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August 4, 1994 - Part 9
(19:10:01) Now, that's Tuesday, August 2nd. The third one was the one that we read here which came from the diary of Mr. Steiner. "After Howell Rains from The New York Times called to say that they were going to write a brutal editorial, Roger Altman decided to recuse himself. Harold and George then called to say that BC"- --Bill Clinton I guess-was furious. They also asked how Jay Ste- 415 phens, the former USA, 'U.S. Attorney,' had been hired to be Outside Counsel in the case. Simply outrageous that RTC had hired him, but even more amazing, when George then suggested to me that we needed to find a way to get rid of him, persuaded George that firing him would be incredibly stupid and improper," Now, do those three refresh your recollection at all with regard to these matters? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Well, there's nothing new there, sir. I would just say in all three instances, first of all, I had never directed anyone at the RTC to do anything, just get that down as a fact. Number two, as I read Mr. Altman's Senator HATCH. You did talk to Mr. Altman. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. As I read Mr. Altman's two pages here, what he seems to be saying is that simply bringing up the subject of Jay Stephens in any way was unwise. I understand his feeling there, but I certainly didn't direct anybody to do anything. I don't know when the conversation with Ms. Hanson and Mr. Steiner occurred, so I can't respond to it in any way. What I can say, it may have happened before he ever talked to me for all I know. I just simply don't know. Senator HATCH. Was somebody else at the White House who did these things? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Again, I had one brief conversation with Mr. Steiner about this subject. What 1 would go on to say is I've never met Ms. Hanson. I've never directed or asked her to do anything. I never met Ms. Kulka. I never directed or asked her to do anything. I have never directed anyone to do anything of this kind. I did grant that I got angry about Jay Stephens when I asked how he was hired. I did get angry. I testified to that, I've said that in public dozens of times. I've said it under sworn testimony several times as well. And I would point out that all of these people that you point out have given sworn testimony to the Office of Government Ethics, to the Special Counsel Mr. Fiske, to the House Committee on Banking, to the Senate Committee on Banking, all of them Senator HATCH. Let me interrupt you there. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Let me finish my sentence. The Office of Government Ethics found no ethical violations and Mr. Fiske found no criminal violations of any way. So the suggestion that in any way I did direct anyone to do anything like this is simply wrong. Senator HATCH. Mr. Stephanopoulos, the fact of the matter is that these questions weren't asked by Special Counsel, and I'm asking them. I've asked them throughout this proceeding because I'm concerned about what happened. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Mr. Fiske asked me all about this area. Senator HATCH. Frankly, it looks to me like dissembling. Somebody is lying here. Either Steiner is lying or Altman is lying or Ms. Hanson is lying or somebody else. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I don't agree with that, sir. Senator HATCH. Let me just say this: I'm not reaching any conclusions, but have you-did you or Mr. Ickes ever review Title 18 USC 1505? That's the Federal Obstruction of Justice statute. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Mr. Fiske fully reviewed it and found absolutely no 416 Senator HATCH. Did you and Mr. Ickes review it together? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. No, sir. Senator HATCH. They could all three be lying, I suppose. That' what's bothering a lot of us up here. There are all kinds of inconsistencies. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. There are no inconsistencies in my state- whatsoever. Senator HATCH. There sure is between these three things what you're saying here today. And I don't know who's telling the truth here, but somebody is not telling the truth. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Mr. Fiske asked all of these people all of these questions, sir, and he found absolutely no criminal violation. All of these questions have been covered Senator HATCH. I submit to you that Mr. Fiske did not do a good job in this area and he didn't ask some of these questions and he didn't go into it and pursue it the way he s hould have pursued. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I don't know how you know that. Senator HATCH. How do you know it? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I was asked questions by Mr. Fiske. Senator HATCH. What bothers me is we're asking the questions and we're getting the answers, except you deny it. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I give you my testimony as I've always done. Senator HATCH. Mr. Stephanopoulos, let me say this. Joshua Steiner has testified that sometime during the week of February 14th, he received a telephone call from John Podesta or from Mr. Podesta's assistant, Todd Stern, regarding the RTC's hiring of Jay Stephens. When did you first learn about the hiring of Jay Stephens? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Much later than that. Either the 24th or the 25th. Senator HATCH. It was at or near the time these calls were made? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Yes. Mr. PODESTA. Senator, I feel compelled to correct the record. Senator HATCH. Sure. I'd feel glad to have you do it, John. Go ahead. Mr. PODESTA. I did not learn of Mr. Stephens' hiring until, at the earliest, the night of the 24th or the morning of the 25th, so I do not believe that Mr. Steiner's testimony can be correct on that point. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Hatch, the time has run. If you had one follow-up right here, I would certainly permit it.
