Rising out of the forest wilderness of Quebec is one of the forest wilderness of Quebec is one of the biggest power projects ever undertaken by man. Part of a multi-dam engineering feat that will harness 7,000,000 horsepower, Manicouagan Dam will be almost a mile long and back of it will be a man-made lake covering 800 square miles. Aerial shot of wilderness of Quebec you see the construction of a huge power project. A construction worker ready to put the plunger down on dynamiting a hill side, off it goes and down comes some of the hill. A huge scoop attached to a crane taking the loose dirt and rock and putting it aside. A lot of construction workers hosing the dirt down with water, scooping it up with cranes and working on the dam itself. Aerial shot - Dam is taking usual horseshoe form, camera widens it picture and you can see the over all view of the power plant taking form.
Arriving in New York ready for her maiden voyage to Europe is a freighter that foreshadows the future on the high seas. "The American Racer" is the nation's newest ship and the most automated ever built. One man on deck can handle the engines, boilers and auxiliary equipment with push-buttons. It cuts the crew by 25% New York Harbor a freighter on her maiden voyage in the fog set's out for Europe. Name of the freighter 'American Racer'. POV Looking up at the radar. Inside the control cabin is ships personal. Electronic device. Master counsel in the engine room. Some of the electronic panels. One of the ships engineers turning a knob. Ship engineer profile working the electronic panels that controls the ship. An electronic panel with blinking lights. Engineer getting a print out of the ships analysis. POV - A tug boat and a view of New York's Harbor. In the control cabin, an ship's officer runing the controls and speaking on the ship's phone. The 'American Racer' state of the arts freighter.
At West Point's Michie Stadium, the Pitt Panther roars as they claw the Cadets. The Army eleven, plagued by injuries this season, avoids a shutout late in the game as Carl Stichweh gets away a two-handed pass to Greg Steele that wipes out the goose egg. There's a sell out crowd at West Point's Michie Stadium, New York. Crowd sitting in their seats. West Point get off to a sad start with a fumble. Pittsburgh Panthers recover the ball. Panther QB passes to Crabtree and he runs it to Army's 6-yard line. Pittsburgh QB hand the football off to Barry McKnight and he runs it in for a touchdown. Scoreboard - Pittsburgh 9. Army (West Point) 0. Pass to Crabtree (Pittsburgh) and he runs it in for a 30-yard touchdown play. Crabtree takes the ball on a double reverse and takes the ball 28-yards to Army's 5-yard line. Two plays later Crabtree takes the football over and scores a touchdown! Army avoids a shut out late in the game they score 6 and gets a 2-point conversion. MCUS - Pitt U - 24, Army - 8, Quarter 4.
The Baltimore fans, 60,000 strong, see the league-leading Baltimore Colts take on the Vikings. The Minnesota team is the only one that had handed Baltimore a loss this year, but the Colts go on to win this game in the last few minutes with a pass from Johnny Unites that Alex Hawkins grabs as he tumbles into the end zone. Overview of a very packed football stadium and the football fans. Big banner 'Love our Colts'. Johnny Unitas passes the football 74-yards and it is caught by Lenny Moore and he takes it in for a touchdown, giving Baltimore 10 to 0 - lead. People in the stadium applauding and cheering. Fran Tarkenton passes to Hal Bedsole and the score is 10 to 7 Colts. Minnesota is hammering away. Bill Brown goes through the middle and makes a 69 yard drive, the Colts now trail 14 - 10. Unitas throws the football and the ball is caught by a leaping dive, Alex Hawkins and the Colts win - 17 Vikings 14.
