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August 1, 1994 - Part 8
(21:45:56) Senator ROTH. Yes, I don't have a copy of the memorandum. The CHAiRmAN. Do you mind, then, if I shift across here? Senator ROTH. We'll come back to that. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Kerry. Senator KERRY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ms. Hanson, I want to ask you a couple of questions which are fairly direct, ultimately, but I want to get at them because I don't want to leave this for conjecture within the Committee and, certainly, with the press. I think we need to try to understand it completely. You say you viewed a tape at some point. Is that correct? Ms. HANSON. Of the hearing? Senator KERRY. Yes. Ms. HANSON. I viewed only the portion that included two questions asked by Senator Bond. Senator KERRY. Why is it that you only viewed that particular portion? Ms. HANSON. Because there was a call, as has been alluded to, a call from Mr. Podesta to Mr. Altman, and Mr. Altman called me to his office and said he bad heard, from Mr. Podesta, that there was a concern about the way he had responded to two questions of Senator Bond. As I said, we didn't have the transcript Senator KERRY. I understand that, but one of the questions, that Mr. Podesta was concerned about, was one of the questions that Senator Gramm asked about contacts. Correct? Ms. HANSON. I was not given that information by Mr. Altman, sir. Senator KERRY. You were told what? Ms. HANSON. Only-I was only asked questions about Senator Bond. Senator KERRY. About Ms. HANSON. About Senator Bond's questions. Senator KERRY. This is on March 1, 1994. Correct? Ms. HANSON. To my recollection, yes. Senator KERRY. In previous testimony, I think in answer to Senator Gramm you said that you're absolutely positive that Mr. Altman directed you to go to the White House. Correct? Ms. HANSON. That s my recollection, sir. Senator KERRY. How many times had you been to the White House on business previously. 172 Ms. HANSON. On business previously? I can't give you an exact count, but it was not many. Senator KERR. Had you ever gone over there alone to meet with Mr. Nussbaum? Ms. HANSON. As I sit here, I don't recall that I had, sir. Senator KERRY. I assume it would stand out in your memory, as a new lawyer in Washington, that you'd been directed to go over to the White House within a short span of time. You would remember if you had been to visit with Mr. Nussbaum. Ms. HANSON. I'm sorry, I don't understand your question. Senator KERRY. I said, I assume it would stand out in your memory. A visit to the White House to meet with Mr. Nussbaum, within a matter of months, would not be something that you could confuse or forget. Ms. HANSON. Recollections aren't perfect, but Senator KERRY. Do you recall going to the White House and seeing Mr. Nussbaum? MS. HANSON. Absolutely I do, sir. Senator KERRY. There's no question in your mind that you recall that? Ms. HANSON. There's no question in my mind. Senator KERRY. The reason I ask is when I look at this working document that came out of your computer, the first four sentences in it-let me read from the testimony before the Committee on page 69 of the Committee record: Senator BOND: How is the White House notified of the referral? On your working document: Senator BOND: How was the White House notified of the referral? Next, reading from the Committee record, Mr. Altman answers: They were not notified by the RTC, to the best of my knowledge. On your working document: They were not notified by the RTC, to the best of my knowledge. Next question from the record of the Committee: Senator BOND: Nobody in your agency, to your knowledge, advised the White House staff this could be a major source of concern? On your working document: Senator BOND: Nobody in your agency, to your knowledge, advised the White House staff this was going to be a major-this could be a major source of concern? Mr. Altman's answer, Not to my knowledge," totally corresponds to his answer in the Committee record. All of a sudden, there was this departure, which you have described as a working document for your memory. I must say to you, as I read this, I am really dumb struck by the number of answers you give to proposed questions. It's as if you were working through this testimony in a way that you could correct it for the Committee, trying to find what is correct but, in fact, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight fundamental issues of memory are wrong. Ms. HANSON. Sir, I don't have the document in front of me and I don't know Senator KERRY. I can get a copy. MS. HANSON. -and I don't know what you're referring' to,
August 1, 1994 - Part 8
