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August 2, 1994 - Part 2
(11:10:36) Mr. STEINER. Senator, I think Mr. Altman sent out a clear direction as to how be wanted this case handled. That's what executives often do. They give clear direction as to how they want something to proceed. senator KERRY. Was there any indication from Mr. Ryan or Ms. Kulka that it would proceed any, way than otherwise? Mr. STEINER. I don't believe so. No, Senator. Senator KERRY. Then what was the concern? Mr. STEINER. The concern, as I mentioned, as mentioned by Mr. Nussbaum. Senator KERRY. I understand the concern expressed by Mr. Nussbaum, and he'll be here, as will others, to explain it. I'm just trying to understand. I think your diary is very refreshing. I think it's very honest. know you, I know yo're honest, and I know the idealism with which you approach this process. I think you have nothing but the highest public motives at stake. You are the kind of person we need involved in public service. You certainly weren't writing the diary for the purposes of being untruthful, were you? Mr. STEINER. Senator, absolutely not. Senator KERRY. I assume you wanted to have the most accurate diary you could have had, don't you? Mr. STEINER. I want to repeat, Senator, if I could, and I'm sure you're getting tired of hearing this, but the purpose was not to write a precise narrative or to give an exact chronology of what took place. Over the past 5 months, I've had to live with this document, and I've had to go and testify under oath about exactly what I knew and exactly what I think occurred. That's what I'm trying to do for 349 you today. Senator KERRY. I appreciate that, but my time is up. I don't want to cut you off at all. My time is up, and I want to stick by the time limits. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you. Senator Faircloth. OPENING COMMENTS OF SENATOR LAUCH FAIRCLOTH Senator FAIRCLOTH. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'll go to Mr. Steiner also. And if you will, pull that microphone real close and speak a little slower. Mr. STEINER. Yes, sir. Senator FAIRCLOTH. You testified that you believe that Roger Altman was candid with the Committee, yet you wrote in your diary that Altman gracefully ducked the recusal issue. Is it your testimony that being candid and gracefully ducking are consistent? Mr. STEINER. Senator, I don't believe that lie ducked any questions about recusal. I don't believe he was asked any questions about recusal. Senator FAIRCLOTH. What do you mean by gracefully ducking the recusal issue? Mr. STEINER. The illusion here, Senator, is not to the recusal issue. The illusion is to questions concerning the Treasury-White House contacts. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Do you mean to tell me avoiding answering questions on the issue when you say you're ducking, is that what you mean? Mr. STEINER. Senator Senator FAIRCLOTH. Give me your description of ducking a question. Mr. STEINER. Senator, as I said, I think Mr. Altman was truthful in his testimony before you. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Is truthful and ducking consistent in testimony? Mr. STEINER. I think Mr. Altman was asked a question which he did not anticipate, and he answered in a way that allowed him to convey the information in the clearest possible way that be could. Senator DAMATO. Mr. Steiner, if I might, what question are you referring to that he did not anticipate? Mr. STEINER. I believe he was asked about Treasury-White House contacts. Senator D'AMATO. Would it change your mind if you were to know that the evening before, in a conversation with me, that I had advised him that we would be asking him directly what contacts he had, and Treasury bad, with the White House. Were you aware of that phone conversation I had with Mr. Altman? Mr. STEINER. No, I was not, Senator. Senator D'AMATO. Would that change your mind? If I told him, the evening before, we are going to a askwhat contacts you, or Treasury, or your staff, and the staff I at the White House have bad. 350 Senator FAIRCLOTH. And you're telling me that he gracefully ducked the questions. He knew what was going to be asked. Mr. STEINER. Well, Senator Senator FAIRCLOTH. The whole thing is, be knew what he was going to be asked. He wasn't surp rised. And you're saying that he very gracefully ducked. So, in other words, I don't know, make a distinction between ducking and lying? Mr. STEINER. Senator, if I were to describe that testimony today, I would undoubtedly choose different words. Senator FAIRCLOTH. What now? Mr. STEINER. If I were to describe the testimony today Senator FAIRCLOTH. I'm sure of that. I've never doubted that. Lord have mercy. I knew you'd use different words today, But you tell me the difference between ducking and lying? Mr. STEINER. Senator, as I said before, I do not believe that Mr, Altman lied or attempted to mislead this Committee. I believe he spoke truthfully and to the best of his knowledge.