(19:50:12) Mr. ALTMAN. Sure. I did receive a call, Senator, on February 25 in the afternoon, I'm not sure what time. Let me give you the background. That morning, yes, I decided to recuse myself I had several conversations with the public affairs people, including With Mr. DeVore down in Texas as to the right way to release it. Should we have a press release? Should we call in a reporter? Should we call in a few reporters? How should we do that? When I received the call from Mr. Raines, I had decided to recuse myself but I hadn't released it and I said to Mr. Raines, I'm recusing myself, that's true. It was not during the phone conversation I made that decision. I made it earlier, but in any event, I then received a phone call, perhaps sometime later and after my recusal decision had been released and was in the bands of the press, after that, and Mr. Stephanopoulos and Mr. Ickes were on the phone. The CHAIRMAN. They called you directly? 463 Mr. ALTMAN. Yes, sir. senator GRAMM. You called-both of them on the phone? Mr. ALTMAN. They were on the phone together, yes, Senator. And they said-well, they were angry, the two of them were angry, that they hadn't had any prior notification of my decision to recuse myself. The CHAIRMAN. What did they say to you? Mr. ALTMAN. I'm not sure of the exact words but something to the effect-and it was said with anger-why didn't you tell us you were going to do this? And I simply said I made this decision, and I released it. In retrospect, they probably had a good 0' point. I probably should have let them know out of courtesy be re I let the press know. I probably should have. The CHAIRMAN, How long did the conversation last? Mr. ALTMAN. Just a few minutes. The CHAIRMAN. A few minutes would be 2 minutes, 5 minutes, 7 minutes. Mr. ALTMAN. I would say 5 or 6 or 7 minutes. And I think they said that the President was upset also with the manner of the recusal. Then they asked me about Jay Stephens The CHAIRMAN. When you say you think they said it that's the kind of thing you probably wouldn' t forget. I mean, did they say that? Mr. ALTMAN. I believe they said that. Then they asked me about Jay Stephens, and I had never heard of Jay Stephens. And I literally said something to the effect of who's he and they told me be was a former U.S. Attorney, I think, an avowed political enemy of the President. I never heard of Mr. Stephens, and they said the RTC had retained him as Outside Counsel, and I said well, selection of Outside Counsel decisions are never brought to me. Never once in my whole RTC tenure did I ever get asked to approve an Outside Counsel's selection and I sure wasn't asked on that one. So those aren't brought to me. And then I said if he's been hired, he's been hired. That's it. At that point, Mr. Stephanopoulos suggested that I write a letter to the President explaining why I had released this recusal decision the way I did, and I said I would and a few days later I did, and you have a copy of that letter. The CHAIRMAN, Senator Bennett, I thought we should get a clarification on that. Senator BENNETT. Yes, I appreciate that. The CHAIRMAN. I didn't mean to take your time. Senator BENNETT. My time is gone. I have some other questions. I Will stick around for a second round. The CHAIRMAN. Senator D'Amato has asked to just raise one Point here. Senator D'AMATO. Mr. Chairman, the reason is because I think now I'm going to ask Mr. Altman. Mr. Altman, is it safe to assume now that you concede that there was a meeting following the February 2 meeting that took place at the White House that you called, whether you called-your memory is Mr. Ickes, that you went over there and that you met with Mr. Ickes to tell him about our decision not to recuse yourself Have we established that now? 464 Mr. ALTMAN. I called Mr. Ickes. We were going to a meeting together. I said I'd like to talk to you for a moment or two before the meeting, I did. And I said I'm not going to recuse myself for the time being. Senator D'AMATO. Did you call Ms, Hanson and beep her at lunch and she then followed you, you say get to the Treasury and she said she came to the Treasury, she missed you there, and they said go on over to the White House and she went over to the White House? That took place? Mr. ALTMAN. I asked that Ms. Hanson attend. Senator DAMATO. OK So that substantiates there was this, this getting together. Now, you wanted to tell. somebody of your decision. Is that a fair and accurate statement? I mean, that's what Maggie Williams says. Senator BOXER. Could I make a point of information? Where are we on time? I'm very confused. The CHAIRMAN. Where we are Senator BOXER. It's now 8 p.m. and some of us have never had a first round. I appreciate your concern, but we have 5 votes here Senator D'AMATO. I'm going to wrap it up in a minute if I can Senator BOXER. Whose time are you speaking on? Senator DAMATO. My own time.