(21:50:28) 173 Senator KERRY. I am referring to your working document that came out of your file, which was on your computer, in which you asked yourself a question, "Was anyone else present," and, then, gave yourself the answer, "I believe Cliff Sloan another White House attorney, was there." This was a lawyer--to--lawyer conversation You, asking your own question to yourself. Question: What else did you tell him? Answer: I don't recall I told him anything else. Do you remember that document? Ms. HANSON. Could I have a copy of the document, if you're going to question me on it? Senator KERRY. It's number 4466 and 4467, Exhibit 19. Senator GAMM. What was the date on that, do you know? Senator FERRY. It is a March 1, 1994, document, and it comes out of the computer file. Do we have a copy of it? Do you recognize that now? Ms. HANSON. I don't recall ever seeing the document, in this format, before. Senator KERRY. Do you recall writing these questions to youself? pretty fundamental stuff. This is on March 1, 1994. On This is pre your computer, you're sitting there asking yourself questions which are really a play right off of the Committee. This occurs one day before a letter comes to this Committee, supposedly correcting the record, and two days before Special Counsel Fiske issued a subpoena for all records. As I react this, you ask yourself a question: Question: Who in the Treasury or the RTC knew you had this conversation? Your own answer to yourself, just months before this happening, you say: Answer: I don't recall I told anyone of the conversation. We now know that's not true. You did tell somebody. You told Mr. Altman. Ms. HANSON. Which I still don't recall, but my September 30, 1993, memorandum reflects that I did, that I got back to him. Senator KERRY. You don't recall that you told him that? Ms. HANSON. This is the question Senator KERRY. You do recall that you were asked to have the conversation, because you testified to Senator Gramm that indeed, you never would have gone to the White House if you hadn' been asked. Correct? Ms. HANSON. What I've said is-if I could clarify, please--I wouldn't have spoken with Mr. Nussbaum, about this kind of information, without having been authorized to do so. I did not, however, just so I can clarify, go to the White House to see Mr, Nussbaum on this issue. I went to the White House for a prebriefing, of Mr. Nussbaum and some other people, on the Treasury report on the Waco situation, which was going to be released the following day. So, it was a brief conversation following a meeting on Senator KERRY. I understand that, but in fact, according to the depositions, you bad been asked to call Mr. Nussbaum. You did call Mr. Nussbaum. Mr. Nussbaum was not in. You left a message, so were trying to reach him. You then went to the White he knew you we House. You took advantage of the meeting. You pulled him aside afterwards, and you informed him and, then, wrote a memorandum to Mr. Altman that you had informed him. 174 Here, in your own answers to yourself, not coincidentally, I suspect, at the same time that Mr. Altman sends his first correction to this Committee, you're saying to yourself, "No, you didn't no." No one asked you to have this conversation. You're saying that you had little to add because you knew nothing more about the issue and that you weren't involved in the handling of the press, which is absolutely untrue, because you've testified here all day that you were there to help them deal with the press. So you've got-I'm incredulous that the Counsel to the Treasury is writing herself a series of questions and answers which are so incorrect, so contrary to the testimony, and which flow almost as if you're setting yourself up to take the fall for Mr. Altman or to provide some series of answers that, then, got cut short because of the transference of events. Ms. HANSON. If I could explain, sir. Senator KERRY. That's why I The CHAIRMAN. Before you do--and I'm going to have you explain it. The time has expired. Senator DAmato has said that he'd like Senator Kerry to finish this, so well make that allowance. Why don't you go ahead and give your response. Senator DAMATO. If I might, Ms. Hanson, I have to tell you Senator Kerry has struck with this Senator a very, very responsive chord. I think you ought to think about how that memo came about. What were you trying to do when you were preparing that memo? I stop, I yield there, because it really raises a question in my mind. The CHAIRMAN. You were about to respond, so why don't you go ahead.
Water Birds - Harlequin Duck
19:20:56 Male and female Harlequin ducks preening 19:21:16 Male Harlequin ducks preening 19:22:21 Male and female Harlequin ducks go into water and back out 19:22:48 Male Harlequin duck 19:23:05 Female Harlequin duck 19:23:41 Male Harlequin duck yawning 19:24:09 Male and female duck yawning 19:25:03 Male and female duck going into water, swimming off, going upstream 19:25:54 Male and female duck feeding and resting 19:26:13 Male duck feeding and resting
Water Birds - Barrows Golden Eye Duck
19:38:51 Male Barrow's Golden eye duck swimming and preening Male and female Barrow's Golden eye ducks copulating and bathing Male and female Barrow's Golden eye ducks stretching and scratching Male and female Barrow's Golden eye ducks in fast water
Water Birds - Lesser Scaup Duck
Male Lesser Scaup duck Ducks resting during migration north Male and female Lesser Scaup ducks
Marine Mammals - Harbor Seal
Harbor seal slaps water to startle fish to move ON PART ONE.