August 2, 1994 - Part 2
(11:15:35) Senator FAIRCLOTH. If ducking's not misleading-ducking is misleading, now what does lying do. Mr. STEINER. Senator, as I said, I have no reason to believe, nor do I believe, that Mr. Altman lied to this Committee. Senator FAIRCLOTH. But he ducked? Mr. STEINER. Senator, I think he was asked a question which be didn't anticipate. Senator FAIRCLOTH. In fact, you kind of admired his ducking because you said he ducked gracefully rather than clumsily. I mean, that's nicer ducking than kind of stumbling through a duck, to gracefully duck. Mr. Foreman. Mr. FOREMAN. Yes, Sir? Senator FAIRCLOTH. In your deposition, you testified about a conversation you bad with Beth Nolan who worked for Bill Clinton in the White House. In that conversation, you said that you told her that there was concern about the possibility of new leadership at the RTC, in other words, somebody besides Altman. You said the concern was that the new leadership might, and I quote, "come up with some off-the-wall decisions relative to the Madison civil case." Mr. Foreman, as Ethics Director, why should you care whether someone other than Roger Altman made the decision about the Madison Guaranty civil case? You're the Ethics Director. You're supposed to be grading them, not directing them. Mr. FOREMAN. Senator, excuse me. That was not my comment from my head. I was passing on something that I bad heard. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Wait a minute, what now? Who were you passing it on from? Mr. FOREMAN. To the best of my recollection, Ms. Hanson said to me, something like there was concern because the other leadership in the RTC was brand new in their positions and someone bad expressed a concern that there was no experience with the thoroughness and fairness with which they made decisions, That was the basis of the comment that I passed on to Ms. Nolan. Senator FAIRCLOTH. I would think the Ethics Director, you're somewhat of a judge. You're supposed to be setting, the example, isn't that right? 351 Mr. FOREMAN. I would like to think so. Senator FAIRCLOTH. So you're worried about passing,,, on information as to who might come up with something different would produce a different outcome from what you all were hoping for. Mr. FOREMAN. Senator, that's not what that comment goes toward. One of the factors, when one looks to decide to make a discretionary decision of whether to recuse is looking at the other people who would be making the decision if that person doesn't. It's one of the factors listed in section 5.02. 1 was merely passing on a comment that someone bad made to me. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Let me ask you another question, then, and if you'll be shorter in your answer, Mr. Foreman. In depositions, we have learned that you had a conversation with Jean Hanson who testified here yesterday for 8 hours. In that conversation, you and Jean Hanson talked of concerns that Ellen Kulka would be the one making the decisions about Madison Guarantee Yesterday, we learned that Ellen Kulka is regarded as being a tough lawyer. If you weren't trying to influence the outcome of the decision on whether to file civil cases in the Madison matter, why were you concerned about a tough lawyer being the one to make the decision? Mr. FOREMAN. I wasn't concerned at all about a tough lawyer making the decision. That was fine with me, I had no view on the question of who would be making the decision. My only interest was that somebody bad mentioned this, which is a fact related to people who would be making the decision if Roger didn't. I personally had no concern about that, and as I said before, I believed that Mr. Altman should recuse himself from this matter. Senator FAIRCLOTH. Bernard Nussbaum complained to Jean Hanson about the choice of Ellen Kulka, the person who will make the decision in the Madison matter. Nussbaum, twice, wanted to know how Kulka got hired without being cleared by him, even though the RTC is supposed to be an independent agency. The White House wanted to take the Madison Guaranty civil cases away from Ellen Kulka, and ]instead, put the decision in the hands of Robert Fiske. Why would the White House want to replace a lawyer that the think is too tough with Robert Fiske? Were they thinking he'd be softer? Mr. FOREMAN. I don't have any idea about that, Senator. I had no knowledge about that at the time, and I don't know what anyone may have been thinking who said that.
1,000 Years Of Faith: Mt. St. Michel Marks Its Tenth Century
Barefoot Benedictine Monks lead pilgrims to the Abbey of Mont St. Michel to mark the thousandth year that the famed monastery has been a shrine to countless thousands of the faithful. Parts of the majestic pile date to the 18 Century when an oratory was established after St. Michel was said to have appeared at the site. France Aerial of Mont St Michel, beautiful. LS St. Michel high on a rugged hill and sheep grazing below. High Angle Shot - Roof tops of St. Michel. Exterior shot - Very modest hall where the monks eat dinner. CUS skull relic. Aerial shot - The Abbey of Mont St. Michel's. Benedictine Monks in a holy procession. MS Monks walking through water in order to get to the Abbey. MS Procession of Monks climbing up the stairs of the Abbey, carrying a cross. MS Monks queue in line walking into the chapel of the Abbey. CU Christians praying taking part in a Mass. CU Monks at the altar.