A new beauty makes her debut in New York and she's the Toast of the Town. The new Verrazano-Narrows Bridge is the first link between Staten Island and the New York mainland. The $350,000,000 span brings to fulfillment a dream of many decades. Boasting the longest center span of any such structure, the mile-long bridge is crossed by 100,000 vehicles in the first day after dedication. Camera range is a long wide shot of the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge, its a little hazy out. Throngs turn out to take part in the celebration and dedication of the bridge. Robert Moses and Mayor Robert Wagner join in a traditional ribbon cutting. The bridge is officially opened to traffic and the lead car is a police vehicle and it leads the parade of cars going very slow. POV - Looking up and seeing the cables of the bridge, makes one dizzy. MS - Three helicopters fly in formation and the view from the bridge is simply breathtaking. All the official cars crossing the mile long bridge and afterwards it is opened to the public. A 1962 Cadillac convertible with a huge banner hanging from its side "First Over Verrazano Bridge" all the guys in their 20's are wearing tuxedos and shaking peoples hands as they drive by and they follow a police escort on motorcycles. The toll booth, and a nice 4-door 1957 Chevy drives into the toll booth. Low aerial shot - Thousands of cars bumper to bumper waiting in line and driving down on the ramps to be one of the first million people to cross the bridge in style. The toll at the time was .50 per vehicle. Statue of Liberty looks at the new suspension bridge. Evening shot Evening shot - Very pretty, the bridge is covered in lights and the cars have their lights on crossing the mile long bridge
With thousands dead and 700,000 homeless, helicopters from the United States Carrier Princeton rush food supplies to the stricken areas. Heavy rains and floods compounded the misery of the savage war in Vietnam and the drive against the Vietcong rebels was forgotten as all efforts turned to feeding the hungry natives. Military, aircraft carrier - Princeton - with helicopters landing on the deck, sailors helping them get situated. Sailors getting flour off a fork lift and carrying them over to the helicopters for transport to the victims of the flood. Two sailors sitting and watching over the procedure of getting food off to the needy. Helicopter taking off the deck of the ship. Aerial shot - Vietnam below. Army in waiting as the helicopter lands on the tarmac. Helicopters being unloaded by military and the North Vietnamese. The bag of rice, from America. POV - Off a deck of a boat a Vietnamese village. Children being helped off a truck. Children eating a rice care or something made of flour. A destroyed home that's laying on its side. A boat that is floating on once on dry land now covered with water.
Many things go on behind-the -scenes before Milady can luxuriate in a new fur coat. The fur auction is one, as high prices are bid for Great Lakes ranch mink. A little magic from the stylists and, presto, the result: it makes you feel warm all over. Fur auction, buyers sitting with pads of paper and pens. Model wearing a hip length fur jacket with a Peter Pan collar. Model wearing a short fur jacket coat, rounded collar. Model wearing a long fur coat with 7/8 the sleeves, dark brown in color. A limousine pulls up in front of a theater and a model exits the limo wearing a full length brown fur coat and she is escorted by a gentleman wearing a tux.
Gymnastics and such acrobatics are not too popular in the U.S.A., but in countries like Germany exhibitions draw large crowds. At Ulm, they vie in balancing and pyramid-building contests, while at Hamburg, they limber up for the 1968 Olympics - only four years away. Ulm, Germany Demonstration on how strong his arms are by using his hands to walk on, walking up the stairs using his hands. Woman is balancing herself on one arm using her hand to grip on to a balancing device. A cylinder with a board, a girl balancing herself on this board with another girl on her shoulders doing a hand stand. Girls building a human pyramid, this pyramid is four girls high. Hamburg, Germany A female gymnast doing flips on the floor mats, the camera is put on slow motion to show the couture of the body as this girl is flipping. A young gymnastic doing her routine on the uneven bars or parallel bars, camera is put on slow motion and she flits and flies with the ease of a bird, hitting the mat with a solid thud and arched back.
Southern California's Craig Fertig has a day that won't readily "pass" from mind as he bombards the University of California, Los Angeles, with touchdown passes. He throws three bombs that help Southern Cal stay in the Rose Bowl running. The UCLA Marching Band is on the football field. The people in the stadium are standing on their feet. The football teams are facing off and the game is on. Craig Fertig is the QB and he throws the ball, he catches the ball and runs into the end zone scoring a touchdown! Scoreboard, first quarter. Rod Sherman gets the hand off of the football and takes off down the field and runs it all the way home scoring a touchdown! UCLA Larry Zeno has the ball and he throws it to the end zone and it is a touchdown! Fertig has the ball and while he's running he throws the ball to Rod Sherman and he shakes off the tacklers breaking away and he runs all the way to the end zone for a touchdown! Mike Garrett is handed the ball and he takes off down the field for 18 yards to the 5 yard line. UCLA gets the ball and over the line and into the end zone, touchdown! Craig Fertig passes the ball while running to the end zone and it is a touchdown! Southern California 34 and UCLA 13.
That's not a misspelling - TV's way-out family, "The Munsters" help escort Santa Claus to New York to usher in the Christmas season. They drive down Broadway in their $20,000 "Munstermobile" hot rod racer that groans on all six-cylinders, but gets only three miles to the ghoulin. Featuring Fred Gwyne and Al Lewis (both in Munsters makeup). High school marching girls. People in the crowd, a little child sitting on the shoulders of a parent. Clowns. Little boy on the shoulders of a parent. Float from Radio City Music Hall. Kids sitting on the sidewalk. The Big Bad Wolf marching in the parade. Donald Duck inflated huge balloon. Humpty Dumpy. Town car of the "Munsters" The motor of the car and the hood ornament, a spider web and spider in the car window. The Munster Family Crest on the door of the car. Fred Gwyne and Al Lewis in makeup. The parade crowd with balloons held by strings. Santa Clause and his house, Santa waving to all the people.
