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Cardinal Spellman
Francis Cardinal Spellman, 78, dies of a sudden stroke. As Vicar General of the U.S. Armed Forces, he spent Christmas with the troops for the past 16 years. All 7 American Cardinals will attend his funeral. Pope Paul and world leaders express their sympathy. Saint Patrick's Cathedral, New York, NY Francis Cardinal Spellman is shown being ordained a cardinal in 1946. He slowly walks with the assistance of clergymen. American troops sit in attendance at mass during Christmas. Saint Patrick's Cathedral is shown in mourning. A mass is given in his tribute and people light Thought Candles.
Fire
The Main Mail-Exchange Building in Melbourne, Australia, is swept by fire. Two thousand employees flee the burning building, two are rescued from the roof. A million dollars in damage is done by the flames. Thick columns of black smoke rise from a burning building. A convertible fire truck cruises down the street with a fireman crowed inside. Flames and smoke pour from heat smashed windows. A crowd watches as a man runs the length of the building's roofline escaping sheer death. A massive crowd gathers near a parking lot to watch the show. A firefighter shoots water into a window from the extended ladder of a hook and ladder truck.
July 29, 1994 - Part 4
(15:35:15) They ask: "Did you talk about your theories of the case or how you felt the investigation was going." You said: "Yes." They asked: "Did the White House get mentioned in those conversations? You answered: "Yes," Next they questioned: 'Vill you tell me a little bit about them? How it bad come up, what kind of context?" Your answer was: "This is from memory, but I know that Captain Hume was very upset. The White House was stonewalling us in our investigation and getting access to the office. They went up there, were not allowed in, were not treated very nicely, and they were very upset. They bad to go up a second time before the things were put together and they were allowed to go in there. After that time, I was not there. I only heard what people told me." Does that reflect what you told the questioner in the deposition? Mr. ROLLA. That is correct. I was not there either time because this was all from memory, office talk. Senator BOND. Then, again, referring to the stonewalling and on page 156, the question is asked: "Did you ever talk in detail with Captain Hume about what went on at the notification to tell him some of those concerns that you had?" You answered: "Yes. We talked about them, that we were stonewalled, we were stonewalled there. People basically, we bad a few questions here and there of certain people but we were stonewalled." Does that reflect your memory of the situation? 81 Mr. ROLLA. The transcript does not read as good as it sounded when I said it. [Laughter.] Senator BOND. Would you like to state it in your own words? maybe, I am sure that it was The CHAIRMAN. That happens to us too. Senator BOND. Would you express your views for the Committee? Mr. ROLLA. Of course, you are reading parts of statements that were much longer. Talking about the death notification, You are speaking of the death notification? Senator BOND. Yes. Mr. ROLLA. OK Senator BONI). And the investigation that, went on. Mr. ROLLA. As far as the death notifi cation, it was not the situation we would normally have liked to have had, There were too many people there, too many people met us at the door. It was not the right atmosphere in which to make a notification in which to ask questions after a period of grieving. There were too many people there, and we did not have an opportunity to question the family or friends the way we would have liked to. Senator BOND. It was not just with the investigation at the time Of notification? You had problems with getting access to the papers? Is that correct? The papers of Mr. Foster and other personal effects? The CHAIRMAN. Let me just sound a caution here because the question of the papers and the handling of the papers is an issue that Mr. Fiske is still investigating, and be 'has written to us and asked us to not move into that subject because he is not finished with it. And so I think we have got to be very careful about the degree to which we inadvertently cross into that zone. Senator BOND, I gather there was an effort, by you to find if there was a suicide note or any other information that might bear upon the cause of death while you were at the Foster home? Mr. ROLLA. Yes. Senator BOND. Did you have any luck with it, were you able to carry that out? Mr. ROLLA. We were there for a total of almost an hour, I be- And it seems like a long time, but with all that was going on, it was not very long. We did not have the-we had opportunity to ask certain questions, but not anything at length and we were told, asked was there anything, did you see this forthcoming, was there anything different about him, has be been depressed, and all the answers were no. Senator BOND. But your testimony in the deposition was that you were stonewalled? Mr- ROLLA, And by that, I mean that everybody said, Do, they knew nothing about his depression or anything when It later comes Out that he was depressed and they were aware of it, but at the time, no one really spoke to us or gave us any Senator BOND. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I think this witness, just in the limited area, has given us an idea of some of the difficulties of the investigation and we will be getting into the question, of access to the White House papers later on. 82 I think that this all leads up to the fact that this phase of the investigation by Mr. Fiske is another very important one that we will have to explore at a 'later date. I thank the witnesses. The CHAIRMAN. And we will do so. Senator Sarbanes, you are next in line. Senator SARBANES. Mr. Chairman, I just returned, and I would like to defer. I will defer to a colleague The CHAIRMAN, Would you yield to me, then, briefly? Senator SARBANES. I will pick up my round later. The CHAIRMAN. Just would you yield a couple of minutes of your time to me, then? Senator SARBANES. Certainly.