Hi-Jinks In The LowLands
It's the annual pole vaulting tournament in the Netherlands when contestants jump over canals (some do, some don't!) in the ancient tradition and honorable manner used by the searchers for birds eggs among the watery nesting sites. Some succeed - some do not, dunk you! The Netherlands, Holland One of the contestants running, leaping on to a pole that's stuck in the water, pole vaulting over the water and landing on sand. MS Contestant who cannot climb up the pole lands in the water. MS Contestant just make's it over the water. MS spectators. MS Contestant runs, jumps on the pole, gets good yardage in the sand landing. CU Fans applauding. LS A woman makes the jump on to the pole, makes it over the water and lands in the sand, she lands at 34 feet winning the woman's crown. MS The men's champion, runs, jumps, climbs and lands at 45 feet, winning him the crown.
Zippie-Zoom On The Bounding Ma
Power boats invade the Island of Cowes - headquarters for sleek, sailing yachts, for the 16th International Offshore Race. 50 boats start out, but not many are appertain enough to take the tough pounding of the sea during the 198-mile test. for the first time, an American craft "Brave Moppie", wins the race. Town at the northern extremity of the Isle of Wight, that lays in the English Channel Aerial shot - The town of Cowes and the waters of the Strait of the English Channel is dotted with yachts. High Angle shot - Speed boats racing a 198 mile grind through the punishing open seas of the English Channel. CUS US speed boat # 115, The Maritime. Different angles shots. Speed boats that are entered in the race. Aerial shot - United States entry, Brave Moppie cutting through the water. Medium LS - Brave Moppie speeding into the harbor. LS Throngs of Yacht enthusiast to greet the speed boat pilots at the end of the race. High Angle shot - The pilot of the speed boat, 'Brave Moppie' shaking hands with an official.
Kashmir War: China Threatens India On New Front
As the big guns bark on three fronts in the Kashmir War, there are new threats that may plunge all of Southeast Asia into hostilities. Red China has issued a series of ultimatums to India, while the United Nations has ordered the Kashmir fighting to end within forty-eight hours. With the threat of a widening war, there is disaster in Asia's future. Kashmir, India A real battle taking place with huge guns blasting away on three fronts. CUS Behind one of the anti-aircraft guns and soldiers operating the weapon. LS anti-aircraft, big-guns firing away. MS Pakistani or Indian soldiers queue in line making their way down the slopes of a mountain range. Camera panning - Mountains in Kashmir. CU a home destroyed from the gunfire. CU a home burning. CU weapons, grenades and anti-aircraft shells. CU Grenade launcher, grenade. MS aftermath of a battle. Civilians leaving burned buildings.
250,000 Acres Burn: Forest Fires Range In No. California
The worst forest fires in the history of Northern California have laid waste a quarter of a million acres. There have been 265 fires in 21 counties and forestry spokesmen hesitate to say when all the fires will be fought under control. California Beautiful country side disrupted by the signs of fires burning in the not to far, distance. High Angle shot - Trees burning and in the open land a fire engine with firefighters High Angle shot - Tree tops engulfed by smoke and fire. CU - Fire engine passing with a fire fighting crew on top of the truck. CU - Brush and trees burning. MS - A three story home engulfed by fire, all you see is just the frame burning. CU Fire fighter pulling a hose from side of a burning home and another fire fighter giving direction to him. Fire fighter with hose directed at a building. A burning inferno. A child's tire swing hanging from a tree, smoke. Aftermath of fire damage, no home. A few people standing on the country side street assessing the damage. A burned out Mercury or Chevy car.
Astronauts' Tour: Cooper And Conrad On Goodwill Trip
The Gemini Five Twins, Gordon Cooper and Charles Conrad get a rousing reception in Greece as they begin a seven-nation tour. Most of Athens seems to have turned out for a glimpse of the men who spent eight days in space. Later, they meet with their Russian counterparts and have a shop talk with Cosmonauts Belyayev and Leonov. Greece, Athens Plane just taxied in from the US carrying the Astronauts. MS - Motorcade parade. Astronauts driven in a 1959 or 1960 Cadillac convertible. High Angle shot - Throngs turn out to cheer on the Astronauts. High Angle shot - Astronaut Conrad among the Greek school children shaking hands. CU - Cooper among the school age children. CUS - The American and Russian Astronauts holding a press conference and Q & A session in a hotel banquet room.