The Cadets come into Philadelphia looking for blood - Navy blood. The Midshipmen have come out on top in each of their last five meetings - but this year it's a different story as the West Pointers down the boys from Annapolis, 11 to 8 in a game that was a thriller. Wide shot the sports stadium and the people filling up the seats. Cadets and marching bands all lined up. The two teams of football players facing each other and the game is on. Army's quarterback Roger Staubach is taken down by the Navy. John Seymour running the football and he picks up 32 yards. Rollie Stichweh QB throws the football to Sam Champi and scores a touchdown, putting the West Pointers in the lead. Roger Staubach throws a football and it is caught by Tom Leiser and he is just inches away from the goal line, in the next play he carries the football over scoring a touchdown! Navy Cadets jumping up and down with joy. Staubach throws a pass and it is caught in the end zone by Phil Norton, and the score is tied up 8 to 8. You see all the white hats moving up and down. Stichweh throws to Tom Williams puts the ball just where the Army wants it. Barry Nickerson boots the football for a field goal and gives the Army the winning three point margin.
With nine straight victories under their belt, the Irish come roaring into Los Angeles, but leave with bowed and bloody heads. The U.S.C. eleven comes back in the second half to outplay Notre Dame to a fare-the-well and win the game with less than a minute and a half to play. They topple the Irish from their Number One ranking. Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum. Crowd. Notre Dame throws a touchdown pass to Jack Snow. Scoreboard. Notre Dame tosses the ball and they score a touchdown. USC has the ball and Mike Garrett has the ball and makes first down. Mike Garrett is handed the football and makes his way for a touchdown. Football fans. Southern California's, Craig Fertig throws the football to Fred Hill for 14-yards. Craig Fertig throws for a 23 yard touchdown to Fred Hill. Football fans jumping with joy. Fertig throws to Fred Hill for 23-yards.
(19:55:18) The CHAIRMAN. What happened, Senator Boxer, I have tried at every point to accommodate Senators who have made special requests or who have run over or at some particular point have need, ed to proceed for a moment. I've tried to do that with everyone her( and will continue to try to do that. Senator D'Amato just asked me if he could have a moment here to make this point. You never know how long somebody is going go when you do that. Senator BOXER. I'm going to as you the same thing The CHAIRMAN. We're not going to go much longer. I do not think he's asked to go much longer. Senator DAMATO. I'm just trying to make this point. Senator KERRY. Mr. Chairman, could I inquire for the proceed ings for the evening, is it your intention to go until we finish to night or is there a possibility we might tie the witness The CHAIRMAN. Yes. Senator KERRY. I'm just curious. The CHAIRMAN. My intention would be to proceed as we did yes, terday. We may very well take a break here if the witness wants one , as we did last night, and that we continue until every Senator who has remaining questions to ask has the chance to ask them. I have not discussed this with Mr. Altman. When I put that question yesterday in your presence to Ms. Hanson, it was her wish as we I I despite the fact that she was tired, that she stay and finish as opposed to, cutting it off and then coming back another day. So it will be my intention to continue tonight as long as we need to so Senators can have the time they need. In yielding for a moment to Senator D'Amato, let me just say to anybody here, to Senator Boxer or anybody else, if you want 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 more question periods, we'll take them. We're not going to leave here until every Senator is satisfied. 465 Senator BOXER. Mr. Chairman, that is the point. The point is we should go in order, and I appreciate that Senator D'Amato is very concerned about this. Well, so am I, and so is Senator Bryan who 's been waiting hours and the rest of us with the Senate, I would just like to insist that the Chair be fair here. I mean, he's a gentleman, he's a scholar, and be's a fine, fair Chairman, but I think we should go in order and then at the end of the evening those who want to be here until 1 a.m., 2 a.m. in the morning, let be here until 1 a.m., 2 a.m. in the morning. Senator MURRAY. Mr. Chairman, let me just add that when you first made your announcement I calculated that I would be asking questions about 8:10 p.m. It's now about 9:40 p.m. As the last person here, I would really appreciate it if you could keep it to the time. The CHAIRMAN. I think what we're bearing is a request that we stick to the time clock. I understand that and let's Senator KERRY. Mr. Chairman, the only thing I want to come back to is, I don't know if we heard from the witness, in