Africa - Hunter looks / Hippopotamus
LS photographer and young black guide stand, backs to camera, facing a herd of elephants on African plain. Photographer takes a picture of the elephants. White 50-60 year-old male hunter (?) with binoculars around his neck stands amidst a group of pygmies (?). Group of hunters and guides tow dead hippo out of river. MS hunters/guides trying to tie something down to a tree with a chain. MS OTS photographer with camera on tripod as he photographs two Rhinoceroses.
Tension Increases
Tension Increases Tension along the Berlin Wall between East and West Berlin increases dangerously as East German soldiers reinforce the barricade through which more and more desperate people are escaping from the Soviet sector into Free West Berlin. Rack focus from barbed wire fence to guards on patrol. Sign reads HALT MINEN - with danger skull images. Mine fields. Soldiers look through binoculars. German officials and soldiers put barbed wire and fence posts into place at Berlin Wall.
August 4, 1994 - Part 9
(19:15:22) Senator HATCH. I do have one follow-up and I'll have to do the rest later. The CHAIRMAN. I will protect your time later, so it's not as if you will not have other opportunities. Senator HATCH. I appreciate that. Mr. Stephanopoulos, is it your testimony under oath before the Congress that you never told, requested, asked or suggested that Mr. Steiner or Mr. Altman find a way to fire or get rid of Mr. Stephens? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I don't remember saying anything like that at all. 417 Senator.HATCH. Do you deny that you said anything like that or had any conversation along those lines? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I have testified that I had a conversation asking how Jay Stephens came to be hired. I have testified that I got angry during that conversation. Senator HATCH. You don't have a recollection, but do you deny it? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Again, I have no recollection of saying anything like that in the conversation. Senator HATCH. I've got to tell you that saying I don't remember, I don't have a recollection doesn't suffice because this is an important matter. If you hadn't done such a thing, you would certainly know it. Had you done such a thing, you would certainly remember. I don't want to hold people to absolute recollection Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I know that I never directed anyone to take any action to impede an investigation. Senator DAMATO. That's not the question. You've been ducking this question now and ducking it and ducking it Senator DODD, He's answered the question. Senator DAMATO. No, he has not. Senator DODD. I think he has. Senator DAMATO. He has not. He's suggesting, but he hasn't answered the question. Senator DODD. Let him answer the question again. Senator HATCH. Let me put it one more time and you say whatever you want to. I want you to search our memory and I want to ask you one more time, under oath, did you ever tell, request, ask or suggest that Mr. Steiner or Mr. Altman or anybody else for that matter, find a way to fire or get rid of Mr. Stephens? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I never directed anyone to impede with that investigation in any way. Senator HATCH. Did you ever ask Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I never directed anyone to do anything like that. I have testified to my conversation. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Dodd. Senator DODD. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Let me just quickly ask by the way, what is Mr. Stephens doing today? Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. He's investigating the matter of Madison Guaranty. Senator DODD. So he's still on the job. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. Yes, sir. Senator DODD. I have three areas of concern, Mr. Chairman, that I think these witnesses can be of help to us. The first is the socalled pressure issue. I hate to use those words, but those seem to be the words that have become operative in regard to Mr. Altman. The second issue that I want to pursue is with you, Mr. Ickes, regarding the February 2nd meeting and the issue of what Mr. Altman said in that meeting regarding the statute of limitations and the date of February 28th, the date when the statute would run out. The third set of issues that this group of four witnesses can be of help with, is the issue of Mr. Altman's testimony before this Committee on the 24th of February and the issue regarding the ab- 418 sence of any reference to the recusal issue and the two other meet ings