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August 1, 1994 - Part 8
(22:15:35) Ms. HANSON. I received a call from Mr. Nussbaum, which was a follow-up to the conversation of the prior evening. Senator D'AMATO. OK I see the red light is on. I'll yield and come back to this line of questioning. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Boxer. Senator BOXER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ms. Hanson, I'm just going to use my last 7 minutes to go through a few things. I my mind, we 've heard a lot of testimony today, from you an hers and I don't see that anything came of any of these contacts, but I find them extremely troubling despite your explanation. I really would pick up where Senator Roth left off. He said, "It seems to me, you're using as an excuse, if you will, press leaks to breach some confidentiality." He further said, "If this was another case, would you do the same thing?" You said, "Yes, I might---that if I found out there was a leak on something else, I might do the same thing." I have to say this is very troubling to me, and I don't think It press stories should run the Government. I think you're much too valuable an asset to be running around worried about ' what the heck the press is going to say because, I'll tell you, you're never going to know what they're going to do, and if each of us did that, we'd never get a thing done. I really would hope the message you put out, that you didn't see anything wrong with it, would not hold in the future. Ms. HANSON. May I respond to that? Senator BOXER. Certainly. Ms. HANSON. You said two things. One, that it appears people spend a lot of time dealing with press leaks and that's just, in my experience, not the case. These were very isolated incidents and did not involve very much time. The second statement you made was that it was some sort of breach of confidence. There is no law, rule, or regulation that prohibits two governmental employees from having a conversation Senator BOXER. Yes, I understand that. Ms. HANSON. -that has a legitimate governmental purpose. It is not a breach of confidentiality. It happens. Lawyers and other governmental officials talk with each other about nonpublic, confidential information. Senator BOXER. I'm sorry to cut you off, Ms. Hanson, I don't mean to be rude, but I have only 7 minutes and I've waited 3 hours. You've said this before, and I understand we disagree. That's OK People can disagree. You and I, obviously, disagree on 181 whether it was a wise thing to do and that's what makes life go round. We don't always agree with each other. You might question my judgment, and I might question yours, and that's what this is all about. You say it was two people but, then, it turned into eight people. Who was at the meeting, Hanson, Steiner, DeVore, Nussbaum, Gearan, Lindsey, Sloan, Eggleston, and then, later, others called you about it? Obviously, it wasn't simply two people getting involved Ms. HANSON. No one called me about it, to my recollection. Senator BOXER. I'm sorry, I thought Ms. HANSON. And I didn't set up that meeting. I was invited along. Senator BOXER. Excuse me, I know that Mr. Podesta called over to the Treasury. the I don't know if he spoke to you or not. He was con- cerned about the testimony. Ms. HANSON. That was in February. Senator BOXER. Right. Which brings me to another issue. I keep coming back to- Ms. HANSON. Actually, it was--excuse me-in March. I'm sorry. Senator BOXER. I keep coming back to it because it's very important. It was the February 24, 1994 1 testimony of Mr. Altman, you sat behind him, he was asked a question by Senator Gramm: Senator GRAMM: Have you, or any member of your staff, had any communication with the President, First Lady, or any of their representatives, including their legal counsel, or any member of the White House staff, concerning Whitewater or Madison Savings? He answers, "One meeting." He doesn't talk about recusal or about your contacts, and you don't correct him. You say you were desperate to get this transcript and, I guess, this is where-Mr. Chairman, wherever you are, this is where I just-you lose me on this one. I've been around a very long time. I've been in the House of Representatives for 10 years, I've been here for 2 years, I was on a Board of Supervisors for 6 years, and I've done other things in life You are a powerful person in a powerful office, and you couldn't get the transcript. The transcript was delivered. You don't know where it is. Did you pick up the phone and call Steve Harris to try to get the transcript?
August 1, 1994 - Part 8
(22:20:17) Ms. HANSON. The answer is I did not do that personally. I asked, repeatedly, for the transcript. Senator BOXER. If I just I might say---I mean, this point troubles me greatly, because you knew how just important it was you, yourself, knew how important it was that Mr. Altman didn't give the whole truth to the Committee and, the fact is, you wanted to fix this problem up. A day goes by, 2 days. goes by, count the weekends. Telling the truth to a Committee is important. This is about as important as it gets, in my opinion. Maybe it's because I happen to have been sitting there, but this goes to lots of other hearings, we've held where Members of the other party were a little bit on the defensive. The fact, that we must know the truth, is a bipartisan issue for us here. You wanted to correct the testimony and your big excuse, that I hear coming back to me over and over again, is I couldn't get the transcript. Ms. HANSON. There is no other way that I could correct thetestimony. There were 41/2 hours where 182 Senator BOXER. You are missing my point. I agree that you needed the transcript. What I cannot see-I'm putting myself in your shoes, the best I can, and I've been in a position of being in elected office, being a staffer for a Congressperson, being a press person all kinds of thin things. If you want to get a transcript and, as the Chief Counsel of the Treasury, you can't figure out a way to get it, I just have a real terrible problem with that. If your personal secretary couldn't get it, or your assistant couldn't get it, I think you 8 should have gotten a new one. I have a hard time coming to grips with that fact. So, I would just say this I think, again, that the hour's late, you're under a lot of stress and strain and I Ms. HANsON. I will tell you, Senator Boxer, in the future I will always make sure I personally it, that I get the transcript, 7 see to it, because that was clearly a problem here. As I stated Senator BOXER. You interrupted me in the middle of what I was trying to get to. My train of thought was that I know this has been very difficult for you, awfully 11 difficult for you. I would just, respectfully, suggest, at your level of expertise, intelligence, you are articulate, you are educated, you have great experience, that I still have a hard time understanding why, when you knew Mr. Altman didn't tell the full truth, you didn't get in a cab and get the dam transcript, if it was that important to you-and it should have been that important to you. Mr. Chairman, I'm not going to keep on going in this fashion. You can see how I feel about it. I am not satisfying with the fact that we did not get the corrections, we should have gotten, in a timely fashion. I'm sorry your lawyer told you not to be involved in it anymore, but I have a question about that, too, Mr. Chairman. Here is Mr. Altman, whose testimony was not complete, and now, all of a sudden, because of another situation, you're told to forget about it. You can't do anything about fixing up his testimony when you, and you alone, knew it. You went to the White House, you sat there with those folks, you wrote Mr. Altman a memo, although you didn't recall writing it, and you were the one who had the information. It's very odd to me, that your attorney would tell you, that you have no more responsibility to make sure that the Senate of the United States of America knows the whole truth. It's really-maybe it's perception, maybe it's the way you view the world, but I have a-I feel a little uncomfortable about all this. I don't feel anything happened to injure the people of the United States of America by what you did, or didn't do, but I just do not approve of the way this matter was handled in terms of giving us the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I also do not approve of using, as an excuse press leaks to discuss very confidential information which I think only fed into the whole cycle of more press leaks and more stories. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Senator Boxer. Senator Bond. Ms. HANSON. Could I respond to that, please? The CHAIRMAN. If you do it briefly, you know-go ahead.