Marine Mammals - Sea Otter
05:09:39 Sea otters sleep in kelp bed 05:11:25 Male sea otter sleeping in kelp bed, grooms himself c.u. Roll 01:01:02 Male sea otter grooms and rolls, sea otter sleeping 01:03:37 Male sea otter grooms himself - see his webbed feet and flat tail ON PART ONE
Marine Mammals - Harbor Seal
Harbor seal hind flippers and tail ON PART TWO.
Marine Mammals - Sea Otter
01:33:03 Sea otter pounds food on rock on chest 01:33:31 Male sea otter swims fast on his stomach 01:33:43 Male and female sea otter courtship 01:36:57 Sea otter pounds food on rock on his chest 01:39:58 Male sea otter grooms c.u. 01:41:25 Female sea otter pounds food on rock on chest c.u. 01:42:11 Sea otter courtship, copulation, see penis 01:43:37 Female sea otter swims fast on her stomach 01:44:00 Sea otters courtship 01:44:30 Male sea otter swims fast on his stomach and dives 01:46:47 Male sea otter takes big crab from female and eats ON PART TWO.
August 1, 1994 - Part 8
(21:55:48) Ms. HANSON. If I could, on March 1, 1994, a call came in from John Podesta saying there was a concern about responses to Senator Bond's questions. As I've testified, we found the two Senator Bond questions and transcribed them off the tape. I went back to Mr. Altman's office and he was on the phone with Mr. Podesta and said-and he said, "I understand that there was a meeting at the White House on-I understand that you talked with Bernie Nussbaum about this," and I said, "Yes. I talked with him by phone." That was my initial recollection. "I talked with him by phone , " and be said-as he continued his conversation with John Podesta, be said, "Mr. Nussbaum remembers that it was a stayback after the Waco prebrief , " and I said, "That's right. Now that I remember that now that I've beard that I now remember that it wasn't a telephone conversation that I had with him," which was my initial recollection, It was, in fact, a stayback back after the Waco prebrief, So there we are. We have the two Senator Bond questions. They need to be addressed so I take a laptop computer home and, late at night, I start trying to recall, refresh my recollection as to what actually had happened 4 months earlier in specifics that I hadn't thought about since then. Senator FERRY. Well Ms. HANSON. There were certain things I remembered, as you look through here. There are certain things I remembered. There are other things I did not recall correctly. As I went through the process, over the course of the next several days, of trying to recall 175 what happened, I recall, as I focused on it specifically-this was my first cut. This was done in the middle of the night on March 1-2, 1994, as I was trying to remember what happened. But as I thought about it over the course of the next several days, it occurred to me, and I remember that I, in fact, did have a conversation about this with Mr. Altman. That is why I went to the White House. In fact, as I say, Mr. Nussbaum has testified that in my initial conversation with him, I told him which I don't recall, that Mr. Nussbaum-that I understood Mr. Altman had given him information about this, which I otherwise wouldn't have known if I hadn't spoken with Mr. Altman. Senator KERRY. I hear what you're saying, as do my colleagues, gin but I have to tell you I find it very ha to take at face value be-cause you are a lawyer. You are Counsel to the Treasury. It is ex-traordinary to me that Mr. Altman's answer was they were not no-tified by the RTC, to the best of my knowledge: Senator BOND: Nobody in your agency, to your knowledge, advised the White House? Mr. ALTMAN: Not to my knowledge. At that time, that wasn't true. You knew that wasn't true. Ms. HANSON. I didn't know that wasn't true. That was my recollection at the time I Senator KERRY. Your recollection at the time was, but you later learned that wasn't true. Ms. HANSON. I recalled, as I continued to think about these events over the course of the next several days, that, in fact, I had had a conversation with Mr. Altman. I just didn't recall it at the time that I first started trying to refresh my recollection on this issue. Senator KERRY. I understand. Ms. HANSON. I may, sir, be the General Counsel of the Treasury. I'm also human, and I don't recall everything with perfect recollection. Senator KERRY. Mr. Chairman, my time is up. I just want to say to you, I'm also human, we're all very sympathetic to you. I'm truly not trying to pick on you. I don't think we re trying to do that, but we have to test the reasonable standard, here, for a lawyer and counsel in an important position. We get a letter, one day after this, in which you have these denials, a letter from Mr. Altman, which you helped draft, and that letter says to us, in three separate paragraphs, things that are inaccurate. The letter never mentions the recusal that you knew, sitting there, was incorrect, and you said, "We couldn't change it then." Here was your opportunity to change it. In that letter, there was not only no change, but there were representations that fell more in line with this which we now know to be inaccurate.