that occurred. So those are the three sets of issues. Quickly with regard to the first one, the so-called pressure issue, I'll ask all of You if You want to just quickly comment on this. I'm looking at a letter written that's been provided to us, from Mr. Altman to the President of the United States, and I gather it was sent on February 25th or there abouts. I won't read the whole letter, Mr. Chairman. I'll ask that it be included in the record. The CHAIRMAN. Without objection, it's so ordered. Senator DODD. In referencing the February 2nd meeting, Mr. Altman says to the President "the decision to have that meeting with your staff was dumb, and I take full responsibility for it." Let me ask the witnesses, is there any doubt in any of your minds that the holding of that meeting-I don't know if I want to use the word "dumb" or not, Mr. Altman's word, but it was certainly a mistake Mr. Lindsey. Mr. LINDSEY. I wouldn't disagree with Mr. Altman's assessment, Senator DODD. Mr. Podesta. Mr. PODESTA. I agree with Mr. Cutler and Mr. Altman. Mr. STEPHANOPOULOS. I wish it hadn't happened. Mr. ICKES. Likewise. Senator DODD. Let me say on this point, Mr. Chairman, because we've heard a lot of testimony back and forth on this issue, and I fully respect that different colleagues can arrive at different conclusions about this. I think it's worthwhile to note for those who may not be as familiar with who Mr. Altman is and his background, that he had been confirmed by the Senate, worked in a previous Administration in the 1980's, spent some 11 or 12 years on Wall Street as an investment banker, and had come back into this Administration. He is 48 years old; he's not 28. He's an adult, and has been through a number of different processes. A lot of things can happen, and a lot of people know this person. I think I've met him twice, frankly.
August 4, 1994 - Part 9
(19:20:25) But it doesn't strike me this is someone who was to be pressured. He obviously was having some real questions about this himself, and he said in testimony he wished he had just made it in the first place, so obviously he's uncertain during all of this. That is obviously clear. But the question of whether or not that uncertainty was arrived at as a result of pressure or his own doubts about the decision, I think it's pretty clear. In my view, it was because of his own doubts about it rather than someone exercising pressure. That's just my opinion. Let me move very quickly to the second issue, which I think is extremely important. Mr. Ickes, this has to do with your testimony, and the meeting on February 2nd. I want to return to your testimony, I may. First, as I understand it, you took notes at that meeting, and I think you included them with your opening statement; is that not correct? Mr. ICKES. I did, Senator Dodd. Senator DODD. Do these notes reflect what was being said at that meeting by Mr. Altman? Mr. ICKES. Well, the notes are very summary. It was a meet in my recollection of some 45 minutes or so so these notes 419 some aspects of that meeting, and some of those-most of those notes, to my recollection, reflect what was being said in some respects by Mr. Altman. Senator DODD. These notes reflect, at least to the extent they reflect what was said at that meeting, not necessarily everything that was said at that meeting, but they're an accurate reflection in your mind regarding the items of which you took notes about. Mr. ICKES. Yes. Senator DODD. Now, you gave a deposition to this Committee, did you not? Mr. ICKES. I did, sir. Senator DODD. Now, I'm going to read some of this deposition, if I may. I'll start on page 121 around line 11. This is Mr. Codinha, our Chief Counsel who asked "did Mr. Altman discuss the steps that the RTC was taking to got the information that they would need in order to make a determination on the statute of limitations?" Mr. Bennett-now, Mr. Bennett is your attorney. Mr. ICKES. He is. Senator DODD. Is that Mr. Robert Bennett? Mr. ICKES. Yes, sir. Senator DODD. "Mr. BENNETT: I'm going to ask, in fairness to the witness, if what your objective is to find out what happened, if you could show him his notes which were taken in real time. I mean, if you want an accurate rather than a guessing years later. "Mr. CODINHA. Years later? "Mr. BENNETT. Not years later. Months and months. The point is the most accurate record is his contemporaneous notes, so we don't get into a guessing game. I'd ask you to show him his notes. "By Mr. Codinha. "Question: Mr. Ickes, as best you recall, what was said about the subject? "Mr. BENNETT. Go ahead. Guess. Do your best." Is that the advice of your Counsel, to guess? Mr. ICKES. I