fairness, whether or not he would like to break for a moment. He's been on-I I ' not trying to change the routine, but I think we ought to just ascertain it. Mr. ALTMAN. I would like a 5- or 10-minute break. I'm prepared To go a little further. It doesn't have to be this moment. Senator BRYAN, Let me suggest that Senator DAmato's question be responded to, and we take a break, and perhaps, if it doesn't get a anybody too upset, I'd like to ask a couple. The CHAIRMAN. You're next in the order, Senator Bryan. Senator DODD. You have a lot of nerve, Senator. [Laughter.] The CHAIRMAN. Then what I'm going to do is-we've navigated a lot of tense moments here. Everybody is tired. I understand that-and people want to have their chance and they will do so. Can you finish in 30 seconds? And if Mr. Altman has a response, give it, and then we'll take a break for 10 minutes and then well resume Senator DAMATO. It will take about 2 minutes, but I think it's important and if my colleagues would just bear me out, you'll understand why. We have established there was a meeting on the 3rd, that you called the White House, that you got Ickes. There happens to be a controversy over Maggie Williams saying that she got the call, but anyway, she recalls being at this meeting. Mr. Ickes recalls being at the meeting. Mr. Eggleston, of the White House staff, recalls being at the meeting. Ms. Hanson showed up, she got there late when it had been concluded, and essentially it was for you to advise him you bad decided to stay on, and not recuse yourself. Is that fair? Mr. ALTMAN. I said I would not be recusing myself for the time being Senator DAMATO. Fine. OK Good. Now, I refer you to February 24 and when we bad our hearing. At that hearing, I said as it related to-after you revealed that there was a meeting on February 9" I said did any of- oh, did anyone request this meeting? How did this meeting come about? This is the meeting you told us about. This is about the meeting on February 2. 466 Mr. Altman, you responded "I requested the meeting." I then asked you, "Was there any other meeting that may have been requested?" Mr. Altman, you said, "No----' Mr. Altman, you told us clearly no and that happens not to be the case.
The Himalayan Mountains are the dwelling place of the Hindu God Shiva. Each year thousands of India's faithful make a pilgrimage to his ice cave to wash away sickness & sin. It's a long, hard journey, 14,000 feet from the hot plains of India into the bitter cold. Amarnath Temple, Himalayan Mountains, Kashmir, India. LS snowy Himalayan Mountains. LS Amaranth pilgrim train on path overlooking river. TLS/LSs - Hindu pilgrims walking along scenic hilly, rocky paths. TLS pilgrims on horses on path overlooking snowy valley. Scenic LS mountain lake. High angle LS pilgrims bathing in stream; MS three shirtless Hindu men bathing in icy water. LS Shiva's Cave (Amaranth Cave, Holy Cave), pilgrim train in FG. Rear view Hindu pilgrims passing through gates. MS Hindu holy man sitting beside the Shiv Lingam ice stalagmite shrine, Hindu faithful paying respects. MS Hindu men in cave. CU wall painting of Lord Shiva. LS Amaranth Cave. LS snowy Himalayan Mountains.
(20:00:12) Mr. ALTMAN. Senator DAmato, I interpreted your question as referring to requests from the White House and I think that was a fair interpretation because of the preceding questions which -involved discussions about the White House and the President's involvement. I said that I requested the February 2 meeting and you asked your question. I just interpreted it to mean a request from the White House and you immediately followed up and said Senator DAMATO. Excuse me. Let's read the transcript. Senator BOXER. Mr. Chairman, I am going to Senator DAMATO. "Senator D'Amato would you look at the transcript. It says, "was there any other meeting that may have been requested?' That's after you said you requested the February 2 meeting. I then said was there any other meeting. You said no. The CHAIRMAN. Let's do this, if I may. Senator KERRY. Let's have an answer, please. Senator DAMATO. Is that true? Senator DODD. Let's have an answer, cool the temperatures down a little bit. Senator BOXER. Lees take a break. Senator GRAMM. Let's try to get through it. The CHAIRMAN. Why don't you give a response and if there's a need for a follow-up, let's let him look at this over the recess as well, but respond Mr. Altman, to what's just been put to you. Mr. ALTMAN. I think---- Senator DODD. Are you looking now at the transcript? Mr. ALTMAN. I'm looking at the transcript. I thought that Senator D'Amato's question related to requests by the White House. Let me tell you what his follow-up was Senator DODD. Please let him answer. Mr. ALTMAN. Senator Senator GRAMM. He changes the question. Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, I know you may not agree, but that is what I thought. And you clarified your own question by saying, "you mean there was no other meeting that you were aware of that the White House requested?" That was your own clarification of your own question. I think there's a reasonable basis for me to have thought what your question was. Senator D'AMATO. And I would just appeal-and I would just simply say the record states quite clearly, I asked you who set up the meeting on the 2nd. You said Senator MOSELEY-BRAUN. Mr. Chairman, this is not Senator DAMATO. We're at a critical, crucial issue. It may be embarrassing to Mr. Altman but be has a happy facility Senator DODD, I don't think any of our colleagues are afraid of asking embarrassing questions. Senator D'AMATO. If I could The CHAIRMAN. Let's do this Senator MOSELEY-BRAUN. Mr. Chairman 467 Senator DAMATO. Fin,;. Let me say this. My colleagues have been very patient. We will return to this question. Senator MOSELEY-BRAUN. Good. Senator DAMATO. I thank them for their patience, but I'd like the question answered eventually. Senator BOXER. Absolutely. The CHAIRMAN. The Committee now will take a 10-minute recess and when we resume, Senator Bryan will be recognized. The Committee stands in recess. (20:02:45) [Recess.] (20:02:47) Commentary hearing hosts DON BODE and NINA TOTENBERG from tv studio, they also talk to J. WILLIAM CORDINHA (?) Majority Counsel (20:09:03)(tape #10071 ends)
(20:00:32) Mr. ALTMAN. I would have done it sooner. I didn't, you know I didn't think about it until the very end of January, or the 1st of February because of the Ricki Tigert matter, so it wasn't on my mind for a great deal of time. But when I began to think about it I then took 3 weeks to make that decision and I should have taken 1 day. Senator MOSELEY-BRAUN. Well, I think that will I'll conclude my questions and reserve the remainder of my questions for the second round, if we ever get to it this year. Senator SARBANES. Thank you very much. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you very much, Senator MOSELEY-BRAUN. Senator Hatch. Senator HATCH. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.,- Mr. Altman, I'm going to ask you about a telephone conversation you had with Harold Iles and George Stephanopoulos. It was on February 25. Do you remember having that telephone conversation? Mr. ALTMAN. Yes, Senator, I do. Senator HATCH. In that call, according to your testimony in the deposition Mr. Ickes and Mr. Stephanopoulos raised with you the manner of the RTC's hiring of Jay Stephens as Outside Counsel in the Madison Guaranty case; right; Mr. ALTMAN. Yes, Senator Senator HATCH. They were both very upset by the fact that the RTC had actually retained the Pillsbury, Madison & Sutro law firm with Jay Stephens at that time or, at least, Jay Stephens? Mr. ALTMAN. Well, that was my sense es Senator HATCH. And they asked you how they had been hired; isn't that right? Mr. ALTMAN. In essence, yes. Senator HATCH. You understood from this telephone call that Mr. Ickes and Mr. Ste phanopoulos would have preferred that Jay Stephens not be hired nor working on the Madison Guaranty matter. That was, in essence, what you understood as well? Mr. ALTMAN. I understood the were unhappy that he had Senator HATCH. Sure. After this is telephone conversation, then did you speak about it then with Mr. Joshua Steiner; is that right? Mr. ALTMAN. At some point that day I did, yes, Senator. Senator HATCH. That's what he says. And you told Mr. Steiner you thought Mr. Ickes and Mr. Stephanopoulos were unwise to have called you about Jay Stephens. Mr. ALTMAN. Yes, sir, Senator HATCH. That's your own deposition, Mr. ALTMAN. Yes, sir. (20:02:29)(tape #10072 ends)
Disaster is slowly descending on the tiny village of Landal in the Austrian Tyrol. The inhabitants say: "the mountain is running away" as tons of dirt and mud slowly engulf the village of their ancestors. Help has come from all over Europe. Heavy equipment is trying to move the River Ache back into its bed and many of the 600 evacuated inhabitants hope someday to return to the village. A small village of Landal in the Austrian, Tyrol is engulfed by a landslide of mud and rock. A stream flowing down the mountain as a result of the heavy rains. A man standing on a walk-way just watching the menacing water as it formed a water fall. Families carrying their children away from their homes fleeing from the danger of the mud slides. A huge hunk of the mountain is slowly moving down in the raging stream. A father carrying his child in his arms running to safety. A steam shovel removing tons of mud from the aftermath of a land slide. Water pouring down from the mountain in back and around a home. Units of Austrian Pioneer Core hip high in raging water working around the clock trying to save parts of the village. Water invading a house. Pioneer Core rerouting the Aka river back into its channel. Man with a jack-hammer. An explosive set off in hopes of rerouting the river. The aftermath of one of the mud slides and a house standing in the midst of mud.