Hawaii
July 29, 1994 - Part 4
(15:40:46) The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Rolla, I appreciate the job you do and the professionalism, and so I do not want to be misunderstood when I say this. But I was struck by your description of going to the Foster home, to give the notice, I fake it, and to try to do an initial questioning and investigation. You found a lot of people, and I gather a somewhat chaotic scene. I am just trying to imagine what it would be like, and you correct me if I am wrong in the impression that I took, but I cannot imagine anything else, if you just take the case facts. The family finds out that the husband in the family, the father in the family has just died by suicide, everybody's in a state of shock and grief and other people are coming to console them and so forth. It seems to me, you have a job to do and I respect that, and I want you to be able to do it, bat it seems to me that if you show up at a scene like that, that is probably what you are going to find in most instances, isn't it? Mr. ROLLA. Well, let me explain to you. The only people at the house were Mrs. Foster and the daughter, Lisa. The CHAIRMAN. Probably the two most important people in his life. Mr. ROLLA. Right. And that would have been ideal circumstances to make a death notification, But we got a call from our field com- mander to call David Watkins, a White House person. He's a personal friends of Mr. Foster. His wife had just played tennis with Mrs. Foster that afternoon, and it is not uncommon on to bring a close family friend along 'for a notification for comfort and support. So, of course, we agreed and we went to Mr. Watkins' house to pick him up and his wife followed us over there. After we're parking the car, we're notified that both Mr. Foster's sisters and some other people were coming over there, could we wait for them. I said, no, I do not want to wait for them. The police knocking at your door at night- when you are missing a loved one for a while is bad enough. To have a trail of people outside is a circus atmosphere. I asked them to wait outside, but there were still 5 other people, besides the 4, myself and Investigator Braun, Mr. and Mrs. Watkins, 4 or 5 other people waiting on the landing, which they could see, and when they opened the door, they all came in. It was not ideal circumstances, It was beyond our control at that point, and the grieving and everything else, you are right, is perfectly normal. 83 The CHAIRMAN. I guess I am just trying to imagine the scene and I appreciate your describing it . I think to imagine Mr. Foster's sister arriving in a state of Sock and grief, and the others, I think in many families, that is exactly what would take place. I mean, You would suddenly have everyone coming to console the family and try to find out what happened in a state of shock, and I guess what I am saying is I realize that makes it harder for you to go in and be able to talk to the family and do what you need to do. But I think under conditions like this, it is very understandable to me that that would happen, and I can see why you might view it one way, and they would view it a different way. That is my point. You can see that, I am sure, Mr. ROLLA. I see it is very understandable. My only point that ever made was that when we asked was he depressed or certain questions, did they see this coming, that everything was a negative answer. And it comes out that he was and certain people in the family knew about it, and we just did not get much cooperation. Under the circumstances, you are right, it is a hard circumstances, The CHAIRMAN. Senator D'Amato Senator DAMATO. Senator Mack. The CHAiRmAN. Senator Mack, do you want to be recognized? Senator MACK. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am going to continue along the line of questioning that the Chairman was pursuing with respect to what you experienced at the home. In looking through the materials that you have prepared for us, there is an incident that occurred, Ms. Braun, involving you. You were engaged in carrying out your responsibilities under a very difficult set of circumstances.
Gals Hit the Silk: Soviet Women Display Parachute Skills
How are you going to keep "em in the kitchen after this??? Russian women are going in for the sport of parachuting in a big way. They start at 5,000 feet - but after test in height altitude chambers they take off for the stratosphere for five and six mile jumps. Lady, it's a long way down!! Sky divers free falling, they finely open their shoots and they land exactly on the X. Woman parachutist coming down from the sky one after another and they all hit the mark. One woman comes within inches of hitting her bulls eye. The women are standing in a line without their parachute gear, camera pans the line of pretty women. The women parachutist going into pressure chamber. Women sitting in the pressure chamber with breathing apparatus covering their mouths. One of the women side profile. A technician looking into the window smiling at the ladies. Women embarking on to a plane wearing all their gear on. Women jumping out of the plane, some taking a long free fall. One of the women chutists taking off her mask.
