Counting Bonds
CU man's hands counting money or savings bonds. Tthey read "50". This is not United States currency.
Geysers (Yellowstone)
Yosemite National Park
YELLOWSTONE PARK SCENICS
ON PREVIEW CASSETTE# 991675 A Yellowstone Park Emerald Spring - 00.14.48 Artist Paint Pots - (thermal mud pots - great CU of boiling & bubbling mud) 00.14.57 Geysers - Old Faithful - 00.16.04 Yellowstone Park Scenics - 00.16.40 boiling springs, pools - 00.16.53 Buffalo Spring - 00.17.19 (buffalo skull in pool) Heart Spring - 00.17.30 more springs - 00.17.37 Whale Mouth Spring - 00.17.55 Hot spring terrace shots - 00.18.04 cu small geysers - 00.18.35 Whale Mouth Spring - 00.18.41 Great CU shots of bubbles emerging & creates ripples - 00.18.52 more scenics - 00.19.09 Punch bowl Spring - 00.19.14 Grotto Geyser - 00.19.21 more geysers - 00.19.36 Jet Geyser sign & geyser - 00.20.41 Water rippling out of spring - 00.21.04 Clepsydra Geyser - 00.21.11 Riverside Geyser - 00.22.01 Beehive Geyser - 00.22.36 Emerald Pool sign & pool - 00.22.44 geyser - 00.23.27 Old Faithful shots - 00.24.09
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