The Irish quarterback, John Huarte is the winner of the Heisman Trophy, football's most coveted honor. At the Downtown Athletic Club in New York he receives congratulations and newsreel films show him in action - the kind of action that helped him lead Notre Dame to one of its best seasons in recent years. John Huarte being interviewed. The Heisman Trophy, a bronze statue of a football player. Francis Berry congratulating John Huarte. Notre Dame on the field with Michigan State John Huarte as the Quarterback. John Huarte sitting with his Heisman Trophy and he's football 'Man of the Year'.
Texas Christian University and Southern Methodist wind up their season at Dallas in a wild and wooly game. TCU scores twice in the first half, but SMU holds them later as they score once themselves. Then Texas Christian takes three points for insurance with a field goal and winds up the winner - 17 to 6. Football players on the field. Texas Christian University receives the ball and carry's the ball 6 yards. Texas Christian University scores. Southern Methodist runs the ball 12 yards into the end-zone - touchdown! Southern Methodist kicks the ball and TCU picks up the ball and returns it 23 yards. TCU runs the ball for 8 yards. Texas Christian kicks a 23 yard field goal.
That perennial artist, Jack Frost, hadn't been heard of around Niagara Falls and the East Coast for some time, but he blew into town to stage one of his more spectacular one-man shows. From Maine to Carolina they know that Indian Summer is over. These are days of sneezes and sniffles, anti freeze and fuel bills. A very scenic look at Niagara Fall in the mist of a very cold winter. A family standing at a look out site enjoying the view. Ice incrusted trees, looking very whimsical. People walking on a park path enjoying the intoxicating sights of winter. A picturesque site, a frozen lagoon with surrounding trees and shrubbery. A Weeping Willow incrusted with ice. Trees that have been distorted by the ice that engulfed them. Camera panning the telephone lines that has been incrusted with the ice. The electric company out in full force attending to the broken wires making sure that all the people have their electric on. A telephone man high on the telephone utility pole making sure people have the use of their telephones. Camera man faces his camera to on coming traffic. Ice covered evergreens.
At the White House the nation's highest decoration for gallantry is conferred by President Johnson on Captain Roger Donlon, the first military hero of the hostilities in South Vietnam. Captain Donlon was on six months temporary duty at Nam Dong when, despite four wounds, he rallied his men to throw back a concerted Red attack. Washington DC Exterior of the White House 'Fall Day". President Johnson standing at the podium with men from different branches of the military. Capitan Roger Donlon. President Johnson. Audience. President Johnson placing the Medal of Honor around Capitan Roger Donlon's neck. Capitan Donlon's mother. Vietnam Special Forces headquarters, three men seem to be overlooking a map. Four men approaching a sand bag ring that protected the men from harms way. Special forces men coming out of a fox hole. Washington DC Senator McNamara, President Johnson and Capitan Roger Donlon. Mrs. Donlon shaking hands with the President. Three men and three branches of the service, Army, Marine and Navy. Mrs. Donlon speaking with Senator McNamara and Capitan Donlon shaking hands and talking with President Johnson.
There are simple and impressive ceremonies at Pearl Harbor to mark the 23rd anniversary of the "Day Of Infamy". The battleship "Arizona" is the tomb of 1,102 men and the flag is raised over the monument, for the "Arizona" still remains in commission as a United States Navy vessel. A medium size boat pulls up along side the pier of the Pearl Harbor Monument dedicated to the "Arizona". Sailors going up some stairs with weapons in hand. A sailor playing taps. Sailor playing taps and the raising of the American Flag. The top part of the Arizona sticking up out of the water. A plaque dedicated to the memory of the gallant men who are entombed in the ship and their shipmates who gave their lives in action. American Flag blowing in the wind. The Arizona.