July 29, 1994 - Part 4
(15:45:30) I doubt that any of us would want to find ourselves in a position like what you had to go through in trying to gain information at such an incredibly delicate time, but you were doing your job. And as I understand it, as you were interviewing Sheila Anthony, Webster Hubbell pushed you and effectively ended that interview. Is that correct? Ms. BRAUN. Yes. I was talking, I believe it was to Shelia An- It was one of the sisters, and I bad just basically started a conversation, trying to kind of build rapport to try to get information about Mr. Foster's state of mind prior to the suicide, and I virtually had just started the conversation when Webster Hubbell came up and moved me to the side with his arm, and then be took Sheila Anthony off the couch and into his arms, and walked away from me. co I do not know whether that was a function of grief, if be was comforting her or, I had not gotten far enough into a conversation to say, that be was trying to prevent me from getting information. her Senator MACK. I would suspect he probably was trying to comfort Justice her, which is a very understandable emotion. But is title at the Department, Associate Attorney General, says to me, he clearly understood what you were there to do. So, I am not questioning his motive. But let me ask you this question. Is this the first time that you have teamed up having to go make a notification? Mr. ROLLA. Together, yes. 84 Ms. BRAUN. Together, yes. Senator MACK, Individually, "have you -had to go to homes before to inform loved ones of a death in the family? Ms. BRAUN. I have done notifications before, both in person and over the telephone. This was John's first notification. Senator MACK. It was your first? Mr. ROLLA. This was my first death notification, yes. Senator MACK. Well, then let me just address my questions to you, Ms. Braun. I will tell you what my own feeling is, and then you tell me whether it might be accurate or not. I sense that when police officers come into someone's home, that there are two emotions that are being dealt with there. One is grief. The other one is who is in control, And I would think that in most circumstances, when police officers come into a home, there is a sense that the police officers have information they need to gather, and they are relatively in control of the situation. Is that a fair assessment? Ms. BRAUN. That is a fair assessment. Normally, of course, you are delivering a big blow to these people and you have to allow Some time for them to deal with the information that you have just given them. But after a period of time, they calm down and you can speak to them, and generally there's no problem in getting answers to questions. Senator MACK, I get the impression from the materials that we have looked through that both of you were kind of disregarded, pushed to the side, and that your ability to carry out your responsibilities was not given much consideration by the people in that house. Ms. BRAUN, I am not going to disagree with you, Senator. I kind of feel like we were being very understanding, maybe too understanding, and we did not overly assert ourselves either. The CHAIRMAN. Ms. Braun, would you pull the mike just a little bit closer. I just want to make sure that everyone has a chance to hear you. Thank you. Senator MACK. Mr. Rolla, did you have any thoughts about what you saw happen to Ms. Braun? Mr. ROLLA. No, I did not see it. She told me about U. Senator MACK, What was your reaction to it? Mr. ROLLA. Well, it was rude. Cheryl was angry because it was rude. Our action was that we were there and under the circumstances people act differently when you tell them bad news. And, you are right, the police are the good guys but we're basically intruders that brought terrible news, tragic news into your home. That is why I said it would be better without all the other people there, because people would calm down and they'd look to us for comfort, and we could -et some information At that point, they had enough other people there for comfort. There were close friends, relatives, and they did not need us, and they did not really want to deal with us or the situation at the time. That is what my feeling was.
Air Pollution
The newest thing in air pollution control devices is installed in the incinerator of Saint Vincent's Hospital in New York. It comes with a heat and smoke-sensing attachment which helps reduce fly ash and soot in burned garbage. Officials hail the move as a step toward cleaner city air. A doctor and a nun are shown an air pollution device. Camera pans down to an incinerator lit burning a very hot fire. Housekeepers sweep trash into the incinerator. Someone opens a small door, so you can see the compressed ash and soot from the garbage that has been burned. ECU Incinerator burns garbage.
Malaysia Festival
In Malaysia, the nation's biggest Hindu religious festival takes place. Some celebrators carry heavy wooden structures to atone for past sins. The festival crowd of half-a-million people includes tourists from multi-racial nations. Throngs gather for the biggest Hindu religious festival in Malaysia. Men dance in the street carrying objects made of bamboo with flowers. CU Men in the parade have mouth shields over their mouths. High Angle Shot crowds of Hindu people celebrate the festival.