think that that is an accurate transcription of Mr. Bennett's Senator DODD. Let me make a point here because depositions are different than trials, although someone might conclude we are in a trial setting. But in depositions it's not necessary nor is it required-in fact, it's allowed in many cases for witnesses to bring notes and extraneous material to refresh their memories in a deposition. Normally, in the conduct of a trial or a hearing, people do bring notes and are allowed to refer to those notes in order to refresh their memory. So what Mr. Codinha did in this particular case is entirely proper in the conduct of depositions, and I want that to be very, very clear here. But the fact of the matter is you were not allowed to look at your notes in responding to the questions. Is that true? Mr. ICKES. That is correct, Senator. Senator DODD. And your Counsel said, then, to guess in your answers. That was his advice. Mr. ICKES. He said "go ahead, guess. Do your best." Senator DODD. I'd like you to take a look at your notes, if you can. After you were asked to look at your notes-well, you've done 420 that. Let me go back to this point that Senator Kerry was raising earlier about the issue of whether or not you heard Mr. Altman state that it would be--I'm paraphrasing here--impossible or almost impossible to bring the claims prior to February 28 because they wouldn't be ready. Mr. ICKES. Senator, as I think I made-I hope I made clear in my opening statement, there's a distinction between deciding whether or not an agency should go ahead and litigate a full blown case, and there's obviously a number of considerations that go into that. Chief among them, whether there's a reasonable possibility of winning, the cost involved, et cetera, as opposed to whether there's sufficient evidence to file a claim.
Uneasy Peace In Algeria
Uneasy Peace In Algeria The streets of Algeria are -- at least momentarily -- free of bombings and bloodshed as a peace pact is announced between the OAS and the Moslems. Bitter denunciation of the pact by the OAS in Oran and elsewhere, however, threaten to shatter the peace. Bombed out buildings, destruction. Police monitor streets. Charles De Gaulle waves to crowd. Young boys, onlookers applaud (clapping). Charles De Gaulle Shaking hands with young men.
Water Shortage In Hong Kong
Water Shortage In Hong Kong The beset Crown Colony Hong Kong, already dangerously overcrowded, faces the calamitous problem of acute water shortage. Reservoirs are running dry, and the thousands of refugees from Red China are threatened with complete water famine. Aerial of reservoir, almost empty of water. Water running down mountain, in small stream. People with buckets and pails waiting to fill up water, outside. Children carry water pails. Various images of people filling up containers. Seaside, dock, boats.
Animals Cross Alps For New Pastures
Animals Cross Alps For New Pastures Herds of cattle, sheep and goats cross the Tyrolean Alps in an annual trek from their native Italian pastures to those on the Austrian side. Italian claim to the pastures creates a UN dilemma, but the animals make a striking picture against the snow. Men dig trenches for animals. View of single file line of animals in snow. Two men pull cow up hill. Shot of men clearing path, making trench.
Sports: Nicklaus Wins U.S. Open
Sports: Nicklaus Wins U.S. Open Jack Nicklaus takes the playoff for the United States Open Golf Championship from favored Arnold Palmer. The 22-year old lad from Ohio state beats the master by three strokes with a score of 71. Palmer teeing off. Crowd reaction shot, turning heads towards camera, watching ball. Jack Nicklaus tees off. Crowd follows as players walk course. Man holding score sign with Nicklaus and Palmer. Police escort Nicklaus. Players putting shots. Arnold Palmer congratulates Jack Nicklaus. Mrs. Nicklaus hugging her husband.
Bermuda Yacht Classic
Bermuda Yacht Classic Some of the most beautiful and fastest off-shore Yachts afloat start off from Newport, Rhode Island in the 635 mile race to Bermuda. The 131 Yachts make an impressive show running in fair breeze and a light sea. CU gun firing, from destroyer battleship. Traveling shot of churning water (wake) from side of boat. Various yachts.
Mr. K's Tour - Soviet Premier In Rumania
Mr. K's Tour - Soviet Premier In Rumania Nikita Khrushchev begins a week's tour of Rumania with a parade in Bucharest. Cheering workers, released from their jobs for the occasion, line the streets to see the Russian visitor and their own Party boss Georgia Dej pass by. Nikita wearing hat and glasses giving speech, shakes hands with official.