Oregon State 12 - Illinois 10
The Oregon State, Beavers, among the top ten last year, have to keep moving until the final whistle to overcome the lead run up by Illinois early in the game. Oregon gets a touchdown with 50 seconds to play in the first half to trail 10 to 6. Then, in the closing moments of the game they nose ahead with another touchdown! Illinois Looking down at the football field Oregon kicks off to Illinois, stands are filled to the capacity with college football fans. High Angle shot - Football players facing each other ready to put a play into action. High Angle shot - Illinois quarterback passes the football and it is caught and ran in over the goal line for a touchdown. MS - Score board, Illinois 10 - Visitors 0. High Angle shot - Oregon is handed off the football and runs it in for a touchdown. High Angle shot - Illinois quarterback is hit by Oregon, fumbles and Oregon recovers the football. High Angle shot - Oregon and gets a 5 yard gain setting off the next play for a touchdown. High Angle shot - Oregon passes the football, it's a little short, but one of the Illinois defenders tips the ball into the hands of Oregon and they win by the skin of their teeth.
Art Of Our Times: Heroic Sculpture Unveiled In NY
New York's Lincoln Center is the setting for a monumental bronze by Henry Moore. The six-ton sculpture is set in a reflecting pool next to the new Metropolitan Opera House and Philharmonic Hall. Mayor Robert Wagner presents the City's Handel Medallion to the sculptor as his new work is dedicated. New York, New York New York's Lincoln Center, the camera is show casing a 6-ton bronze sculpture. MS - Seats are set up for an audience who will be in attendance for the dedication of the sculpture. MS - Mayor Robert F. Wagner of New York standing at the podium and awards a medal to the sculptor, Henry Moore for his achievements.
August 2, 1994 - Part 2
(11:59:57) Hearing resumes: The CHAIRMAN. The Committee will resume. Let me invite everyone to find a seat and we'll start momentarily. The next Senator to direct questions will be Senator Bryan from Nevada. OPENING COMMENTS OF SENATOR RICHARD H. BRYAN Senator BRYAN. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Steiner, I have a couple questions for you. The record of this proceeding will reflect, and your own testimony bears out, that you yourself thought it was the better course of action for Mr. Altman to recuse himself. My recollection of the record is that Mr. Stephenopoulos agreed. Ms. Kulka agreed. Ms. Hanson agreed, Mr. Nye a agreed. My question to you first is, are you aware of anyone other than Mr. Nussbaum who disagreed with the basic premise that it would be a prudent course of action for Mr. Altman to recuse himself? Mr. STEINER. Well, Senator, let me say that at different points in time, different people had different views on the subject. I, myself, for example, didn't arrive at that conclusion until several conversations bad taken place. I recall the other members of the Treasury staff also went through periods of internal deliberations about is issue. I recall that Mr. Levy, for example, at different times did not think recusal was the wisest course of action but I cannot tell you what his ultimate position was. Senator BRYAN. But by the latter part of February, at the hearing on the oversight schedule for the 28th, which was really a very crucial time period, by that time you bad a lot of information in terms of the various factors to be considered. Mr. Nussbaum, from what we have learned, was vehemently opposed to recusal. At that point in time, being the latter part of February, and prior to Mr. Altman's testimony, are you aware of anyone else wit in the Administration who opposed recusal? Mr. STEINER. I don't recall, Senator, any conversations specifically about recusal prior to Mr. Altman's testimony. The last time I recall having a conversation with Mr. Altman about the subject of whether he should or should not recuse himself was a substantive contact conversation which was about February 16. In anticipation of the hearing, we had conversations about questions that he might anticipate, but I think, at that point, be decided he was not going to recuse himself, 353 Senator BRYAN. "At that point" being on the 16th of February, did you share with him, being Mr. Altman, your own view? Mr. STEINER. Yes, I did. Senator BRYAN. And that view was? Mr. STEINER. That he should recuse himself. Senator BRYAN. In your diary, you make reference to a tortured day. It's my understanding that tortured day was, your view, at least tortured in part, because of the anguish as to whether to recuse or not to recuse. Is that an accurate characterization? Mr. STEINER. I think that was one of the factors that made it a difficult day, Senator. You may recall that after Mr. Altman's testimony, he was confronted with a number of news articles which commented on this matter and be had conversations with editorial writers who also commented on this matter. So there were a variety of factors at work. Senator BRYAN. So we place your diary entry, the document that we have would indicate that your comments with respect to this part of your diary deal with the time period, February 13 through February 27, 1994. Now, that would be prior, would it not, to the oversight hearing? Mr. STEINER. No, That would be through the oversight bearings, Senator. Senator BRYAN. I believe the hearing was on the 24th. Mr. STEINER. I believe that's correct, Senator. Senator BRYAN. What were the considerations with, respect to recusal? What was being discussed on this tortured day and by whom? Mr. STEINER. I don't recall the specific conversations about recusal on that day. I do recall that,, as I said, articles had appeared, and that we had for a long time considered the recusal issue within a political context, which is to say, were there going to be political appeals or requests for Mr. Altman to recuse himself and would there be allegations about the manner in which he was conducting himself? And, I think, we were eager to prevent any allegations of misconduct. Senator BRYAN, Who was a party to the discussions on this tortured day? Mr. STEINER. Senator, I don't recall any specific conversation. As you know, it was several months ago, and the events become compressed, but Mr. Altman was involved in discussions. I believe Mr. Levy was involved. I believe Mr. Schloss, one of our press people, was involved. I believe Ms. Hanson was involved. I believe Mr. Nye was involved, and there may have been others, Senator, but I just don't recall. Senator BRYAN. Among those people that you recall being there, do you recall what their position was and what advice they gave Mr. Altman?