Track Records
Track records tumble in one record breaking weekend. Neal Steinhauer shatters his previous shot-put record with a throw of sixty-seven feet, ten inches. Bob Seagren pole vaults seventeen feet, two inches, setting a new world record. Kerry O'Brien of Australia sets a second meet record within 48 hours running in the fastest two-mile ever in Boston. World shot-put champion, Neal Steinhauer with his own special technique throws a shot-put setting a new record. Bob Seagren runs with his pole vault in spite of a pulled muscle. On his second attempt he sets a new world record 17ft 2in. The enthusiastic sports crowd makes a standing ovation. Australian distance runner, Kerry O'Brien joins in the record setting theme of the day. He scores category 8.38 and 4/10 second on an indoor 2-mile run.
Yanks Freed: German Reds, Czechs Release Prisoners
A total of five Americans are released after being held prisoners in both Communist East Germany and Czechoslovakia. The West Berlin four, includes a girl, are released after serving one year on charges of helping East Germans flee to the west. In New York, Vladimir Kazan-Komarek is freed from prison in Prague after diplomatic moves. He was sentenced to eight years on subversion charges. Four men and a woman sit at a table with microphones. CU Fredrick Matthews of Elmwood, Pennsylvania. CU Moses Reese Herrin of Akron, Ohio. CU Mary Helen Battle of Oak Ridge, Tennessee and William Wyatt Lovett of San Francisco, California. They were all prisoners for more than a year. CU Czech-born American travel agent Vladimir Kazan-Komarek is greeted by his wife after disembarking a plane. He is overjoyed to have his freedom. ECU Vladimir kissing his wife. CU of their five children 3 boys and 2 girls. They sit together in a room as one big happy family. Vladimir kisses his son on the cheek.
Mekong Delta
South Vietnamese troops kill 54 Vietcong guerrillas in brief but bloody fighting in the Mekong delta. Thick, heavy jungle makes tough going for the troops and provides perfect cover for VC snipers and mines. Meanwhile, the Pentagon announces total American causalities as over 50 thousand with the loss of 1,750 aircrafts. US Marines disembark from a marine duct, running through knee deep water onto the shore. Marines sinking knee deep into mud on their way to the solid ground. CU a Marine steadily making his way up an incline holding his assault rifle in one hand and steadies himself on the muddy wet ground with the other. CU Rear shot of two Marines making their way through the Mekong Delta. CU Marine making his way through the jungle. CU Marines making their way through a very thick and wet jungle. Low Angle Shots Marines making their way through the jungle, walking over fallen trees, jumping down onto the ground. CUS Marine troop leaders review their plans. The Mekong delta region encompasses a huge portion of southeastern Vietnam, and the size of the area covered by water depends on the season. That is the reason why the Marines are walking through so much water and mud.
Midwest Snow
Midwesterners are buried when the second major snowstorm hits within a week. It brings the total snowfall close to three feet. In Chicago, warned hours in advance, motorists and pedestrians accept it with good humor. Indiana, meanwhile, reports six deaths due to the storm. Chicago Blizzard of 1967. Michigan Avenue is busy with traffic and pedestrians in the winter. People walking on Michigan Avenue in the snow. CU either the people are waiting for a light to change so they can cross the street or their waiting for a CTA bus to come at a bus stop. Two girls look up to the sky. High Angle shot of traffic gridlock. CU ladies bundled up, waiting for a CTA bus or a traffic light to change. High Angle Shot more traffic gridlock. CU a pretty young blond all bundled up. People walking beneath the El tracks. Its evening time and people are getting off of work on their way home. A truck making its way down the outer drive early in the foggy morning. Snow keeps falling blanketing Chicago in snow. In Indiana, traffic is close to a standstill on the Frank Borman Expressway. It s the east west highway to Indiana (I-80). CU overturned truck. CU two men digging out the trailer of the truck. MS snow covered street in Indiana, cars are buried by the snow. POV looking out the windshield, car driving down a snow covered street.
Mended Leg
In Boston, an 18 year old boy recovers the use of his left leg, after it was severed in an auto accident. Six doctors rejoined the leg in a five hour operation. They said Jan Dangora s youth, strength and basic health gave him a big edge toward recovering the use of his limb. Exterior of Boston City Hospital. Jan Dangora lies in a hospital bed being consulted by his attending physician. His left foot is sticking out from beneath the blanket. Dangora sits in a wheelchair holding a crutch. His left leg is propped up and he is wiggling his toes. Jan walks with the aid of crutches. His mother gives him a hug. A happy ending to a tragic accident.