Lem Bailey Misc. UN Roll 1001
Very good shots of life on a dude ranch -- with the emphasis on dude, or duds. Two women and two men enter scene, walk by adobe building, all wearing cowboy hats and chaps, the women in prototypical 1950s Western garb. They stand by an open campfire with paper plates, getting ready to eat, and enter other poses, including a man on a horse in front of a sign: "Camelback Inn." WS shows long tables outside, filled with people eating 06:42:04 MS people (most in cowboy clothes) clapping along, then some bodacious square dancing! 06:42:40 man on horseback rides up to meet a great old Woody station wagon in the middle of a desert scene
August 1, 1994 - Part 8
(22:00:50) Ms. HANSON. First of all, I disagree with that characterization Senator KERRY. Let me read the letter of March 2, 1994, to you, Dear Senator Riegle, I testified before your Committee, last Thursday, in connection with the semiannual oversight hearings on the RTC. There was a discussion, as you remember, of a meeting which I -had with representatives of the White House. As I indicated, no nonpublic information was provided to that meeting on any aspect of Madison Guaranty. That's not accurate. The next paragraph Ms. HANsON. Sir. 176 Senator KERRY. Senator Bond Ms. HANSON. Could I answer that? If you're going to tell there are inaccuracies in this letter, then, I think I should have the opportunity to give an explanation. The CHAIRMAN. You should. Here's the problem we're running into. You've been on the stand 5 hours now. It's 10 p.m. There are questions Senator KERRY. I don't want to raise a question. I think it's un- fair to her, the Administration, or anybody to raise a question -not answered. I really don't want to do that. I also don't want to take too long- Senator DAMATO. In fairness to the witness The CHAIRMAN. Senator Kerry, that letter's there, You've read part of it. Why don't you give your response and, then, I want to make a recommendation as to bow I think we might try to conclude this evening. Senator KERRY. Let me leave the final part of this. The last paragraph reads: But I have learned, today, of two conversations which dictate place between Treasury staff and White House personnel in this matter. Again, that is not correct. I think you knew at the time it wasn't correct., because your own testimony has indicated that you had the prior conversations and wrote the memo to Mr. Altman himself. Ms. HANSON. Sir, if I might, please--- Senator KERRY. Absolutely. That's exactly what we want. Ms. HANSON. I have testified, under oath, now numerous times on this matter. I'm a lawyer. I have a clear recollection of having spoken with Mr. Altman. I did not recall it at the time I did these questions. At the time the letter, the March 2, 1994, letter, was sent, and I read it, I didn't draft it, but I read it, Mr. Altman's recollection, that he bad just learned about them, was consistent with mine. I later learned-I later recalled that I had spoken with him about it. I didn't recall it at the time the letter was written. As I said that's part of the difficulty in trying to do things in a piecemeal fashion. I also could, sir, in response to your statement that there was a statement in the first paragraph of the letter that was wrong, that says no nonpublic information was furnished Senator KERRY, At that time, it was not public. Ms. HANSON. I understood that sentence, as I read it, to relate to the substantive underlying civil investigation of the Madison civil matter. That's what I understood it to say. That was correct, because there was no substantive information on the underlying Madison civil investigation. Senator KERRY. We're going back. I don't want to abuse this process. Mr. Chairman, let me just say, I thank you. I think it's very important to hammer away at this, to try to clarify it, because this is central to all of our concerns, and I want to make sure you have adequate opportunity to address it. The CHAIRMAN. It's a very important predicate to tomorrow's witnesses. I mean, I think that's been made clear on both sides. Let me just say to my colleagues, I'd like to see if we can't arrive at an understanding as to how we can finish ton' lit. The witness has been there a long time, and I think it's tough to be there when 177 you're facing off against a large number of people. That's the nature of things. You've made your points and you've held up very well, which is to your credit. I'd like to see if we can't finish up no longer than a half hour from now. I don't know that it should take that long. I don't want to be arbitrary. Senator DAmato has asked to next. I've talked to Senator Bennett.
