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July 29, 1994 - Part 3
(13:20:30) Mr. MONROE. As I said before, Senator, we cannot conclusively rule out that Whitewater could have played some role, What we can say right now is that we uncovered no evidence that during this period of time that Mr. Foster raised any concern regarding that particular issue. Senator DODD. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, Senator Dodd. Senator Gramm. Senator GRAMM. Mr. Chairman, let me first thank our witnesses, You guys have a very tough job. I'm glad you do it and it's obvious to me you do it well and I think the whole country is the beneficiary. I think the subject matter you're covering is one that we are all confident that basically a good job was done in. Mr. Chairman, I just want to take my time to respond to several comments that were made earlier about why are we here, why are we on this subject, and what is wrong with this process that we're talking about the death of a human being in very tragic circumstances. I would like to remind my colleagues that we are here as a result of a resolution by Senator Mitchell that every Member of the Republican Party in the Senate voted against, We're here as a result of the scoping of this bearing in such a way that this is one. of only three areas that we're allowed to look at. It is not an area that I am the least bit interested in. Now, I want to ask the next panel at some point, or I'm confident my colleagues who are more confident than I am will do it, I want to ask them whether or not they were interfered with in their investigation. That's the only relevant point, it seems to me in this whole subject matter, that we ought to be looking at. Second, I'd like to say that I'm not aware that our side of the aisle had anything to do with establishing what was going to come the first, I think people could argue on the other side of Capitol that the decision to bring the White House Counsel, who was not even on the scene when most of these things that we're supposed to be looking at occurred, to testify first, at least started the hearing with a very high degree of boredom and perhaps that was the objective. I don't think that was the case here ,but the point I want to make is we're not on this subject because anybody on this side of the aisle said we should be on this subject, We're on this subject because it is one of three areas we're limited to by a resolution that no one on this side of the aisle voted for and I in not aware that anybody on this side of the aisle said, let's talk about this subject matter first. I think it is clear from the opening statements that were made that this is not an area of any real interest to this Committee. And I certainly am sensitive, as my colleagues on the other side of the aisle and some on to this side of the aisle have expressed, to the sensitivity of this issue for the human beings that were involved. I just thought, Mr. Chairman, it was important to make this point. The CHAIRmAN. Senator Sasser. Senator SASSER. Mr. Chairman, I think the original D'Amato amendment, number 1775, states on page 2 the Park Police investigation into the death of Vince Foster. Now, perhaps our friends on the other side of the aisle didn't vote for this particular resolution under which this Committee is being guided today, but to say that our friends on the other side of the aisle did not want to look into the death of Vince Foster imp] because they did not vote for the Majority Leader's resolution, I think A is a misleading statement because clearly in Senator D'Amato's resolution, be's looking into -the Park Police investigation into the death of Vince Foster. Now, 'that's a matter of record. Senator GRAMM. Mr. Chairman, if I can respond-and I'll be very -brief-the point is that the D'Amato resolution led us into the whole Whitewater/Madison area. It covered the whole waterfront, and were we operating under that resolution, we would be able to get into a wider variety of things that are of interest to us Senator SASSER. But, Mr. Chairman, the point is were we operat- ing under that resolution, we'd have the Park Police here today and these gentlemen here looking into Vince Foster-the cir- surrounding his death. Whereas Senator GRAMM. We might or we might not, Mr. Chairman. .-We're limited now to on ly three areas. My point is that our Demo- cratic colleagues who are asking what we are doing here, what a terrible thing it is that the resolution limits us to three areas, were the Majority that made the decision as to where we started this hearing process, That's my point. 58
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July 29, 1994 - Part 3
(13:25:43) The CHAIRMAN. Let me just add a bit of clarification here, and then I want to move along, because I want our witnesses to be able to respond to questions. The understanding between the two leaders was that the various elements of this whole subject would be dealt with in the order in which Mr. Fiske finished his work, and he bad undertaken that issue, and the other two issues in our charter here now and he anticipated being finished with those. And so we were tracking behind him n a way to review without interfering with that work. The simple fact is-and we have not stressed this today-that as Mr. Fiske completes other aspects of his work in the future, Senator Mitchell has made it very clear in his statements that there will be additional efforts that will go on at a later time to answer other questions that may arise outside the scope of this resolution. So it should be clearly understood that this is, as I understand it, the first phase of an examination of these issues, that is done in a way as not to interfere with Mr. Fiske's work. That's why one of the three issues we were given to look at, we've bad to put aside temporarily because Mr. Fiske found out that be wasn't going to be finished on time, so we've respected that fact. Senator D'AMATO. Mr. Chairman, if I might. In the spirit of not coming so far that we all look Silly) I think the response-and rightfully so- from some of the members on our side was aimed at answering, at least, an innuendo that somehow this side was responsible for dredging up and dragging up this horrible situation that we were going to call upon the family. It's not our intent. We're all bound by the resolution. There's no one here in particular who said we have to start this first, The question is whether or not ordinary procedures were followed. I think that's where most of us were going, whether there were standard procedures that were interfered with. I know that that's where a number of our Members are going, and I think that's important, but I think it pales in comparison to the other areas that all of my colleagues on both sides have addressed. I don't think we do ourselves any good by going over and trying to say one side is ghoulish and the other side isn't. That's not the case. The CHAIRMAN. May I ask for guidance, Members who are here on both sides, bow many desire to pose questions to this panel? I just want- Senator Kerry, Senator Campbell, and Senator; Moseley-Braun does. On this side, Senator Bond has had a first. turn, wants a second turn, Senator Mack, Senator Faircloth, and Senator Domenici. Senator BENNETT. I might. The CHAIRMAN. All right. Senator Mack. Senator MACK. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to direct my first question to Mr. Monroe, and it has to do with the issue of the pager and the telephone calls, I want to understand how you know that someone, either Mr. Nussbaum or someone in his office, attempted to page or to call Vincent Foster. Mr. MONROE, I'll defer to Bill on that. Mr. COLOMBELL. Senator, I tried to anticipate questions that you would ask. That was one area that I did not 'Anticipate, but I do 59 know that there were attempts to page him from Mr. Nussbaum and either from someone in his office Senator MACK. You think that information came from somebody volunteering it. Mr. COLOMBELL. That information was developed during our investigation. Senator MACK. Would it have been helpful to you to have bad the pager? Mr. COLOMBELL. I'm sorry, Senator. I didn't hear you. Senator MACK. Would it have been helpful to you to have bad the pager? I understand that some of these pagers have a memory device. If you had bad that pager, would that have been helpful to you? Mr. COLOMBELL. Initially I thought it would have been, but again, I'm going from recollection. I looked into that aspect of the investigation with technical lab people, with the FBI and there was some question as to whether, if we tried to get the pager at this point in time, we could have retrieved any info. nNow' if we had it-I was not involved in this investigation back in
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July 29, 1994 - Part 3
(13:30:40) Senator MACK. I'm not trying to be critical about whether you had it or didn't have it. We have been told that the two of you, first of all, let me say I share Senator Gramm's-- Mr. COLOMBELL. If we had it, it could have been helpful to the investigation, yes. Senator MACK. What would you have done with it if you had it? Mr. COLOMBELL. I would have attempted to determine if there was an any other information contained in the pager that might have assisted us, in particular, in trying to determine Mr. Foster s activities from 1 until 5,30 p.m. on that Tuesday afternoon. Senator MACK. Is that because some pagers, in fact, do have a memory? You would have been able to tell who paged and who called him? Mr. COLOMBELL. I'm not qualified to answer that question. I would have to consult with folks in our FBI lab. Senator MACK. Why do you say it would have been helpful if you 'had the pager? Mr. COLOMBELL. I think I said it would have been helpful if we had the pager. Senator MACK. Why would it have been helpful if you had bad the pager? Mr. COLOMBELL. We could have retrieved the information. Senator MACK. I'm gathering that there are some pagers that would have information that would indicate there had been a call made and the number the call came from. I Mr. COLOMBELL. I think all pagers would have that information, Senator. Senator Mack A moment ago you were all asked the question about whether there were irregularities in the investigation and maybe we have different definitions as to what the term "irregularities" means, so let me pose a couple of thoughts to you all and get tour reaction to them. If this bad been an investigation that the Bureau bad jurisdiction over, would you have released the pager? Mr. MONROE. Let me answer the first question, Senator. The first question is whether or not, in our perspective, the U.S. Park 60 Police engaged in any significant irregularities and our response was not to our knowledge. That was the first thing, was it a signifi. cant irregularity? I'm not aware of, personally aware of, what the Park Police position was in regards to releasing the pager. If we had jurisdiction over this case es we would have taken that pager and reviewed it, sir, but whether or not that's a significant irregularity, it could be a semantic one, and I'd rather not say that, sir. Senator MACK. I apologize for my tone. I don't mean to be aggressively coming at you. I'm really just looking for information, and I did state that I thought it's possible we will have differing definitions of "irregularities.' So the thrust of what I'm trying to et at here is, under normal procedures, would most investigating bodies have kept control of that pager ? Mr. MONROE. I would think so, Senator MACK. Let me ask you this: If the Federal Bureau of Investigation bad jurisdiction, how would you have gone about securing Vincent Foster's office? Would you have merely placed a call to the White House and asked that it be done, or would it have been Mr. MONROE. Senator, that's rather hypothetical, and number two, it's starting to get into an area which is still under investigation by Mr. Fiske and his staff, and that is follow up into the White House and I would respectfully ask that you consider that. The CHAiRmAN. We don't want to go into that area and I think your concern is appropriately stated and heard, and we need to respect that. Senator MACK. Do you think that the premature turnover of Vincent Foster's personal effects was unusual? Would have maintained control of his personal effects until they had been completely physically catalogued? Mr, MONROE. Not knowing all of the personal effects, we probably would have, from an FBI perspective. But I don't want to imply any irregularity on the part of the Park Police because the personal effects that we did obtain during this investig ation were of significant value to us in determining the nature of his death, so I would say that the clothing we bad was of measurable value in determining his cause of death, sir.
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The frustrating war in Viet Nam is not only a battle against the Vietcong but against another formidable enemy - the jungle! It is a series of minor battles, small pockets of action like the one pictured here. Loyal government troops flush the Red rebels from foxholes near Saigon and kill 82 with the loss of 8 government men. Aerial of Vietnam s jungle, you also see the front part of a machine barrel in the shot. Inside the cock pit of the helicopter. Helicopter landing and kicking up a lot of debris. South Vietnamese soldier pointing to a map. News media members taking notes. South Vietnamese soldiers checking out fox holes in the jungle. South Vietnamese setting up guns to shoot mortars. Confiscated Communist weapons. Wounded South Vietnamese soldiers being attended to. Aerial shot - Vietnam jungle.