Nazi Trial WW II War Crimes
Three former Nazis stand trial in Munich for the mass murder of Dutch Jews including Anne Frank. Former S.S. officers Wilhelm Harster and Wilheim Zoepf and Secretary Gertrud Slottke are accused of mass deportation to death camps of thousands of Dutch Jews. Downtown Munich, people are stopping and reading protest signs. CU A poster/ picture of Dr. Edith Stein at the bottom it reads Harster Terrors". Interior scene of a court house. CU Wilhelm Harster. CU Wilhelm Zoepf. CU Gertrud Slottke. CU Prosecutor Robert Kempner speaking with another man who turns out to be a former Auschwitz prisoner. He pulls up his suit jacket sleeve exposing his tattooed prison camp ID number. High Angle shot three judges standing behind a long table. Exterior shot courthouse in Munich.
July 29, 1994 - Part 4
(15:50:53) Senator Mack Let me go to the scene at the park because what I have implied here, with Ms. Braun, is that there was a loss of control at the house. Did you have a sense that you had lost control at the scene? 85 Ms. BRAUN. At the scene, no. Mr. ROLLA. No, no. Senator MACK. How about at the house? Mr. ROLLA. Control was not a factor. Going in to make the death notification we would like to do it our way. yeah, I guess if you want to call it control or whatever, we bad a certain way we would have liked to do it, but all those people showed up and, it was a terrible notification, terrible grief, and everything else going on. Yes, at that point we waited, that is why we were there so long, we waited until things calmed down and people seperated and we started to talk to certain people as much as we could, pretty much in bits and pieces. Senator MACK. Let me just take you to the issue that we discussed this morning, a pager. Mr. ROLLA. Please, please. Senator MACK. I am concerned about the pager being turned over to the White House, Mr. ROLLA. I am aware of that. Senator MACK. Is that normal procedure? Mr, ROLLA. Well, let me explain it to you. You go on the scene, you observe the facts that are there, and the facts that are there was that this was an apparent suicide. Not one fact then or has ever come forward since then to this day to say it was anything other, anything sinister, anything other than a suicide. With that in mind, a pager, the White House credentials on the pager were recorded, at least the pager was. I do not remember if I recorded the White House credentials because obviously I am going to give them back to the Secret Service. They may have been xeroxed. The pager brand was recorded, the name brand, the serial number was recorded, the pager was turned off. As far as any information on the pager, be could have turned it off at any time, and if anybody paged him while it was off, that does not tell me anything. If they paged him after be killed himself, it does not tell me anything. It does not tell me what time he turned it off because he could have had his last page 20 to 30 minutes before be turned it off, If it turned out something crazy, that it was a homicide, the FBI could have taken my report and the serial number to the pager company and subpoenaed the pager records and got all the calls that were paged to him that date. We turned it over to the Secret Service, yes, any property that belongs to the White House United States Government, the credentials and the pager, a matter of security, yes, it is proper procedure. I called them up, they wanted to come down and get it, and I turned it over to them after I recorded the information that I needed to get from it. I bad no further use for it, because there was nothing to say that this was anything other than a suicide. Senator MACK. So it is your opinion, then, when you gave up this pager that it was really unimportant? Mr. ROLLA. Right. At that time, I had the information I needed that if something important came up, the pager records could be 86 subpoenaed. Again, the pager was turned off. I did not believe there was anything on there. I have a pager, I turn it off, there's nothing, there's no memory on my pager. You know, possibly some pagers have memories. I did, not think of it, to be honest, and why, again this was a suicide investigation. What it could tell me we found out. Of course, family members and many other people were looking for him, he was a high White House official, they were paging him. My feeling was that was part of his suicide note. He turned his pager off. He was not going to receive any more messages, No, at that time I did not need it, and if I did need it, I could subpoena the records. The CHAiRmAN. Thank you. Senator Kerry,
Whitewater Hearings August 1, 1994 - Part 1