August 1, 1994 - Part 8
(22:05:13) Senator GRAMM. Mr. Chairman, I don't want to be the bad guy, go ahead. Senator BOND. Mr. Chairman, my name has been mentioned in this, and I have yet to have an opportunity to ask this witness a question tonight The CHAiRmAN. You should have that opportunity. Senator Bo". -and I would like to explore several areas. Senator BOXER. Mr. Chairman, I'd like to have 7 minutes, 5 minutes. Senator GRAMM. Mr. Chairman, again, I think everything these hearings are about really boils down to the veracity of, to some extent, this letter on March 2, 1994. There are just so many things that we've got to go back to, and ask questions about, or else it's not fair to everybody whom we're going to talk to tomorrow. The CHAIRMAN. Then, I think my thought on that would be, we're scheduled with the witnesses tomorrow, and we should stay and finish. I guess I would just ask everybody to try to make allowances of the time Senator SARBANES. Do you have any idea of how much timeSenator Bennett said 5 minutes, and Senator Bond? Senator BoND. Twenty minutes, at least. Senator SARBANES. Senator Domenici. Senator DOMENICI. I reserve 5 minutes. Senator D'AMATO. I'm going to need 15 to 20 minutes. Senator GRAMM. It depends on how long the answers are, but I think I can do mine, say, in 20, 25 minutes. The CHAIRMAN. And on this side, Senator Boxer has asked for 7 minutes. Senator MosELEY-BRAuN. Five minutes. The CHAIRMAN. Five minutes for Senator Moseley-Braun. I believe I've asked my questions, and I think we've got a hearing record here Senator SARBANES. I would only have questions if they were prompted by other questions that might be asked. I do think there's a need to try to draw this hearing to a close. This witness has been before us, and I think that some of the questioning has become repetitious, not all of it but some of it. The CHAIRMAN. Not surprisingly, Senators have had to come and go so, we've covered some of these issues 2 or 3 times. I do think it's important that Senator Bond-believe me, you've been mentioned a number of times when you were not here, because we've gone over and over the questions you posed-but I think you certainly need to have an opportunity to ask those questions and get the answers. Senator DAmato, you're controlling the time Senator DAmATo. I'm going to try to move as quickly as I can, in the interest of time, on behalf of the witness. There are no trick 178 questions here. This has all come from statements you've made so, it's basically just going over material. On February 1, 1994, your appointment record shows, and you've testified, at 10 a.m. you had a meeting. Mr. Levy, Mr. Newman, and Mr. Altman were there, maybe some other people, and that was followed up by a meeting with Secretary Bentsen. Could you describe what took place at that first meeting and the second meet- ing? III try to help. You testified that Secretary Alt an stated he the In would recuse himself and then you went into second meeting. Does that help you? Ms. HANSON. Yes, sir. Senator DAMATO. I am trying to be helpful. Ms. HANSON. Thank you. I appreciate that. What I recall of the meeting at 10 a.m., there was a meeting in Mr. Altman's office. Mr. Newman Frank Newman, was there. Mr. Levy-and there was a discussion of recusal. What I recall of the conversation was a discussion of what a CEO, in a private corporation, would do if faced with a similar situation where there was a claim, or a possible claim, against a friend of the CEO and how it would be handled. There was a discussion. Mr. Newman, I recall, said that it would go to a special committee or the board. There was a discussion as to whether it would come back to the CEO, if the CEO had the opportunity to bear about it before Senator DAMATO. Was the subject, that Mr. Altman was going to recuse himself, discussed? Ms. HANSON. I don't recall that statement being made in that meeting or bow the meeting ended. Senator DAMATO. You came to the second meeting, and you were rather specific there, at 12:30 p.m. with the Secretary, and let me read what you said. Do you recall what you said? Ms. HANSON. It was 12:45 p.m., if I recall, and this is a meeting with the Secretary, Mr. Altman, and me? Senator DAmATO. Yes. Ms. HANsON. I believe, in my testimony, I testified that there was a discussion on the statute of limitations issue. Mr. Altman said that he had decided be would recuse himself, that I had recommended be do so, and that be thought there would be a great deal of political clamor and criticism as to whether or not he could be impartial. The Secretary asked who would decide --- who would be the decisionmakers and asked a little bit about Ellen Kulka and Jack Ryan. He told Mr. Altman that it sounded like the right decision.
Africa II - White Bearded Wildebeest
Whitebearded wildebeest herding harem
Africa II - Zebra
Zebra tail patterns