Homage To Heroes: England Remembers Battle of Britain
It was just 25 years ago that a few Spitfires and Hurricanes and a handful of pilots stood between Britain and total defeat at the hands of Hitler. Now, a generation later, that Battle of Britain is remembered as tribute is paid to those RAF fliers and their leader, in Westminster Abbey. Lady Churchill and her family are here as well as members of that gallant band who turned the tide of World War II, as Queen Elizabeth unveils a plaque honoring Sir Winston Churchill. London Air to Air shot - Britain s Air Force flying in their Spit Fires. CUS Stained glass windows in West Minster Abbey. High Angle shot - A procession down the center aisle of the Westminster Abbey. CUS Labour Prime Minister, Harold Wilson, High Angle shot - The wife of Sir Winston Churchill - Clementine Churchill accompanied by her son, Randolph Frederick Edward Churchill followed by other family members. High Angle shot - A very gray Sir Anthony Eden accompanied with his wife, Clarissa. High Angle shot - Queen Elizabeth II in conversation with Clementine Churchill and shaking Randolph's hand. High Angle shot, CU - Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip shaking hands with high ranking officers of Britain s Air Force. High Angle shot - Queen Elizabeth II, Prince Philip and Ministers of the Church of England. High Angle shot - Queen Elizabeth II opens the curtain exposing a stone in dedication to 'Remember Winston Churchill' and England takes the time to pay tribute to Winston Churchill. Camera panning up altar in Westminster Abbey.
Seal Nose-Count: Census Shows Herds Increasing
Along the desolate and forbidding coast of the Bering Sea the seals come home so that the youngsters can be born in the old home town. This year, there is good news as they take a census - the herds are still on the increase. Before the turn of the century, indiscriminate slaughter of seals threatened to wipe them out. MS - The forbidding coast line of Russia that lines the Bering Sea. MS Birds perched on the side of a cliff. High Angle shot - Hundreds of seals swimming in the water making their way to the rocky coast line. CU Mother seal and cub. MS Russian scientist walking on top of a knoll on the rocky coast line of Russia, ahead of them is a herd of seals. MS Scientist walking on the rocky beach towards a herd of seals. CU researcher holding a manual counter, counting seal heads. High Angle shot - Seals among the rocks. From on top of a cliff thousands of seals, you can spot the bulls because of their size.
Purdue 25 Upsets Notre Dame 21
The only thing sure about the new football season is that nothing is sure. Upsets are the order of the day - and Purdue pulls the turn-about of the week on Notre Dame. In a see-saw battle, they pull out all the stops in their fourth quarter as Quarterback Bob Griese drives the Boilermakers down the field for a last-minute touchdown and victory. High Angle shot - Looking down at the football stadium and its filled to capacity with fans, 16mm camera off to the right of the screen. High Angle shot - A portion of the crowd has cards that their holding up forming the American Flag. High Angle shot - Football players facing off. MS Bob Griese, Quarterback for Purdue cannot unload the ball so he zig's and zag's gaining 14-yards. MS - Griese s passes the ball. They run it in for a touchdown. Purdue. LS - Crowd cheering. MS - Notre Dame has the ball, it is passed and picked up by. MS - The ball is passed off to Nick Eddy and it is ran in for a touchdown for Notre Dame. High Angle shot - Hands off the ball and it is run in for a 54-yard run for a touchdown. Tying up the football game 18 to 18 in the third quarter. MS - Purdue carries the ball over the goal line scoring for the Boilermakers. Purdue wins 25 Notre Dame 21.