(10:45:43) The RTC is also cooperating fully with Special Counsel Fiske, the House Banking Committee, the Treasury Office of Inspector General, the RTC Office of Inspector General, the General Accounting Office, and the Office of Government Ethics in their investigation of various aspects of this matter. During my deposition before Counsel for this Committee and before Special Counsel Fiske, I have been asked a number of questions which generally fell into the following categories: No. I. how I came to be selected for this job; No 2 my authority as Deputy CEO, which was my position when most of the events that are the subject of this hearing occurred; No. 3, my relationship with Mr. Altman and the Administration; No. 4 my knowledge of and/or participation in the White House Treasury contacts; No. 5 , whether I was ever instructed or pressured by the TreasurY or the White House to influence the investigation or the outcome Of the investigation into Madison Guaranty Savings & Loan; and 4 No. 6, whether I have done anything to impede or change the results of the RTC's investigation. For example, did I tell the RTC Staff that I preferred a finding that Whitewater did not cause a loss to Madison? I will cover for the record, briefly, my summary of the answers to these questions. First of all, concerning how I was selected for this job, I can only report what I know. I received a hone call in December 1993, while I was in Atlanta with the OTS, from Frank Newman, Under Secretary of the Treasury, whom I had known professionally when he was with Bank of America and I was at the Federal Reserve. Mr. Newman's call came not long after the nomination of Mr. Stanley Tate, as CEO, had been withdrawn, and he asked if I would consider a temporary assignment at the RTC, I traveled to Washington for two interviews, one with Mr. Altman and one with Secretary Bentsen. Those interviews were the first time I had met either of those gentlemen, either Mr. Altman or Secretary Bentsen. I don't believe the subject of Madison Guaranty came up during the course of those interviews, as most of the discussions dealt with morale problems at the RTC and what could be done about them. At those interviews, I agreed to serve as Deputy CEO of the RTC. The position of Deputy CEO is a statutory one enacted in the RTC Completion Act. There was no Deputy CEO before me and, as a result, the existing RTC organizational structure and delegations of authority did not provide for a Deputy CEO when I arrived. In fact, some of the senior officials of the corporation, by law, were required to report directly to the CEO, The lack of clear authority in the RTC's corporate structure, together with the temporary the fact that the Deputy CEO, created a very challenging nature of my appointment Secretary of the Treasury remained environment in which to assume operating responsibility. Obviously, much of my time in the early days was spent trying to gain an understanding and some control over an organization that is surprisingly decentralized with functional units operating independently of each other. The precise decisionmaking responsibility is not only difficult to explain under such circumstances, but my observation is that it is often not clear to those working at the RTC as well. During my tenure as Deputy CEO, I reported directly to Mr. Altman, who was the Interim CEO. It should be noted that Mr. Altman essentially withdrew from active RTC management following the February 24, 1994, Senate Banking Committee's RTC Semiannual Oversight Board bearing, some 7 weeks after my arrival. During the period preceding the hearing, regular meetings were scheduled to discuss RTC matters. But due to Mr. Altman's busy schedule, many of these meetings never took place.
July 29, 1994 - Part 4
(15:55:34) Senator KERRY. Officer Rolla, you were asked earlier about this question of moving up the autopsy. It is agreed that the autopsy was moved up by a day, Isthat correct, doctor? Dr. BEYER. Well, as soon as I heard about the case, I had the body transported over, and we make every effort to do an autopsy within less than 24 hours if possible. Therefore, once I could get the body over, we proceeded with the autopsy. Senator KERRY. But did you receive a message, doctor, asking you to try to proceed faster than normal? Dr. BEYER. No, sir. Senator KERRY. It is my understanding that Major Hines, who is sitting behind you but not at the table, that his recollection is different, and that he believes that the request to move it up was in order to facilitate the transfer of the body to Arkansas. Is that accurate, Mr. Rolla? Do you remember that, Ms. Braun? Ms. BRAUN. That was my understanding, when we left that morning, the autopsy was set for the day after the 22nd, and then I found out later on in the day that it had gotten moved up and that they did the post on the 21st. Senator KERRY. And it was your understanding that that was in order to facilitate the transfer of the remains to Arkansas? Ms. BRAUN. Yes, that is my recollection, Senator KERRY. Now, doctor, whether or not there was any request to move the time of the