(18:29:15)(tape #10072 begins) Senator DODD. I don't think any of our colleagues are afraid of asking embarrassing questions. Senator D'AMATO. If I could The CHAIRMAN. Let's do this Senator MOSELEY-BRAUN. Mr. Chairman 467 Senator DAMATO. Fine;. Let me say this. My colleagues have been very patient. We will return to this question. Senator MOSELEY-BRAUN. Good. Senator DAMATO. I thank them for their patience, but I'd like the question answered eventually. Senator BOXER. Absolutely. The CHAIRMAN. The Committee now will take a 10-minute recess and when we resume, Senator Bryan will be recognized. The Committee stands in recess. (18:29:45) [Recess.] (18:29:47) Commentary hearing hosts DON BODE and NINA TOTENBERG from tv studio, they also talk to J. WILLIAM CORDINHA (?) Majority Counsel (18:49:11) Hearing resumes: The CHAIRMAN. The Committee will resume. Let me invite everyone to find a seat and we'll begin with Senator Bryan of Nevada. Senator BRYAN. Mr. Chairman, thank you very much. Let me make an observation or two before I get into my line of questions. This is our third day. It's late in the evening, and what strikes me, in retrospect, is how avoidable all of this was. It's clear from the evidence before us that neither the President nor anyone in the White House or this Administration in any way tried to interfere with the course of the investigation or referral process that relates to the RTC. The Office of Government Ethics has opined that there was no violation of any ethical standards, and I must say what I find particularly regrettable, in my view, is in my dealings with this Administration that the Treasury Department was and is really one of the shining stars. I think its focus in terms of reexamining some of the burdens that we've placed on business, its receptiveness to new approaches, its responsiveness has been something that I've found most gratifying, So being left with this very difficult situation that we deal with this evening, I think, is particularly unfortunate. Mr. Altman, I think you were placed, as I said in my opening statement last Friday night, in an untenable position. You were asked to wear two hats, you were dancing back and forth across this line which a lot of us felt was perhaps more carefully crafted from a legislative perspective, that is to keep the RTC separate and apart from the Treasury Department. So I acknowledge that you were in a very difficult situation. I guess at this juncture we're really here to-much as a jury to ascertain what the facts are. Let me tell you some of the things that trouble me. You go back to March 23, 1993, and Mr. Roelle indicates that he talked with you and informed you about the Madison referrals. You've indicated that you have no recollection, but I must say that circumstantially I find it more than just a bit curious that on that day and the following day two articles from The New York Times are faxed to Mr. Nussbaum. Let me be clear, I don't think there is any violation in terms of sending those articles to anyone, but I do find that there is at least some probative value, some circumstantial evidence, that would tend to bear out Mr. Roelle. Then we get down to the September 29 meeting at the White House. Ms. Hanson says that you're the one that asked her to set that up and you say that you did not do so, that you do not know how she may have reached that conclusion in a colloquy with initially Senator SARBANES. and later with other Members, concede 468 that there may have been some inference that she may have drawn, but you do not really understand how she could have reached that conclusion. Then on October 6, Mr. Roelle testifies that, indeed, he was privy to a conversation that you requested Hanson to set up a meeting at the White House on the 14th of October and you indicate that you do not have a recollection of that conversation. Senator Kerry probed you on that. I must say in trying to determine who is the most credible among those who are testifying to what I understand are many, many different dates, and many conversations and fact patterns, I'm beginning to see a pattern here that's troublesome. Then we move to the question of the testimony before this Committee on the 24th and I must say, Mr. Altman, I don't think that you were very forthright on that. Then we deal with the question of recusal, and I must say that was not in my judgment one of your finest hours. So let me focus for a bit here on the recusal process, and what you yourself were thinking as you were trying to make your decision ultimately made on the 25th of February. Mr. ALTMAN. Senator, may I take 30 seconds? Senator BRYAN. You may, indeed. Mr. ALTMAN. I want to try to express myself better. I don't recall the March 1993, discussion with Mr. Roelle, but it may have happened. I'm not trying to say categorically it didn't. I just don't recall it. I think the salient point is no one has suggested that I imparted improper information to anyone. Senator BRYAN. And that is not at issue. Mr. ALTMAN. But, Senator Bryan, it may have happened. Now, I don't recall the other two you asked me about. And the one thing I feel strongly about, if I bad tasked Ms. Hanson to go there I think I would have remembered it. But seriously, it [the March 1993 discussion] may have happened. I'm not trying to suggest categorically it didn't. So I just wanted to clarify that in that respect. senator BRYAN. You understand that we who are trying to reconstruct what occurred obviously have to look at the totality of circumstances. I'm trying to be very candid with you, Mr. Altman. I mean I'm looking at this is cumulative evidence that comes and trying to determine who is being more truthful. I have to tell you that those are some concerns. Let me give you a chance to talk about the recusal process. If you can give me a time frame when did you first begin to, in your own mind, entertain the possibility that, look, maybe I ought to recuse myself? I'm asking you just a rough time frame, you may not recall the exact day but give me Mr. ALTMAN. It was right around the end of January when the question was beginning to be raised about Ricki Tigert's nomination, and the recusal issues related to her,