autopsy up, this would obviously call into question whether or not there was any reason for so doing. And I ask you, sir, whether or not, in the course of any of the 20,000 autopsies you have performed, you have ever altered, changed, or adjusted the outcome of your autopsy to fit anybody's requirements or schedule? Dr. BEYER. Not anybody else's schedule to me. We may alter it to fit our own schedule. Senator KERRY. I understand that, but have you altered the findings, what you determined in the course of autopsy, did you change that or alter any finding, as a consequence of anything anyone asked you to do in this case? Dr. BEYER. No, sir. Senator KERRY. Have you ever done that in any case? Dr. BEYER. No, sir. 87 Senator KERRY. So irrespective of the timing, you are saying to us that the findings with respect to this autopsy are true and accurate and as you found them to be at the time. Is that correct? Dr. BEYER. That is correct. Senator KERRY. Now, irrespective of what you learned that night when you went to the Foster's house, did either you, Mr. Rolla, or you Ms. Braun, find that anything that you subsequently learned from the family that you could not learn that very night, did that alter, in any way, the perceptions or conclusions you drew at the scene at Fort Marcy? Mr. ROLLA. I do not believe either one of us had any access to the family after that night. Other investigators and Captain Hume may have. Senator KERRY. But you learned things afterwards? Mr, ROLLA. Right. Like I said, nothing from the day, from that scene until today has ever altered my opinion that It is a suicide. Ms. BRAUN. That goes for myself also. When I went to the scene, observed the scene, and when I left, as far as I was concerned, I was dealing with a suicide and there was nothing to show me anything different. Senator KERRY. There are really three parts to the involvement here of the Park Police, One is at the scene, two is at the Foster house, and three is at the White House. You were not present at the White House, correct? Ms. BRAUN. I was never involved. Senator KERRY. So you cannot testify to any of that? Ms. BRAUN. No. Senator KERRY. You can testify as to your presence at the Foster house and there you used the word "stonewalled," and I want to be ' absolutely clear when the word, stonewalled, comes up that were clear about what we're talking about. Senator ROTH. MT. Chairman, could we ask the witnesses to speak into the microphones, please? The CHAIRMAN. Yes. These microphones aren't the strongest, and I think, Ms. Braun's trying to do that, Maybe if you tip it just a little bit, that will help. Those will bend. You just have to push them a little bit, senator KERRY. Looking at your deposition, Mr. Rolla, where you were asked previously about your presence there, you used the word "stonewalled," you were referring exclusively to family members who at that time were distraught. Is that correct? Air. ROLLA. That is correct. Senator KERRY, But no official or no one at the White House stonewalled you at that point in time. Is that accurate? Mr. ROLLA. That is very accurate. Senator KERRY, is that correct, Ms. Braun? Ms. BRAUN. Yes, I would say that is accurate. Senator KERRY. So your perception of stonewalling is on]), as to distraught family members 1 hour after you had been at the scene of the suicide? Mr. ROLLA. My meaning of stonewalling is that, yes, right. I guess it sounds worse than I meant it. Yes, we were stonewalled and again, I explain that by the fact that they had information 88 about depression, different things, and we were given no information Senator KERRY. Now, no one at any time whatsoever pressured you into what you should put into your report, did they? Mr. ROLLA. No. Senator KERRY. Ms. Braun? Ms. BRAUN. No.
Helicopter
A giant "Skycrane" helicopter lifts a 5-ton section of ski-lodge, transporting it from trailer truck to mountainside foundation in a matter of minutes. It's one of the biggest air lifts of its kind. A 16-wheeler pulls into a parking lot with a big load. A helicopter hovers above it and lowers a hook down. The helicopter has had its passenger compartment removed to minimize its weight, but maximize its lift. Lifting the cargo, a long rectangular unit that looks like a mobile home, the helicopter carries it over a tree line.
Tightrope
French tightrope-walker Henri Rochatein attempts a tightrope balancing endurance records, cramped on a wire 360 feet over a lake, where he plans to stay for two weeks! A French couple makes out before the macho stud leaves on a tightrope walk across a mountain's valley. Two laborers crank a wench keeping the rope taught. The long balancing pole tilts left and right as the walker's cute little slippers grip the rope with love. A load of supplies moves in front of him. A cameraman snaps pictures. An aerial view depicts the stud against the gay French countryside.
July 29, 1994 - Part 4
(16:01:05) Senator KERRY. No one at any time suggested to you that you should find certain things or alter any conclusions you had drawn, did they? Mr. ROLLA. No. Ms. BRAUN. No, sir. Senator KERRY. And nothing that you have learned since, either through the Fiske investigation or through the FBI investigation, has altered one bit your early conclusion that this was a suicide? Is that accurate? Ms. BRAUN. That is accurate. It is confirmed. Senator KERRY, Thank you. The CHAIRMAN. Is that true for you, Mr. Rolla? Mr. ROLLA. Same for me. The CHAIRMAN. Very good. Senator Bennett. Senator BENNETT. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Rolla, I would like to go along the same path that Senator Bond did and take you through some of the statements you made during your deposition to get them on the record here. So I will read to you a statement from your deposition, giving you a page number, and ask if that is still your present understanding. This is at the scene. You are asking questions of official people, and your answer is: "No, after again, I did not know who he was, even being in the White House, I was not overly concerned. Like I said, a million people work in the White House, but until such time as it started picking up all these people, trail of people following us to the house, I realized this guy is fairly important. And when the President of the United States walked in, then it dawned on me. I realized the White House is going to do whatever they want to do." Is that pretty much what happened as you went through that circumstance, thinking Foster was just another White House staffer and then Mr. ROLLA. Well, obviously, I am not very politically savvy. I did not know who he was. He bad a White House pager and a White House I.D. and many people work at the White House have Arkansas tags. A lot of people came from Arkansas with the President. You are right, I did not know, and until an entourage started arriving at the house, and we started Finding out a little bit more, that Mr. Foster was more than a staffer or just an employee of the White House, a little higher official. And then, I guess I was dumbfounded when the President of the United States walked in, and I realized, oops. Senator BENNETT. Who would not be? I mean, I am not criticizing you. 89 Mr. ROLLA. I have worked Presidential detail and I have been around, but when he walked in the house, I realized that obviously this was a higher White House official and a friend, Senator BENNETT. And that is when you realized the White House was going to do whatever they wanted to do in your phrase now? Mr. ROLLA. Wait. Senator BENNETT. This has to do with the autopsy, Mr. ROLLA. No, you are talking about the autopsy, about them moving up. The CHAIRMAN. Senator Bennett, I think he, wanted to make a comment to clear up a misperception and I think he should have the chance to do that. Senator BENNETT. OK, fine. Mr. ROLLA. I just wanted him to clarify. I was not sure to what question I made that statement, that the White House can do whatever they want. I did say, yes, right as far as the autopsy was concerned, meaning if the White House wanted that autopsy moved up a day, they were going to get it. And people Keep looking at me, well, why? It is the White House, it is the President of the United States, the White House, do people find that odd? The CHAiRmAN. No, I do not find it odd. Mr. ROLLA. You know, they want something, they get it. [Laughter.] I mean, that is not--I do not find that odd. Senator BENNETT. Neither do I. Mr. ROLLA. I am sorry, I did not mean to be funny or- Senator BENNETT. OK, then I'll go on to page 135, you are asked the question: "Did you feel that the presence of White House or Government people made your investigation more difficult?" This is a slightly different question than the first one. And this was your answer. "I feel this way. Mr. Watkins and his wife, who played tennis with her earlier that day, they were obviously friends of the family. I had no problem with that. I feel too many other people came in there. I do not know who was who, but I later found out Web Hubbell, he spent the whole time on the phone like there were official things going on there. It made my job difficult because we were not given access as fully as we would have liked with Mrs. Foster." Is that an accurate statement?
United Nations
"The UN Security Council condemns the renewed fighting in the Middle East, but refrains from placing blame. Russia wanted Israel held responsible. U.S. Ambassador Goldberg urges prompt action toward a final Middle East settlement." High angle LSs United Nations Security Council in session, council members sitting at circular table; zoom in and pan as delegates raise hands in vote.
Preparations for Coronation of Shah of Iran
"The city of Tehran prepares for the long-awaited Coronation of the Shah of Iran and his Empress. Decorations, flags, lights all add to the excitement and anticipation. For 26 years the Shah delayed his coronation until he produced an heir and strengthened his tiny nation's economy." Panning TLS city streets of Tehran decorated for the coronation. TLS pedestrians walking along a sidewalk decorated with flags. Family pictures of the royal family: Shah of Iran Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, Empress Faraj Pahlavi & Crown Prince Reza. 3/4 view TLS Golestan Palace. MS small Iranian flags hanging over sidewalk. TLS/MSs massive reproduction of the emperor's crown outside building. TLSs another reproduction of Shah's crown, this one made of lightbulbs, lit up at night.
Marine Hero
"Marine Major Howard Lee is awarded the nation's highest military decoration, the Medal of Honor, for heroism in Vietnam. His 3-year old son, Michael contently rests on the floor!" LS lawn of the White House cast in a light haze. MS President LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON (LBJ) presenting USN Major Howard Lee with the Medal of Honor. MSs Ms. Lee, son & daughter in attendance. MS cute young boy sprawled on floor during ceremony; tilt up to Mr. & Mrs. Lee, neither looking very happy.